For He Who Still Say 2013 Elections Weren't Rigged

[Simanova]

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The Independent Electoral and Boundaries Commission (IEBC) allowed the country go to the highly-contested polls, with full knowledge that it was using did not know the total number of voters.

The data indicates , and there was more than one final register,Slow process led to errors when the results were being tallied legal feeshttp://www.standardmedia.co.ke/article/2000135633/independent-electoral-and-boundaries-commission-knew-voters-register-was-faulty-ahead-of-last-elections/?pageNo=2

[Empedocles]

The register being faulty leading to the claim that the elections were rigged is quite silly.

I don't believe Uhuru achieved the 50%+1 and we should have gone for round 2. But that doesn't change the fact that Uhuru had over 830k more votes than RAO, something I seriously doubt RAO would have been able to bridge in round 2 (round 2 winner is a simple majority).

[Simanova]

Why could he not bridge that? And how do you know they were real votes?

For starters all those who had voted for Mudavadi were more likely to vote for Raila than Uhuru. Since the turnout in Jubilee areas was as high as 90% there were no more votes to come from there. Yet the turnout had been low in CORD areas which means there were more votes to fetch and they would have most likely flipped for Raila.

The register being faulty leading to the claim that the elections were rigged is quite silly.

I don't believe Uhuru achieved the 50%+1 and we should have gone for round 2. But that doesn't change the fact that Uhuru had over 830k more votes than RAO, something I seriously doubt RAO would have been able to bridge in round 2 (round 2 winner is a simple majority).

[Empedocles]

Why could he not bridge that? And how do you know they were real votes?

For starters all those who had voted for Mudavadi were more likely to vote for Raila than Uhuru. Since the turnout in Jubilee areas was as high as 90% there were no more votes to come from there. Yet the turnout had been low in CORD areas which means there were more votes to fetch and they would have most likely flipped for Raila.

The whole 2013 elections came down to a massive registration drive followed to voter turnout on D-day and Uhuruto really mobilized their respective strongholds to turnout and vote, something which was lacking in the opposition's stronghold.

Now add to that the lack of ID's due to Kajwang's stupidity and you see how CORD sabotaged the elections themselves. You see, going into the election in 2012, RAO was the leading candidate by far and laxity set in.

As Moonki keeps on writing, what's being done right now by CORD to learn from the mistakes of 2013 and change the dynamics for next year? Sadly, what I see is finger pointing and nonsense being spewed at rallies. You really think that's gonna work?

[veritas]

They introduced electronic voting systems and Kenyans abroad can vote. The machines were found to be faulty obviously rigged in favour of Jubilee. I could go into detail about TCP etc. but I won't.

Prior, Cord spearheaded voter registrations and managed to sign up a couple million voters. Mass efforts thwarted when the IEBC announced electronic ballots overseen by a certain private corporation from abroad. Cord didn't spend much time campaigning and wasting funds given this intel. The IEBC at the behest of Uhuru at the behest of his white Colonal British advisors who's sole interest is to protect British owned land, rigged the elections electronically 2013. 'tis why the IEBC needs to be dismantled.

[veritas]

Uhuruto did no such thing. They mobilized hackers to come up with statistically acceptable figures for rigging. Who mind you leave a tardy trail since real hackers don't work for Brits. You're confusing Jubilee for CORD's voter registration campaign shortly after the stolen elections in 2007.

Why could he not bridge that? And how do you know they were real votes?

For starters all those who had voted for Mudavadi were more likely to vote for Raila than Uhuru. Since the turnout in Jubilee areas was as high as 90% there were no more votes to come from there. Yet the turnout had been low in CORD areas which means there were more votes to fetch and they would have most likely flipped for Raila.

The whole 2013 elections came down to a massive registration drive followed to voter turnout on D-day and Uhuruto really mobilized their respective strongholds to turnout and vote, something which was lacking in the opposition's stronghold.

Now add to that the lack of ID's due to Kajwang's stupidity and you see how CORD sabotaged the elections themselves. You see, going into the election in 2012, RAO was the leading candidate by far and laxity set in.

As Moonki keeps on writing, what's being done right now by CORD to learn from the mistakes of 2013 and change the dynamics for next year? Sadly, what I see is finger pointing and nonsense being spewed at rallies. You really think that's gonna work?

[Simanova]

Let me borrow a leaf from MoonKi as well and request that you produce voter registration figures for 2013 by province so we can see this massive voter registration you speak of.

Why could he not bridge that? And how do you know they were real votes?

For starters all those who had voted for Mudavadi were more likely to vote for Raila than Uhuru. Since the turnout in Jubilee areas was as high as 90% there were no more votes to come from there. Yet the turnout had been low in CORD areas which means there were more votes to fetch and they would have most likely flipped for Raila.

The whole 2013 elections came down to a massive registration drive followed to voter turnout on D-day and Uhuruto really mobilized their respective strongholds to turnout and vote, something which was lacking in the opposition's stronghold.

Now add to that the lack of ID's due to Kajwang's stupidity and you see how CORD sabotaged the elections themselves. You see, going into the election in 2012, RAO was the leading candidate by far and laxity set in.

As Moonki keeps on writing, what's being done right now by CORD to learn from the mistakes of 2013 and change the dynamics for next year? Sadly, what I see is finger pointing and nonsense being spewed at rallies. You really think that's gonna work?

[RV Pundit]

No election (or human) process is error -free--and nobody has demonstrated how IEBC favoured UhuRuto. Raila had all the advantage going in 2013 and simply bottled up. He hired the commissioners with Kibaki and Oswago was his man, the guy in charge of It was one Mr Ongonga.

If you're waiting for flawless election that is not happening. As long as the error fairly or unfairly affect everyone then that is good enough.

[Simanova]

It is just that all those errors just happened to favor Uhuruto - all by themselves!

The confusion with the voter register and the surfacing of the Disabled Register just happened to help dispense with the runoff.

What advantage did Raila as Prime Minister without power have that Uhuru Kenyatta as Deputy Prime Minister and Finance Minister lacked?

Oswago was not put in place by Raila to rig elections for him. He was appointed under the assumption that he would deliver free and fair elections. Obviously he was not going to do that as it has surfaced.

Raila did not hire commissioners. I assume you are aware of the process used and how many instances were involved in the selection vetting and recommendation before appointment. Even if he did, he was not appointing "his" private commissioners nor did he expect them to favor him. He did his constitutional duty to fill positions for an independent office. As it is turning out others compromised the commissioners so they could not do the job Raila intended.

I believe Ong'ong'a is a Kisii man much as some might think he is a Luo. Being Luo however would not have been license for him to rig elections in favor of Raila. He was expected to do his job and deliver a free election.

No election (or human) process is error -free--and nobody has demonstrated how IEBC favoured UhuRuto. Raila had all the advantage going in 2013 and simply bottled up. He hired the commissioners with Kibaki and Oswago was his man, the guy in charge of It was one Mr Ongonga.

If you're waiting for flawless election that is not happening. As long as the error fairly or unfairly affect everyone then that is good enough.

[RV Pundit]

Let not re-start this endless debate. UhuRuto were fired from gov after 2010 constitution was enacted except for Uhuru political DPM position which was useless. Raila sat in Cabinet that oversaw elections with IEBC. His men were part of interviewing panel. He was deeply involved in procurement of those kits in gov-to-gov deal with France & Canada. UhuRuto were busy with ICC & energizing their base with anti-ICC rallies. Kibaki was busy with his nonsense to make MaDVD PORK believing UhuRuto were not eligible or would be bad for business. Raila had Kajwang for 5yrs in charge of National IDS.

Raila lost fair and square. The debate about registers has been explained so many times. The supreme court delivered an unamious verdict. None of Raila evidence (leave alone the huge nonsense that was rejected) were ever proved to be rigging. Not even in a single polling station. If rigging was massive..the evidence would be massive..and even the little admitted would stick.

Raila again is now barking at wrong tree. Even if his own wife is made the IEBC chair in 2017- he' still lose. He need to refocus on what really win elections. It wasn't even close in 13 when UhuRuto were under the wall and now in 17 it will be complete blow out.

It is just that all those errors just happened to favor Uhuruto - all by themselves!

The confusion with the voter register and the surfacing of the Disabled Register just happened to help dispense with the runoff.

What advantage did Raila as Prime Minister without power have that Uhuru Kenyatta as Deputy Prime Minister and Finance Minister lacked?

Oswago was not put in place by Raila to rig elections for him. He was appointed under the assumption that he would deliver free and fair elections. Obviously he was not going to do that as it has surfaced.

Raila did not hire commissioners. I assume you are aware of the process used and how many instances were involved in the selection vetting and recommendation before appointment. Even if he did, he was not appointing "his" private commissioners nor did he expect them to favor him. He did his constitutional duty to fill positions for an independent office. As it is turning out others compromised the commissioners so they could not do the job Raila intended.

I believe Ong'ong'a is a Kisii man much as some might think he is a Luo. Being Luo however would not have been license for him to rig elections in favor of Raila. He was expected to do his job and deliver a free election.

No election (or human) process is error -free--and nobody has demonstrated how IEBC favoured UhuRuto. Raila had all the advantage going in 2013 and simply bottled up. He hired the commissioners with Kibaki and Oswago was his man, the guy in charge of It was one Mr Ongonga.

If you're waiting for flawless election that is not happening. As long as the error fairly or unfairly affect everyone then that is good enough.

[Kim Jong-Un's Pajama Pants]

I believe they were rigged.  Simply because the conditions that existed in 2007 were still in place.  I wouldn't think otherwise even if CORD won.  The Jubilant will not see it that way because that isn't part of his program.

People need to take seriously the need to fix the electoral system.  Minimum standards for me to consider a Kenyan election halfway decent are the full Kriegler recommendations.

[Simanova]

You are basically continuing the same line of argument.

Uhuru Kenyatta did not resign from office in 2010. He resigned on the 26th of january 2012 after the International Criminal Court ruled that he should stand trial for his alleged role in 2007/08 post-election violence.

He remained DPM.

We now know that he handpicked Githae and Kinyua to hold brief for him and keep the Finance Ministry under his thumb. Both men and Waiguru have been rewarded with big posts and corruption fiefdoms.

The point I can concede here is that Raila was played badly over the kits. His naivete came out strongly in to view.

Note however that Uhuru also sat in the same cabinet that oversaw the IEBC procurement. He was DPM. I am struggling to see the advantage Raila wielded over Deputy Prime Minister Uhuru Kenyatta.

Ruto may have been busy with energizing RV but Uhuru had his plan ready through Mama Ngina and never once worried about the ICC case. The plan to save him was simple: Seize and use the government.

The debate on registers has never been fully explained and that is why it keeps coming up. We now have it official and previously UNKNOWN and UNEXPLAINED that there were multiple registers. The "explanation" you allude to I assume is the LIE presented in the Supreme Court that there was only one register (plus the "small one of the Disabled")

Unanimity has never been a sign of honesty or truth. For example one of the issues Kenyans struggled against was the use of technicalities to derail and deny justice. Like someone failing to deliver his nomination papers before 12 Noon as he is detained by the police and the DC announcing an unopposed winner. 159(2) D was intended to cure that. The Supreme Court instead ignored it:

159 (2)(d) justice shall be administered without undue regard to procedural technicalities;

Do i think the justices are so stupid that they did not see or hear that line repeatedly in court? Hell No. But then what reasonable explanation is there as to why they threw out the affidavit on a technicality. They could extend the time of hearing the petition to a year... there is nowhere anybody could have appealed.

I note that you refer to the thousands of copies of evidence you never bothered to read and that was rejected "unread" by the judges as "nonsense". I assume you have some divine method of judging things unknown to you without resorting to the ordinary methods some of us mortals use.

I also note that having discarded the evidence, you triumphantly trumpet the Jubilee propaganda talking points about nothing having been proven. More like a serial killer who eats the bodies to the last bone and drop of blood taunting the police that "there is no body".

You are right about one thing and I got to grant you: Even if Raila puts his own wife in the current IEBC, he will still be declared the loser.

Let not re-start this endless debate. UhuRuto were fired from gov after 2010 constitution was enacted except for Uhuru political DPM position which was useless. Raila sat in Cabinet that oversaw elections with IEBC. His men were part of interviewing panel. He was deeply involved in procurement of those kits in gov-to-gov deal with France & Canada. UhuRuto were busy with ICC & energizing their base with anti-ICC rallies. Kibaki was busy with his nonsense to make MaDVD PORK believing UhuRuto were not eligible or would be bad for business. Raila had Kajwang for 5yrs in charge of National IDS.

Raila lost fair and square. The debate about registers has been explained so many times. The supreme court delivered an unamious verdict. None of Raila evidence (leave alone the huge nonsense that was rejected) were ever proved to be rigging. Not even in a single polling station. If rigging was massive..the evidence would be massive..and even the little admitted would stick.

Raila again is now barking at wrong tree. Even if his own wife is made the IEBC chair in 2017- he' still lose. He need to refocus on what really win elections. It wasn't even close in 13 when UhuRuto were under the wall and now in 17 it will be complete blow out.

[Kim Jong-Un's Pajama Pants]

Why could he not bridge that? And how do you know they were real votes?

For starters all those who had voted for Mudavadi were more likely to vote for Raila than Uhuru. Since the turnout in Jubilee areas was as high as 90% there were no more votes to come from there. Yet the turnout had been low in CORD areas which means there were more votes to fetch and they would have most likely flipped for Raila.

The whole 2013 elections came down to a massive registration drive followed to voter turnout on D-day and Uhuruto really mobilized their respective strongholds to turnout and vote, something which was lacking in the opposition's stronghold.

Now add to that the lack of ID's due to Kajwang's stupidity and you see how CORD sabotaged the elections themselves. You see, going into the election in 2012, RAO was the leading candidate by far and laxity set in.

As Moonki keeps on writing, what's being done right now by CORD to learn from the mistakes of 2013 and change the dynamics for next year? Sadly, what I see is finger pointing and nonsense being spewed at rallies. You really think that's gonna work?

Empedocles,

I tend to think that way.  But not because I have evidence either way.  It's just a default position in the absence of any other evidence.  And because it is the official position.  IEBC have had very serious issues conducting credible Presidential elections.

CORD could use some serious organization.  A deficit of which allowed the Jubilant to be able to convince himself and others that we can rationalize the outcome along those lines.  Despite clear evidence of unreliable election results at best.

I don't necessarily see CORD's disorganization as evidence for IEBC's trustworthiness.  But it may have been enough that they could possibly have lost even in a clean election.

[Kichwa]

Jubilee barely made the 50% mark and therefore the notion that they are unbeatable is baseless and without merit. It is hard to beat an incumbent but it is not impossible. The numbers are there for CORD to win and they should not listen to people telling them they cannot win.  What they need to focus on is what they have to do to win and there is still time to win this elections.  If they lose it is not because it was pre-ordained but because they failed to unite and win or because they were rigged out again.  Cord has a lot of challenges that they need to overcome but Jubilee too has quite a few which Cord can take advantage of. The progressive forces in Kenya needs to understand that the future belongs to them and that Ouru will be the last right wing president.  The issue is whether they take over in 2017 or 2022. This war is almost won and they need to unite like they have ever united before.

[veritas]

No election (or human) process is error -free--and nobody has demonstrated how IEBC favoured UhuRuto. Raila had all the advantage going in 2013 and simply bottled up. He hired the commissioners with Kibaki and Oswago was his man, the guy in charge of It was one Mr Ongonga.

If you're waiting for flawless election that is not happening. As long as the error fairly or unfairly affect everyone then that is good enough.

Just because the commissioner has members endorsed by the opposition doesn't mean such evidence is negligible. ODM has an impeccable track record for collating evidence. It doesn't even take evidence to attribute IEBC corruption to rigging. Kenya isn't the only nation in the world to have rigged, same rigging patterns were used using the exact same electronic kits around the world. Those kits have been abandoned since. A delay of that magnitude happens when force feeding fake data. There's evidence of that not just limited to the commissioner's report. Why would the international communities decry foul to a genocide perpetrating govt? How do you think Uhuruto would react? Genocide. Like a typical resource constrained dictator. Developing country dictators hurt their own, hold their own hostage when international communities threaten sanctions. Like what Kibaki did to the Kikuyus. This trait is consistent with conservative dictator factions around the world.