NCCK On SCOK and IEBC

[Kim Jong-Un's Pajama Pants]

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They are almost half a decade late.  After 2013, I suggested that CORD should have laser focus on ensuring minimal reforms in IEBC.  Specifically ensuring that all the Kriegler report requirements were guaranteed by the next election.  They have wasted the entire period on some vague Okoa initiative.

Now NCCK wants changes at IEBC.  I think it's a little late in the game to do that.  My view is to generally concede 2017, with all the warts, while hopefully avoiding chaos, and focus on reforming both insitutions long term.

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The National Council of Churches of Kenya (NCCK) has called for the reconstitution of the Independent Electoral and Boundaries Commission and the Supreme Court ahead of the 2017 polls.

[RV Pundit]

The first premise is false. IEBC never rig the 2013 election. Raila had the advantage in 2013. I can bet half of the commissioner in IEBC are his henchmen. If re-constituting that can only mean he might lose all of them. The secretariat was headed by Oswago. Raila was in charge of procuring the kits from Canada.  A Luo expat who ran nigeria election was in charge of IT & those kits.

The same can be said of supreme court. Marende ensure Raila had a say in there. Mutunga is hardly a man you can call Jubilee and yet he said Raila had lost fair and square.

Unlike 2007, Raila lost here, fair and square.

And there is no magic to winning an election....except ASSEMBLING THE LARGEST TRIBAL COALITION. Raila has to figure out how to do that. Anything else is waste of time and resources.

[Kim Jong-Un's Pajama Pants]

The first premise is false. IEBC never rig the 2013 election. Raila had the advantage in 2013. I can bet half of the commissioner in IEBC are his henchmen. If re-constituting that can only mean he might lose all of them. The secretariat was headed by Oswago. Raila was in charge of procuring the kits from Canada.  A Luo expat who ran nigeria election was in charge of IT & those kits.

The same can be said of supreme court. Marende ensure Raila had a say in there. Mutunga is hardly a man you can call Jubilee and yet he said Raila had lost fair and square.

Unlike 2007, Raila lost here, fair and square.

And there is no magic to winning an election....except ASSEMBLING THE LARGEST TRIBAL COALITION. Raila has to figure out how to do that. Anything else is waste of time and resources.

Kriegler recommendations are public domain.  CORD/NCCK should have focused on that soon after the elections which had the same problems witnessed in 2007.  They still have time to get the mess fixed by 2022.

[Omollo]

Pundit has made up his mind that the 2013 Elections were not rigged. we have been through this before so for me to repeat is nothing more than beating the same old drum and expecting a different tune.

The thing is there was a lot of restraint on the part of CORD to avoid 2007 like PEV. I doubt that a repeat of the rigging would augur well for the country.

If the Kalenjins choose to vote for Uhuru as they did in 2013, then RV will be safe for Kyuks while it will become hostile for Luos, Luhyas and others. I foresee a bigger death toll than 2008.

All this can be avoided easily and simply. Let there be reforms. Let there be no such things like TNA sharing the same servers with IEBC. Let us see one Voters' roll and multiple including one manufactured just in time for the SCOK petition.

Already Mutunga has made some important proposals such as increasing the time for challenges from 2 weeks to four weeks. I think the time limit should be done away with altogether and the courts can exercise their discretion. Let the case take months if need be.

Termie: The NCCK etc are doing what they do best when paid for such services. We have always known that Uhuru is uncomfortable with the IEBC. Even though some of the commissioners owe their jobs to Raila, all were converted to Jubilee - including Oswago. The idea however is to have a Kikuyu either heading the organization or deputizing (Kihara Muttu style). I wont be surprised if Uhuru borrows a leaf from Kibaki and appoints his personal advocate to lead the IEBC. You can take this to the bank: Isaac Hassan will not oversee the next election and all because of Jubilee not CORD

[MOON Ki]

Omollo:

CORD has already lost this one.   In addition to the points Terminator brings up, the CORD side forgot the most basic thing in such matters---getting people registered to vote.

I don't see much violence occurring.   A few people will throws stones, the GSU will beat the crap out of them, and that will be that.  (I doubt that CORD supporters are as pre-disposed to extreme violence as others are.)

[Omollo]

MK

Unless you are of the opinion that certain registered voters will like zombies vote for a given party, you have to treat all voters as potentially open to persuasion and canvassing to vote for well, anybody

That said, I note with great respect your observation below. We know who has the monopoly of violence. We recently saw that monopoly exercised on already subdued students of the UoN.

Let me tell you that one good day, all these people will be brought to book. They can now torture other humans in violation of the constitution. But a day will come when they will be required to account for their actions.

The same goes for Uhuru and Ruto. They will be tried for their crimes regardless of their (advanced) age.
 I still have hope.

Omollo:

CORD has already lost this one.   In addition to the points Terminator brings up, the CORD side forgot the most basic thing in such matters---getting people registered to vote.

I don't see much violence occurring.   A few people will throws stones, the GSU will beat the crap out of them, and that will be that.  (I doubt that CORD supporters are as pre-disposed to extreme violence as others are.)

[Omollo]

MK

Unless you are of the opinion that certain registered voters will like zombies vote for a given party, you have to treat all voters as potentially open to persuasion and canvassing to vote for well, anybody. I mean people are not robots

That said, I note with great respect your observation below. We know who has the monopoly of violence. We recently saw that monopoly exercised on already subdued students of the UoN.

Let me tell you that one good day, all these people will be brought to book. They can now torture other humans in violation of the constitution. But a day will come when they will be required to account for their actions.

The same goes for Uhuru and Ruto. They will be tried for their crimes regardless of their (advanced) age.
 I still have hope.

Omollo:

CORD has already lost this one.   In addition to the points Terminator brings up, the CORD side forgot the most basic thing in such matters---getting people registered to vote.

I don't see much violence occurring.   A few people will throws stones, the GSU will beat the crap out of them, and that will be that.  (I doubt that CORD supporters are as pre-disposed to extreme violence as others are.)

[Kim Jong-Un's Pajama Pants]

Pundit has made up his mind that the 2013 Elections were not rigged. we have been through this before so for me to repeat is nothing more than beating the same old drum and expecting a different tune.

The thing is there was a lot of restraint on the part of CORD to avoid 2007 like PEV. I doubt that a repeat of the rigging would augur well for the country.

If the Kalenjins choose to vote for Uhuru as they did in 2013, then RV will be safe for Kyuks while it will become hostile for Luos, Luhyas and others. I foresee a bigger death toll than 2008.

All this can be avoided easily and simply. Let there be reforms. Let there be no such things like TNA sharing the same servers with IEBC. Let us see one Voters' roll and multiple including one manufactured just in time for the SCOK petition.

Already Mutunga has made some important proposals such as increasing the time for challenges from 2 weeks to four weeks. I think the time limit should be done away with altogether and the courts can exercise their discretion. Let the case take months if need be.

Termie: The NCCK etc are doing what they do best when paid for such services. We have always known that Uhuru is uncomfortable with the IEBC. Even though some of the commissioners owe their jobs to Raila, all were converted to Jubilee - including Oswago. The idea however is to have a Kikuyu either heading the organization or deputizing (Kihara Muttu style). I wont be surprised if Uhuru borrows a leaf from Kibaki and appoints his personal advocate to lead the IEBC. You can take this to the bank: Isaac Hassan will not oversee the next election and all because of Jubilee not CORD

He is very defensive of tyranny of numbers.  Even then, one would think implementing Kriegler recommendations would be a good way to confirm this Jubilant pet theory in a safe environment. 

I had no idea kamwana is against IEBC.  Why would he be against a referee who sings Raila is a perpetual loser when he wakes up?

[MOON Ki]

Raila and friends don't seem that worried.     




First time I've seen Rectangular smiling.

[RV Pundit]

What kriggler recommendation needs to be implemented. The commissioners need to go post-chicken gate scandal. That I think is given. The hard part is figuring out the replacement. Raila constitutions give Uhuru the right to appoint commissioners after vetting in parliament.  Now who would you prefer....this Raila IEBC or brand new IEBC that is jubilee filled.

Anything else would involve changing the constitution. Tough luck with that. It aint happening.

[Omollo]

I had no idea kamwana is against IEBC.  Why would he be against a referee who sings Raila is a perpetual loser when he wakes up?

His problem is simple and that is the IEBC as now constituted is not Kikuyu enough. He needs a Kikuyu to either head it or be VC. He also needs to ensure that Kikuyus constitute a majority especially if the Chair is NOT Kikuyu.

Take it to the bank Termie.

[Kim Jong-Un's Pajama Pants]

I had no idea kamwana is against IEBC.  Why would he be against a referee who sings Raila is a perpetual loser when he wakes up?

His problem is simple and that is the IEBC as now constituted is not Kikuyu enough. He needs a Kikuyu to either head it or be VC. He also needs to ensure that Kikuyus constitute a majority especially if the Chair is NOT Kikuyu.

Take it to the bank Termie.

It goes over my head.  Because Isaack sings the Jubilant anthem.  Integrity has never mattered to Jubilee.

If you are right, does this have anything to do with 2022?

[Omollo]

Termie

Uhuru has problems working with non Kikuyus. He could not get rid of them earlier and before the 2013 elections because he didnt have the power. He cannot let the opportunity to Kikuyunize the IEBC. What other chance has he? He can't risk having non Kikuyus decide his fate

[Kim Jong-Un's Pajama Pants]

What kriggler recommendation needs to be implemented. The commissioners need to go post-chicken gate scandal. That I think is given. The hard part is figuring out the replacement. Raila constitutions give Uhuru the right to appoint commissioners after vetting in parliament.  Now who would you prefer....this Raila IEBC or brand new IEBC that is jubilee filled.

Anything else would involve changing the constitution. Tough luck with that. It aint happening.

Kriegler recommendations specifically around elections; especially EVID and tallying.  Enforcement of election laws; Wetangula bribed voters; he should be history.

I am not fixated on if Raila gains or loses.  Apart from terror, elections are the greatest threat to stability.  If Kenyans see them as a fairly clean no-nonsense affair, that makes them less threatening.

[MOON Ki]

Apart from terror, elections are the greatest threat to stability. 

Not just stability (in terms of security).   An economy that is guaranteed to slow down miserably every 5 years (20% of the time) has some serious problems.

[Omollo]

[pdf]http://tikenya.org/phocadownload/kriegler%20commission%20report%20an%20audit%20of%20its%20implementation.pdf[/pdf]

[Nefertiti]

Omollo has to stop being so anti-Kikuyu to see issues objectively. One could assert that Raila would like to Luonize IEBC but lacks the power, no?

Any reforms in IEBC and SCOK must be longterm and widely consensual. Not changing individual commissioners or judges unprocedurally. 

SCOK
Presidential election petition timeframe -- it is set so shortly because the petition period can cause instability. You have to weigh the pros and cons of an extension.

IEBC
Letting Wetangula off the hook -- is that a reform issue or just negligence? Sharing servers with TNA -- what reform is needed for this? There was the allegation of excess supply of voter registration agency in Jubilee strongholds... Most of these are the he-said-she-said variety than fact.

The new constitution exacerbated tyranny of numbers with the pure presidential system and 50%+1. Thanks mostly to ODM internal wrangles in the last parliament. Elections come down to strategy. Blaming Uhuru is escapism. 

[RV Pundit]

well said. This is more a frustration than a real grouse.

Omollo has to stop being so anti-Kikuyu to see issues objectively. One could assert that Raila would like to Luonize IEBC but lacks the power, no?

Any reforms in IEBC and SCOK must be longterm and widely consensual. Not changing individual commissioners or judges unprocedurally. 

SCOK
Presidential election petition timeframe -- it is set so shortly because the petition period can cause instability. You have to weigh the pros and cons of an extension.

IEBC
Letting Wetangula off the hook -- is that a reform issue or just negligence? Sharing servers with TNA -- what reform is needed for this? There was the allegation of excess supply of voter registration agency in Jubilee strongholds... Most of these are the he-said-she-said variety than fact.

The new constitution exacerbated tyranny of numbers with the pure presidential system and 50%+1. Thanks mostly to ODM internal wrangles in the last parliament. Elections come down to strategy. Blaming Uhuru is escapism. 

[Omollo]

Robina

I would rather you demanded that I back up my assertions or withdraw them entirely.

I simply see no reason why the rest of us should pretend not to notice The Imperial President's nakedness while he insists on walking the streets without as much as banana leaves around his waist. Uhuru has shown that like Kibaki he is NOT comfortable with Non Kikuyus in certain positions. It is his record that exposes him not Omollo.

I do not believe one becomes anti-Kikuyu by simply pointing out the discrimination meted out to other people and the favoritism poured on Kikuyus. Am I blaming Kikuyus for that? Hell no. I am blaming Uhuru and his government for running such a policy that favours Kikuyus. Hitler loved Wagner's music. Should I hate the music because Hitler loved it? Wagner had no say in the matter as he was in fact dead long before Hitler was born.

Are there people - mostly Kikuyu - who benefit from this and they defend it? Of course there are. Their hallmark is to seek to label anybody who raises the red flag over the discrimination with intimidating terms such as tribalist and "Anti-Kikuyu" - an attempt to evoke a comparison to "Antisemitism"

Omollo has to stop being so anti-Kikuyu to see issues objectively. One could assert that Raila would like to Luonize IEBC but lacks the power, no?

Any reforms in IEBC and SCOK must be longterm and widely consensual. Not changing individual commissioners or judges unprocedurally. 

SCOK
Presidential election petition timeframe -- it is set so shortly because the petition period can cause instability. You have to weigh the pros and cons of an extension.

IEBC
Letting Wetangula off the hook -- is that a reform issue or just negligence? Sharing servers with TNA -- what reform is needed for this? There was the allegation of excess supply of voter registration agency in Jubilee strongholds... Most of these are the he-said-she-said variety than fact.

The new constitution exacerbated tyranny of numbers with the pure presidential system and 50%+1. Thanks mostly to ODM internal wrangles in the last parliament. Elections come down to strategy. Blaming Uhuru is escapism. 

[Nefertiti]

I accept your analogies. Although honestly "anti-semite" is also abused by Jewish supremacists and their defenders. Labels are real just like tyranny of numbers and we must stand up to them with our facts and principles.

Now, on standing up to principle, I voted no in August 2010. Because I do not support imperial presidency and the bloated assemblies. Civilized societies like most of Europe have parliamentary democracy to balance secretarian interests. Some go further with a ceremonial figurehead to immunize national institutions over political expediency -- judiciary, military, etc.

A parliamentary system would be great for Kenya. The stable variety that does not allow trivial impeachments. Zuma is a parliament appointee and has to attend weekly Q & A. ANC numbers keep him safe.

That is water under the bridge. However we have independent commissions, devolution and legislative oversight, which you note are diluted by psychophancy and incompetence.

All these things, while better than the Kibaki-Moi era, do not absolve the Opposition from crafting winning strategy. There is not enough to reform in IEBC and SCOK to counter the effect of strategic thinking. Raila knows this full well and has not squandered reforms as you claimed here. He gave MPs voter registration targets. His focus on Okoa and Eurobond is prepping up his 2017 buzz: Jubilee bungled devolution and is super-corrupt. Cut him some slack. Your hook&sinker digestion of his korti bandia koolaid is proof enough he is smart

Robina

I would rather you demanded that I back up my assertions or withdraw them entirely.

I simply see no reason why the rest of us should pretend not to notice The Imperial President's nakedness while he insists on walking the streets without as much as banana leaves around his waist. Uhuru has shown that like Kibaki he is NOT comfortable with Non Kikuyus in certain positions. It is his record that exposes him not Omollo.

I do not believe one becomes anti-Kikuyu by simply pointing out the discrimination meted out to other people and the favoritism poured on Kikuyus. Am I blaming Kikuyus for that? Hell no. I am blaming Uhuru and his government for running such a policy that favours Kikuyus. Hitler loved Wagner's music. Should I hate the music because Hitler loved it? Wagner had no say in the matter as he was in fact dead long before Hitler was born.

Are there people - mostly Kikuyu - who benefit from this and they defend it? Of course there are. Their hallmark is to seek to label anybody who raises the red flag over the discrimination with intimidating terms such as tribalist and "Anti-Kikuyu" - an attempt to evoke a comparison to "Antisemitism"