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CNN singles negative vibes out of banking sector to indicate trouble in the Kenya's economy...
http://money.cnn.com/2016/04/15/news/economy/africa-economy-south-africa-nigeria-kenya-angola/index.html
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Re: South Africa, Nigeria, Angola, Kenya and such economies in trouble
« Reply #1 on: April 18, 2016, 01:20:21 PM »
Exclude kenya. Kenya has one of the most diversified economy thanks to vibrant private and informal sector ---and cannot go under easily.

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Re: South Africa, Nigeria, Angola, Kenya and such economies in trouble
« Reply #2 on: April 18, 2016, 03:35:00 PM »
Meanwhile corruption has killed Brazil's dreams. Legislators are more corrupt than the executive.
Zuma strangled SA.

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Re: South Africa, Nigeria, Angola, Kenya and such economies in trouble
« Reply #3 on: April 19, 2016, 04:07:43 PM »
Right. Kenya apart from chronic corruption is grand story. Unlike Angola oil economy, Kenya is agriculture (multiple commodities), banks/financial services/BPOs , real estate/roads/infrastructure devpt, tourism, manufacturing -- with impressive human capital. This service + commodity mix balances export and domestic consumer markets. In short we have divested our eggs. The thing for us is to ensure faster growth and efficiency. Down the road we will not need cumbersome restructuring ala China. If we make good on oil boom it's a great thing the money will finance a diversified system and largely escape overdependence syndrome. Corruption is the real demon to be exorcised.

Chinese slowdown will hurt commodity exporters -- oil, metals, cement, etc. Agricultural/food exports to EU have not slowed down because feeding is not impacted by economic slowdown. Nor dressing and fragrances (fashion). Ours are safe commodities. Look at the 6% growth projection viz 3% overall.

I may add that this fair economy is simply good luck, not wisdom of foresight or planning.


Exclude kenya. Kenya has one of the most diversified economy thanks to vibrant private and informal sector ---and cannot go under easily.
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Re: South Africa, Nigeria, Angola, Kenya and such economies in trouble
« Reply #4 on: April 20, 2016, 10:30:40 AM »
The only sector that has never grown for a while is manufacturing...but I think with formalization of the retail & wholesale sector we might see growth. The other sector that we have never got right is mining....this need to change..it can be another engine of growth. Also livestock sector outside dairy we can do better...exporting beef worldwide.
Right. Kenya apart from chronic corruption is grand story. Unlike Angola oil economy, Kenya is agriculture (multiple commodities), banks/financial services/BPOs , real estate/roads/infrastructure devpt, tourism, manufacturing -- with impressive human capital. This service + commodity mix balances export and domestic consumer markets. In short we have divested our eggs. The thing for us is to ensure faster growth and efficiency. Down the road we will not need cumbersome restructuring ala China. If we make good on oil boom it's a great thing the money will finance a diversified system and largely escape overdependence syndrome. Corruption is the real demon to be exorcised.

Chinese slowdown will hurt commodity exporters -- oil, metals, cement, etc. Agricultural/food exports to EU have not slowed down because feeding is not impacted by economic slowdown. Nor dressing and fragrances (fashion). Ours are safe commodities. Look at the 6% growth projection viz 3% overall.

I may add that this fair economy is simply good luck, not wisdom of foresight or planning.


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Re: South Africa, Nigeria, Angola, Kenya and such economies in trouble
« Reply #5 on: April 20, 2016, 12:50:02 PM »
The only sector that has never grown for a while is manufacturing...but I think with formalization of the retail & wholesale sector we might see growth.

The first part of that seems to be a rather mild way of putting things.   In terms of its % contribution to the GDP, there has been barely any change in Kenyan manufacturing since independence; and I don't see how "formalization of the retail & wholesale sector" will change that.   Of particular concern are (a) the continued importation of cheap junk from China, and (b) the apparent lack of real government efforts to change things.

The context is in (a) the Grand Vision 2030 plan to be an industrialized country by 2030, and (b) how to lift the economy from the bottom ranks of the "middle".     For (a), it's hard to see how Kenya intends to be an industrialized country with hardly any real manufacturing.   For (b), looking at the countries that have most improved their lot rapidly---and especially those without substantial natural resources---it appears that the general path is "manufacturing ---> industrialization ---> services and consumerism".  (With the rare exception, improvements in agriculture seems to precede the manufacturing phase.) 

And Kenya is not particularly helped with a culture of virulent corruption, in which theft, rather than production, is seen as the "best" way to improve one's lot.
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Re: South Africa, Nigeria, Angola, Kenya and such economies in trouble
« Reply #6 on: April 20, 2016, 01:06:27 PM »
I think kenya is putting in place the building blocks for a successfully manufacturing sector.
1) Infrastructure..our transport cost are some of world worse/most expensive..SGR will bring down to half that and better roads will generall reduce the cost of moving goods & raw materials.
2) Power...our power has been unreliable, expensive & coverage been spotty..there has been tremendous improvement the last 10 years...12% electricity rate to nearly 50% now...Jubilee want to makes this 75% in few years from now...and soon nearly everyone will live 600m from a transformer.
3) Informal retail sector..small dukas...is giving way to supermakets and malls..kenya is now second only to South Africa in that aspect. It easy now for a manufacturer to approach Nakumatt or Tusky or Uchumi sign 1B kshs deal to supplier xyz, approach a bank and get going...than dealing with gazillion of small time dukas.
4) Our labour is still expensive but has some best productivity levels in Africa..a kenyan worker is 3 times more productive than a TZ for example.
5) Our finance sector is already world class in my view. There are issue around cost of borrowing...but generally our financial & inter-mediation is one of best outside South Africa.

Warehouses/Godowns are now competing with Malls/Supermarkets as the best investment.

As you can see we are nearly turning the corner and voila we will have all ingredient for manufacturing to take off.  One best harbinger of things to come is cement industry in Kenya.

Just  a matter of less than 10yrs in my opinion.


The first part of that seems to be a rather mild way of putting things.   In terms of its % contribution to the GDP, there has been barely any change in Kenyan manufacturing since independence; and I don't see how "formalization of the retail & wholesale sector" will change that.   Of particular concern are (a) the continued importation of cheap junk from China, and (b) the apparent lack of real government efforts to change things.

The context is in (a) the Grand Vision 2030 plan to be an industrialized country by 2030, and (b) how to lift the economy from the bottom ranks of the "middle".     For (a), it's hard to see how Kenya intends to be an industrialized country with hardly any real manufacturing.   For (b), looking at the countries that have most improved their lot rapidly---and especially those without substantial natural resources---it appears that the general path is "manufacturing ---> industrialization ---> services and consumerism".  (With the rare exception, improvements in agriculture seems to precede the manufacturing phase.) 

And Kenya is not particularly helped with a culture of virulent corruption, in which theft, rather than production, is seen as the "best" way to improve one's lot.

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Re: South Africa, Nigeria, Angola, Kenya and such economies in trouble
« Reply #7 on: April 20, 2016, 01:54:54 PM »
I think kenya is putting in place the building blocks for a successfully manufacturing sector.
1) Infrastructure..our transport cost are some of world worse/most expensive..SGR will bring down to half that and better roads will generall reduce the cost of moving goods & raw materials.
2) Power...our power has been unreliable, expensive & coverage been spotty..there has been tremendous improvement the last 10 years...12% electricity rate to nearly 50% now...Jubilee want to makes this 75% in few years from now...and soon nearly everyone will live 600m from a transformer.
3) Informal retail sector..small dukas...is giving way to supermakets and malls..kenya is now second only to South Africa in that aspect. It easy now for a manufacturer to approach Nakumatt or Tusky or Uchumi sign 1B kshs deal to supplier xyz, approach a bank and get going...than dealing with gazillion of small time dukas.

(1) and (2) will certainly help.   But manufacturing is about making things.   What sorts of things are to be produced that will be snapped up in the face of cheap Chinese junk?   What is the xyz that Nakumatt etc. will be jumping at in Sh. 1B deals?

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4) Our labour is still expensive but has some best productivity levels in Africa..a kenyan worker is 3 times more productive than a TZ for example.

That's like saying that a D+ student is so many times better than an F student.    There might be some comfort there, but what is the practical significance?   Are manufacturers rushing in from elsewhere to set up in Kenya?  On the contrary, the standard story seems to be like this:

http://www.standardmedia.co.ke/business/article/2000193411/manufacturing-nightmare-that-is-turning-kenya-into-graveyard-for-companies?articleID=2000193411&story_title=manufacturing-nightmare-that-is-turning-kenya-into-graveyard-for-companies&pageNo=2

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5) Our finance sector is already world class in my view. There are issue around cost of borrowing...but generally our financial & inter-mediation is one of best outside South Africa.

I'm glad you qualified the first statement.  But what's its relevance?   Is the idea that Kenya will suddenly become a major manufacturer if the cost of borrowing goes down?   

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Warehouses/Godowns are now competing with Malls/Supermarkets as the best investment.

That does not necessarily say much about manufacturing in Kenya   What's in the warehouses/godowns?   What's being sold in the malls/supermarkets?   Tons of Kenyan products?
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« Reply #8 on: April 20, 2016, 02:05:35 PM »
First visit a supermarket in kenya and then we can continue with debate. You've this wrong impression that it full of chinese stuff. It is not. Kenya manufacturing best times are coming....as we are dealing with fundamentals....infrastructure...supply chains...labor..financing.
I think kenya is putting in place the building blocks for a successfully manufacturing sector.
1) Infrastructure..our transport cost are some of world worse/most expensive..SGR will bring down to half that and better roads will generall reduce the cost of moving goods & raw materials.
2) Power...our power has been unreliable, expensive & coverage been spotty..there has been tremendous improvement the last 10 years...12% electricity rate to nearly 50% now...Jubilee want to makes this 75% in few years from now...and soon nearly everyone will live 600m from a transformer.
3) Informal retail sector..small dukas...is giving way to supermakets and malls..kenya is now second only to South Africa in that aspect. It easy now for a manufacturer to approach Nakumatt or Tusky or Uchumi sign 1B kshs deal to supplier xyz, approach a bank and get going...than dealing with gazillion of small time dukas.

(1) and (2) will certainly help.   But manufacturing is about making things.   What sorts of things are to be produced that will be snapped up in the face of cheap Chinese junk?   What is the xyz that Nakumatt etc. will be jumping at in Sh. 1B deals?

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4) Our labour is still expensive but has some best productivity levels in Africa..a kenyan worker is 3 times more productive than a TZ for example.

That's like saying that a D+ student is so many times better than an F student.    There might be some comfort there, but what is the practical significance?   Are manufacturers rushing in from elsewhere to set up in Kenya?    On the contrary, the story seems to be like this:

http://www.standardmedia.co.ke/business/article/2000193411/manufacturing-nightmare-that-is-turning-kenya-into-graveyard-for-companies


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5) Our finance sector is already world class in my view. There are issue around cost of borrowing...but generally our financial & inter-mediation is one of best outside South Africa.

I'm glad you qualified the first statement.  But what's its relevance?   Is the idea that Kenya will suddenly become a major manufacturer if the cost of borrowing goes down?   

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Warehouses/Godowns are now competing with Malls/Supermarkets as the best investment.

That does not necessarily say much about manufacturing in Kenya   What's in the warehouses/godowns?   What's being sold in the malls/supermarkets?   Tons of Kenyan products?

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« Reply #9 on: April 20, 2016, 02:17:41 PM »
First visit a supermarket in kenya and then we can continue with debate.

I was in one in Eldoret not too long ago.   Part of a major chain, and I  have no reason to believe that their outpost in Eldoret is a special case.   (Of course, you could always tell me about all the Kenya-manufactured  products that supermarkets stock.)

But we need not dwell on supermarkets.    While we await my trip-reports from visits to other places, there is no reason why we should not debate this:

http://www.standardmedia.co.ke/business/article/2000193411/manufacturing-nightmare-that-is-turning-kenya-into-graveyard-for-companies?articleID=2000193411&story_title=manufacturing-nightmare-that-is-turning-kenya-into-graveyard-for-companies&pageNo=2

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as we are dealing with fundamentals....infrastructure...supply chains...labor..financing.

And the stuff to be made?   What are the plans for those?
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Re: South Africa, Nigeria, Angola, Kenya and such economies in trouble
« Reply #10 on: April 20, 2016, 03:18:07 PM »
There are no incentives to manufacture locally. Besides, land has become so expensive and the recent devolution has brought in a lot of red tape. So big manufacturers will shift to TZ and ship products across border.
Besides why manufacture when you can quickly flip land?

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« Reply #11 on: April 20, 2016, 07:09:27 PM »
Economy comes down to production, which makes productivity a very big deal. Growth and efficiency is what will cause expansion of already well balanced Kenyan economic structure.

The agriculture -> manufacturing -> services model is old school organic growth. Agriculture is based on natural land and weather. Anyone can grow stuff, only efficiency is needed to compete for the market. Our zebu beef needs to go largescale to compete with Brazil in Saudi Arabia... same as coffee, tea, pyrethrum, etc. Peasant farming is inefficient. Besides that, smart manufacturing (value add coffee, fish, beef processing) will increase revenues. This is bottom-pyramid sector that 3rd world economies need to get straight.

Manufacturing is next easy thing but more complex. It requires raw materials, high capital and technology / knowhow. Economies of scale play up here. You need smart planning. Our biggest import bill comes from everyday items like clothes, agricultural inputs, industrial equipment, household electronics, cars, etc. We can't compete on cars and machineries but we can make low-level items - wheelbarrows, toothpaste, cement, fertilizer, cookers, fridges. Don't bother with cars and earth movers. It comes down again to knowhow and efficiency. It's a free market so you can't ban the "cheap Chinese junk" otherwise Beijing will ban your leather and cut lending. Specialize and compete.

This brings us to services, which includes solid sectors on their own (tourism, BPOs, ICT products) but more so this is the driver of innovation and efficiency needed to increase competitiveness of agriculture and manufacturing. With high efficiency, our agricultural exports can expand actual market size and value add revenues. By this I mean the coffee grams per acre viz cost per gram. That is why Ndii talks of rural murram roads (cost).

Manufacturing needs to supply domestic market and cut import bill. This needs cheaper power, labor, capital, roads, housing and efficient retail/wholesale sector with few middlemen and redtape. Services come in here to ensure efficiency - ICT, iTax, e-commerce, etc.

Efficiency - this is driven by services and innovation. Note the MoonKi story's emphasis on the cost of doing business. To cheapen labor you need more skilled manpower in high supply. Technical colleges and e-learning can enable this by expanding education. Mobile banking expands access to cash for consumers and micro businesses. Internet connectivity (telcoms) makes market reach & advertising easy and cheap.

Enterprise... the more smart businesspeople and risktakers you have the better. Services sector drives efficiency which drives growth. But this needs manpower which is why Ndii talks of education/human capital while Ndemo sings infrastructure. Well they are not mutually exclusive. SMEs are how all business starts and economies grow.

The iHubs, BPOs, economic zones, power plants, rail, roads, etc that government is doing are good. They need to encourage more big business tourism workshops like Obama visit last year; focus on smart manufacturing (value adds); reduce business redtape; partner with business to solve problems (look for market, formulate policies, source capital/reduce borrowing, etc); STOP corruption. Target a constant 10+% growth instead of the World Bank big brother oversight. Strategic planning and self determination is what works not paternalism.

We are OK - you MoonKi pessimist. When I see Uhuru promoting FDI in Germany and meeting SMEs in Nairobi I smile. Still individual Kenyans have a big role to play not just government. Ask what you can do for your country...

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« Reply #12 on: April 21, 2016, 09:39:03 AM »
Nice read Robina.
Economy comes down to production, which makes productivity a very big deal. Growth and efficiency is what will cause expansion of already well balanced Kenyan economic structure.

The agriculture -> manufacturing -> services model is old school organic growth. Agriculture is based on natural land and weather. Anyone can grow stuff, only efficiency is needed to compete for the market. Our zebu beef needs to go largescale to compete with Brazil in Saudi Arabia... same as coffee, tea, pyrethrum, etc. Peasant farming is inefficient. Besides that, smart manufacturing (value add coffee, fish, beef processing) will increase revenues. This is bottom-pyramid sector that 3rd world economies need to get straight.

Manufacturing is next easy thing but more complex. It requires raw materials, high capital and technology / knowhow. Economies of scale play up here. You need smart planning. Our biggest import bill comes from everyday items like clothes, agricultural inputs, industrial equipment, household electronics, cars, etc. We can't compete on cars and machineries but we can make low-level items - wheelbarrows, toothpaste, cement, fertilizer, cookers, fridges. Don't bother with cars and earth movers. It comes down again to knowhow and efficiency. It's a free market so you can't ban the "cheap Chinese junk" otherwise Beijing will ban your leather and cut lending. Specialize and compete.

This brings us to services, which includes solid sectors on their own (tourism, BPOs, ICT products) but more so this is the driver of innovation and efficiency needed to increase competitiveness of agriculture and manufacturing. With high efficiency, our agricultural exports can expand actual market size and value add revenues. By this I mean the coffee grams per acre viz cost per gram. That is why Ndii talks of rural murram roads (cost).

Manufacturing needs to supply domestic market and cut import bill. This needs cheaper power, labor, capital, roads, housing and efficient retail/wholesale sector with few middlemen and redtape. Services come in here to ensure efficiency - ICT, iTax, e-commerce, etc.

Efficiency - this is driven by services and innovation. Note the MoonKi story's emphasis on the cost of doing business. To cheapen labor you need more skilled manpower in high supply. Technical colleges and e-learning can enable this by expanding education. Mobile banking expands access to cash for consumers and micro businesses. Internet connectivity (telcoms) makes market reach & advertising easy and cheap.

Enterprise... the more smart businesspeople and risktakers you have the better. Services sector drives efficiency which drives growth. But this needs manpower which is why Ndii talks of education/human capital while Ndemo sings infrastructure. Well they are not mutually exclusive. SMEs are how all business starts and economies grow.

The iHubs, BPOs, economic zones, power plants, rail, roads, etc that government is doing are good. They need to encourage more big business tourism workshops like Obama visit last year; focus on smart manufacturing (value adds); reduce business redtape; partner with business to solve problems (look for market, formulate policies, source capital/reduce borrowing, etc); STOP corruption. Target a constant 10+% growth instead of the World Bank big brother oversight. Strategic planning and self determination is what works not paternalism.

We are OK - you MoonKi pessimist. When I see Uhuru promoting FDI in Germany and meeting SMEs in Nairobi I smile. Still individual Kenyans have a big role to play not just government. Ask what you can do for your country...



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« Reply #13 on: April 21, 2016, 01:53:06 PM »
Manufacturing is next easy thing but more complex. It requires raw materials, high capital and technology / knowhow. Economies of scale play up here. You need smart planning. Our biggest import bill comes from everyday items like clothes, agricultural inputs, industrial equipment, household electronics, cars, etc. We can't compete on cars and machineries but we can make low-level items - wheelbarrows, toothpaste, cement, fertilizer, cookers, fridges. Don't bother with cars and earth movers. It comes down again to knowhow and efficiency. It's a free market so you can't ban the "cheap Chinese junk" otherwise Beijing will ban your leather and cut lending. Specialize and compete.

The idea is not to ban them but to start replacing them with cheap Kenyan junk; in our times that (in most cases) is the path that has been taken to building a solid manufacturing base, with different countries taking their "turn".   On that basis, I would say the next countries to industrialize will be Vietnam, Indonesia, and the like (and not Kenya, Tanzania, Burundi and the like).   Why do I say that?

As labour costs have increased in China, people who used to "outsource" to Kung Fu (and Kung Fu  itself!)  are "outsourcing" and those other Asian countries are jumping on it.   And I don't mean shoes (as in Ethiopia), I mean everything from little bits of plastic to automotive parts and consumer electronics.   Where are Kenya and the like?  Rather than jump at Kung Fu's problems, they instead take great delight on how Kung Fu is "helping" them.   (That largely means  lending them money without too many questions---as long as they also pay for insurance on the loans---or buying their raw materials, "value-adding" to produce crap, and then making a huge profit in selling the crap right back to the Africans!)

It's all very well to say that manufacturing is the next easy thing.    But it means making stuff.   How is Kenya doing in that?   Where are the cookers and fridges and even less demanding items?  When do we start on them.*** It's not as though we will suddenly wake up one day and start mass-producing these things.  Compared to the Asian countries (such as those I have mentioned), what particular steps are Kenya (and most of Africa) taking to ensure that will be in the next manufacturing boom?

***A memory: When I was a kid, someone was making (or perhaps just selling) fridges in Kenya.   They looked like a "regular"  fridge but used kerosene instead of electricity.   Neat devices that one could have even in the "reserves".   Then we "advanced".

The red is especially significant; I'll get back to it. 


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Manufacturing needs to supply domestic market and cut import bill. This needs cheaper power, labor, capital, roads, housing and efficient retail/wholesale sector with few middlemen and redtape. Services come in here to ensure efficiency - ICT, iTax, e-commerce, etc.

Indeed.  But that is only part of it.    Here is a key point (red below connecting red above):

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Efficiency - this is driven by services and innovation. Note the MoonKi story's emphasis on the cost of doing business. To cheapen labor you need more skilled manpower in high supply. Technical colleges and e-learning can enable this by expanding education. Mobile banking expands access to cash for consumers and micro businesses. Internet connectivity (telecoms) makes market reach & advertising easy and cheap.

Workforce development: We used to have polytechnics and the like that supplemented the universities in STEM (and related areas) and also covered the lower levels that do not demand much use of the head.  We got rid of them, in favour of "universities",  of which we now have a large number.  Almost every large building in every town/city in Kenya, has a "university" on its upper floors, sandwiched between bars and shopping areas, churning out graduates in humanities and the like.   That is not the labour force that will industrialize Kenya, and that (proper workforce development) is what GoK needs to work on before propagating foolish dreams of industrialization by 2030.  How do we talk about knowhow when there are not enough people who know how?

(It's all very well to talk about e-learning, "M-PESA education", and the like.   None of it ---"e-books", digital curriculum", ... whatever---  will be a substitute for a proper educational system that takes care of the technical areas.)

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The iHubs, BPOs, economic zones, power plants, rail, roads, etc that government is doing are good. They need to encourage more big business tourism workshops like Obama visit last year; focus on smart manufacturing (value adds); reduce business redtape; partner with business to solve problems (look for market, formulate policies, source capital/reduce borrowing, etc); STOP corruption. Target a constant 10+% growth instead of the World Bank big brother oversight. Strategic planning and self determination is what works not paternalism.

Of course, all that is great and helpful.   But at the end of the day, manufacturing is about making things, and, at a minimum it requires (a) that things actually be made and, by implication, (b) people skilled enough to do the making.    Just having "economic zones, power plants, rail, roads" can, with judicious choices, help with (a), but none of it does anything for (b).   And without (b), ...

On the red: Africa is still largely a place where people dig stuff out of the ground, send it overseas for "value adding", and then pay through the nose for the final product.  (It is no surprise that many tears are being shed as Kung Fu moves away from mass manufacturing of junk.)   In Kenya, we don't have much in-the-ground stuff, so we just buy Kung Fu's junk outright and run a huge deficit in his favour.  What do we do with what we have----sisal, cotton, ...? 

I'm sure we are OK.   Or perhaps OKish.   (In Africa, Kenya has always been near the top of the class, even if it has generally been a D-/F class.)   But Vision 2030?  In light of the reality, I couldn't think of wilder dreams.   Industrialization is not like sending money from A to B.  Kenya is not suddenly going to do it on a path that has never been taken before or which has never occurred to anyone else.   

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We are OK - you MoonKi pessimist. When I see Uhuru promoting FDI in Germany and meeting SMEs in Nairobi I smile.

And the fruits of all the promoting and meeting?    What would make me smile about Uhuru's trip to Germany if he said that he had learned something about their educational system (especially the two-track aspect in technical education) and that he would be doing his best to push Kenya in a similarly helpful graduation.  (RedBlue: I have read books, listened to "motivational speakers", ... on "the power of positive thinking"---that if one thinks positively, then one can achieve anything.   True enough as far as it goes, which is not very far.   From what I have observed on Planet Earth so far, one can be "positive" 24/7, 365 per, but that is not enough.    Sensible thinking, good planning, sheer hard work, ... are necessary; in fact, a pessimist can achieve a lot with these even as his head is covered in the darkest cloud of gloom.     

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Still individual Kenyans have a big role to play not just government. Ask what you can do for your country...

Yes.   Indeed.   Precisely so.   Ask not what your country can do for you.   I have asked what I can do for my country.    As far as industrialization goes, whatever I do can is of very limited value, given a bone-headed government.   Kenya's dreams require more that just individuals asking ... and even doing ....

On a purely personal level, my attempts to "do for my country" has led to losses of money (the usual eating), lawsuits (one still ongoing, with lawyers and the judiciary eating), and all sorts of unpleasantness from the aforementioned.   And I doubt  that my experience is unique; The Beloved Country just seems to be one heck of a place.   So now I'd rather first ask what my country plans to do for itself; we can return to MOON Ki later.
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Re: South Africa, Nigeria, Angola, Kenya and such economies in trouble
« Reply #14 on: April 21, 2016, 04:33:58 PM »
Economy comes down to production, which makes productivity a very big deal. Growth and efficiency is what will cause expansion of already well balanced Kenyan economic structure.

The agriculture -> manufacturing -> services model is old school organic growth. Agriculture is based on natural land and weather. Anyone can grow stuff, only efficiency is needed to compete for the market. Our zebu beef needs to go largescale to compete with Brazil in Saudi Arabia... same as coffee, tea, pyrethrum, etc. Peasant farming is inefficient. Besides that, smart manufacturing (value add coffee, fish, beef processing) will increase revenues. This is bottom-pyramid sector that 3rd world economies need to get straight.

Manufacturing is next easy thing but more complex. It requires raw materials, high capital and technology / knowhow. Economies of scale play up here. You need smart planning. Our biggest import bill comes from everyday items like clothes, agricultural inputs, industrial equipment, household electronics, cars, etc. We can't compete on cars and machineries but we can make low-level items - wheelbarrows, toothpaste, cement, fertilizer, cookers, fridges. Don't bother with cars and earth movers. It comes down again to knowhow and efficiency. It's a free market so you can't ban the "cheap Chinese junk" otherwise Beijing will ban your leather and cut lending. Specialize and compete.

This brings us to services, which includes solid sectors on their own (tourism, BPOs, ICT products) but more so this is the driver of innovation and efficiency needed to increase competitiveness of agriculture and manufacturing. With high efficiency, our agricultural exports can expand actual market size and value add revenues. By this I mean the coffee grams per acre viz cost per gram. That is why Ndii talks of rural murram roads (cost).

Manufacturing needs to supply domestic market and cut import bill. This needs cheaper power, labor, capital, roads, housing and efficient retail/wholesale sector with few middlemen and redtape. Services come in here to ensure efficiency - ICT, iTax, e-commerce, etc.

Efficiency - this is driven by services and innovation. Note the MoonKi story's emphasis on the cost of doing business. To cheapen labor you need more skilled manpower in high supply. Technical colleges and e-learning can enable this by expanding education. Mobile banking expands access to cash for consumers and micro businesses. Internet connectivity (telcoms) makes market reach & advertising easy and cheap.

Enterprise... the more smart businesspeople and risktakers you have the better. Services sector drives efficiency which drives growth. But this needs manpower which is why Ndii talks of education/human capital while Ndemo sings infrastructure. Well they are not mutually exclusive. SMEs are how all business starts and economies grow.

The iHubs, BPOs, economic zones, power plants, rail, roads, etc that government is doing are good. They need to encourage more big business tourism workshops like Obama visit last year; focus on smart manufacturing (value adds); reduce business redtape; partner with business to solve problems (look for market, formulate policies, source capital/reduce borrowing, etc); STOP corruption. Target a constant 10+% growth instead of the World Bank big brother oversight. Strategic planning and self determination is what works not paternalism.

We are OK - you MoonKi pessimist. When I see Uhuru promoting FDI in Germany and meeting SMEs in Nairobi I smile. Still individual Kenyans have a big role to play not just government. Ask what you can do for your country...


Agriculture and/or self-sufficiency in guaranteed food seems like a must.  Where the food is coming from must be a completely settled question before a country can develop.  Manufacturing/Services can be interchangeable; what pundit likes calling leapfrogging.  Kenya's ultimate opportunity, in my opinion, seems to lie in information technology, initially of the software variety, and eventually manufacturing microchips and semiconductors.  The strategy of any serious government should be investing in the kind of infrastructure that can make Kenya a reliable destination of investments in that industry.

After establishing the core industry, the rest, such as manufacturing fridges, stoves, washing machines etc, can ride in on the windfall.  Because there will be sufficient people to buy those things.  Without the South African market, Swaziland's fridge manufacturing industry makes no sense.  The average Swazi has no electricity.
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Re: South Africa, Nigeria, Angola, Kenya and such economies in trouble
« Reply #15 on: April 21, 2016, 04:38:51 PM »
 Actually manufacturing as a percentage of overall economy hasn't been declining but has held the same percentage  meaning its growing at the same pace as the rest of the economy ndii had a good article about it here http://www.nation.co.ke/news/specials/How-scholars-miss-the-point-on-Africa-economy/-/2101466/2127168/-/3qnfr1z/-/index.html . Kenya primary manufacturing is in mainly cement,metal, and food manufacturing. Nowadays it makes more sense to setup factories in rural areas because rds are relatively good, electricity is readily available (and kplc is putting up substations everywhere cutting down on blackouts), land and labour is cheap in rural areas. Kenya might not be producing fridges or cookers soon but agri processing and food manufacturing will be a big part of the economy. In that way kenya is going to be more like Thailand than china or korea. And yes formalisation of retail sector is playing a big part in growth of light manufacturing.

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Re: South Africa, Nigeria, Angola, Kenya and such economies in trouble
« Reply #16 on: April 21, 2016, 04:51:40 PM »
Manufacturing is next easy thing but more complex. It requires raw materials, high capital and technology / knowhow. Economies of scale play up here. You need smart planning. Our biggest import bill comes from everyday items like clothes, agricultural inputs, industrial equipment, household electronics, cars, etc. We can't compete on cars and machineries but we can make low-level items - wheelbarrows, toothpaste, cement, fertilizer, cookers, fridges. Don't bother with cars and earth movers. It comes down again to knowhow and efficiency. It's a free market so you can't ban the "cheap Chinese junk" otherwise Beijing will ban your leather and cut lending. Specialize and compete.

The idea is not to ban them but to start replacing them with cheap Kenyan junk; in our times that (in most cases) is the path that has been taken to building a solid manufacturing base, with different countries taking their "turn".   On that basis, I would say the next countries to industrialize will be Vietnam, Indonesia, and the like (and not Kenya, Tanzania, Burundi and the like).   Why do I say that?

As labour costs have increased in China, people who used to "outsource" to Kung Fu (and Kung Fu  itself!)  are "outsourcing" and those other Asian countries are jumping on it.   And I don't mean shoes (as in Ethiopia), I mean everything from little bits of plastic to automotive parts and consumer electronics.   Where are Kenya and the like?  Rather than jump at Kung Fu's problems, they instead take great delight on how Kung Fu is "helping" them.   (That largely means  lending them money without too many questions---as long as they also pay for insurance on the loans---or buying their raw materials, "value-adding" to produce crap, and then making a huge profit in selling the crap right back to the Africans!)

I think we are agreed with some effort agriculture can be improved greatly. It is bottom-pyramid in terms of income and this is why it is a dismal % of developed economies. Even at its optimum the other sectors earn more.

Now, smart manufacturing aka value addition is not advanced to industrial manufacturing level. Since we have raw materials (agric, metals, etc) it requires processeing plants to purify coffee, make cod liver oil from fish, etc. Baby step ;) Instead of exporting pure hides and skins that we do at present. Doing this efficiently will a)increase revenues without being uncompetitive to market b)fulfill local demand and cut import bill.

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It's all very well to say that manufacturing is the next easy thing.    But it means making stuff.   How is Kenya doing in that?   Where are the cookers and fridges and even less demanding items?  When do we start on them.*** It's not as though we will suddenly wake up one day and start mass-producing these things.  Compared to the Asian countries (such as those I have mentioned), what particular steps are Kenya (and most of Africa) taking to ensure that will be in the next manufacturing boom?

***A memory: When I was a kid, someone was making (or perhaps just selling) fridges in Kenya.   They looked like a "regular"  fridge but used kerosene instead of electricity.   Neat devices that one could have even in the "reserves".   Then we "advanced".

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Manufacturing needs to supply domestic market and cut import bill. This needs cheaper power, labor, capital, roads, housing and efficient retail/wholesale sector with few middlemen and redtape. Services come in here to ensure efficiency - ICT, iTax, e-commerce, etc.

Indeed.  But that is only part of it.    Here is a key point (red below connecting red above):

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Efficiency - this is driven by services and innovation. Note the MoonKi story's emphasis on the cost of doing business. To cheapen labor you need more skilled manpower in high supply. Technical colleges and e-learning can enable this by expanding education. Mobile banking expands access to cash for consumers and micro businesses. Internet connectivity (telecoms) makes market reach & advertising easy and cheap.

Industrial manufacturing is actually making stuff. Yes, but it's a spectrum of complexity in skill/knowhow and economics. We had Everyday Battery. We have Firestone, EA Cables, Eldoret Fertilizer Co, etc. This is low-tech manufacturing with attendant low revenues, mostly for domestic.

Note, China does not compete with us on the low revenue stuff like fertilizer but higher volume consumables (electronics) and expensive machineries. China has beat US/western companies in cheap consumer products. They have done this with cheap labor and capital supply advantage which we (Kenya, Africa) cannot match because a)lack of knowhow b)lack of planning c)poor infrastructure d)etc

Planning determines most starts and outcomes. Once we have agriculture basics in place, the value adds in place, what part of industrial manufacturing can we take on and compete with the Chinese? Do we sit and wait for our "turn"? The SEZs being done are mostly to encourage low-tech industry (value adds) in textiles, leather, fragrance industry and such. Nothing earth shaking. Cheap low-tech manufacturing for domestic and export market where there is low competition and low revenues.

Then a step further, you have electronics, solar panels, motorbikes,?  -- slightly advanced mass market goods that cost big imports. As you go up to MORE MONEY you need advanced knowhow with stiffer competition. Where do you start and stop?

All these "levels" can be ventured with the right planning and facilitation. This is the manpower, infrastructure, capital, services -- business environment. Things are not perfect and we have to work with what we have. Visions 2000, 2020, 2030... A plan is better than nothing, yet execution is everything. Your concerned sentiment on execution is shared here.


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Workforce development: We used to have polytechnics and the like that supplemented the universities in STEM (and related areas) and also covered the lower levels that do not demand much use of the head.  We got rid of them, in favour of "universities",  of which we now have a large number.  Almost every large building in every town/city in Kenya, has a "university" on its upper floors, sandwiched between bars and shopping areas, churning out graduates in humanities and the like.   That is not the labour force that will industrialize Kenya, and that (proper workforce development) is what GoK needs to work on before propagating foolish dreams of industrialization by 2030.  How do we talk about knowhow when there are not enough people who know how?

(It's all very well to talk about e-learning, "M-PESA education", and the like.   None of it ---"e-books", digital curriculum", ... whatever---  will be a substitute for a proper educational system that takes care of the technical areas.)

Manpower. Many things matter but manpower is a key factor. It is true we had polytechnics before that were upgraded to universities. The mushrooming degree culture is driven by the burgeoning services sector with our liberalized education. Universities are offering what is marketable. This is where planning comes in, and not just education. Do you build the environment first for investors to come or vice versa? Reality dictates abit of both. To ensure two-stream system with emphasis on STEM (ala Germany) state can subsidize technical faculties to be cheap with guaranteed placements in state business. Incentives are one method. Remember for actual growth you need mass supply for cheaper cost. The tech MNCs in the country are attracted by the existing education system, give it some credit. If strategically we must manufacture on some level to industrialize, let us create the manpower for that. A good place to start is replace the humanities faculties with technical ones. The ICT, etc faculties supplying the services industry should be maintained.

E-Learning... you should imagine the ridiculous amounts doled out to EU internet colleges. This is a sizeable service import bill. Besides raising standards, we need our own online university model.

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The iHubs, BPOs, economic zones, power plants, rail, roads, etc that government is doing are good. They need to encourage more big business tourism workshops like Obama visit last year; focus on smart manufacturing (value adds); reduce business redtape; partner with business to solve problems (look for market, formulate policies, source capital/reduce borrowing, etc); STOP corruption. Target a constant 10+% growth instead of the World Bank big brother oversight. Strategic planning and self determination is what works not paternalism.

Of course, all that is great and helpful.   But at the end of the day, manufacturing is about making things, and, at a minimum it requires (a) that things actually be made and, by implication, (b) people skilled enough to do the making.    Just having "economic zones, power plants, rail, roads" can, with judicious choices, help with (a), but none of it does anything for (b).   And without (b), ...

On the red: Africa is still largely a place where people dig stuff out of the ground, send it overseas for "value adding", and then pay through the nose for the final product.  (It is no surprise that many tears are being shed as Kung Fu moves away from mass manufacturing of junk.)   In Kenya, we don't have much in-the-ground stuff, so we just buy Kung Fu's junk outright and run a huge deficit in his favour.  What do we do with what we have----sisal, cotton, ...? 

I'm sure we are OK.   Or perhaps OKish.   (In Africa, Kenya has always been near the top of the class, even if it has generally been a D-/F class.)   But Vision 2030?  In light of the reality, I couldn't think of wilder dreams.   Industrialization is not like sending money from A to B.  Kenya is not suddenly going to do it on a path that has never been taken before or which has never occurred to anyone else.   

In the end, services industry is more sustainable once the economy is developed. The agriculture and manufacturing bases are needed for muscle to rise up there. Noone has discounted a different path like the one we are on as unwise or impossible. Sadly I cannot argue for its infallibility especially in the face of our wanting execution. China is working hard to woo her skilled diaspora to return home and assist fulfill this final stretch of the Chinese dream. The polytechnic factory workers are no longer enough. Kenya needs to stymie the brain-drain too to achieve our development plans.

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We are OK - you MoonKi pessimist. When I see Uhuru promoting FDI in Germany and meeting SMEs in Nairobi I smile.

And the fruits of all the promoting and meeting?    What would make me smile about Uhuru's trip to Germany if he said that he had learned something about their educational system (especially the two-track aspect in technical education) and that he would be doing his best to push Kenya in a similarly helpful graduation.  (RedBlue: I have read books, listened to "motivational speakers", ... on "the power of positive thinking"---that if one thinks positively, then one can achieve anything.   True enough as far as it goes, which is not very far.   From what I have observed on Planet Earth so far, one can be "positive" 24/7, 365 per, but that is not enough.    Sensible thinking, good planning, sheer hard work, ... are necessary; in fact, a pessimist can achieve a lot with these even as his head is covered in the darkest cloud of gloom.     

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Still individual Kenyans have a big role to play not just government. Ask what you can do for your country...

Yes.   Indeed.   Precisely so.   Ask not what your country can do for you.   I have asked what I can do for my country.    As far as industrialization goes, whatever I do can is of very limited value, given a bone-headed government.   Kenya's dreams require more that just individuals asking ... and even doing ....

On a purely personal level, my attempts to "do for my country" has led to losses of money (the usual eating), lawsuits (one still ongoing, with lawyers and the judiciary eating), and all sorts of unpleasantness from the aforementioned.   And I doubt  that my experience is unique; The Beloved Country just seems to be one heck of a place.   So now I'd rather first ask what my country plans to do for itself; we can return to MOON Ki later.

This is the story of many. We are beginning to see diaspora products in banks and asset management. Take heart brother, someday (soon) we will be able to sing the patriotic song like the Chinese.

Ps - About Jubilee / Uhuru... these are subjectives and cannot be argued upon. Patriotism lacks sorely at the national and individual levels. Corruption is a blight that scuttles plans to be dusted at the next campaign. Chinese internal stumping efforts and the western intolerance of it should tell us something. With our brilliant paperwork, mediocre leadership is the reason we crawl rather than braze on this road to civilization.


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Re: South Africa, Nigeria, Angola, Kenya and such economies in trouble
« Reply #17 on: April 21, 2016, 05:31:33 PM »
Actually manufacturing as a percentage of overall economy hasn't been declining but has held the same percentage  meaning its growing at the same pace as the rest of the economy ndii had a good article about it here http://www.nation.co.ke/news/specials/How-scholars-miss-the-point-on-Africa-economy/-/2101466/2127168/-/3qnfr1z/-/index.html . Kenya primary manufacturing is in mainly cement,metal, and food manufacturing. Nowadays it makes more sense to setup factories in rural areas because rds are relatively good, electricity is readily available (and kplc is putting up substations everywhere cutting down on blackouts), land and labour is cheap in rural areas. Kenya might not be producing fridges or cookers soon but agri processing and food manufacturing will be a big part of the economy. In that way kenya is going to be more like Thailand than china or korea. And yes formalisation of retail sector is playing a big part in growth of light manufacturing.

I don't recall anyone saying that it has been declining.   The statement I made is that as a % of GDP it has  remained largely unchanged since independence---mostly hovering around 10% with a few flourishes above and below that.   

You say that "kenya is going to be more like Thailand than china or korea".  Really?   How much of Japanese, Korea and Chinese manufacturing is now being "outsourced" to Thailand?  And Kenya?

Here are the real questions: (a) What countries in modern times have industrialized with manufacturing at staying at that level over such a long period.   (b) If Kenya is supposed to be an exception, on what basis is that to be so?

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it makes more sense to setup factories in rural areas because roads are relatively good, electricity is readily available

I'll skip questions about how much electricity it takes to power a factory, as opposed to a small homestead in Nyalgunaga.   Instead, I will ask this: How many factories are being set up in rural Kenya?  If none, what are the plans to set up any?   (We'll do the workforce aspect later.)

I think we should be clear in noting the difference between "what makes sense"/"what we dream of" and "what is real"/"what we are working towards".
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Re: South Africa, Nigeria, Angola, Kenya and such economies in trouble
« Reply #18 on: April 21, 2016, 05:33:51 PM »
Economy comes down to production, which makes productivity a very big deal. Growth and efficiency is what will cause expansion of already well balanced Kenyan economic structure.

The agriculture -> manufacturing -> services model is old school organic growth. Agriculture is based on natural land and weather. Anyone can grow stuff, only efficiency is needed to compete for the market. Our zebu beef needs to go largescale to compete with Brazil in Saudi Arabia... same as coffee, tea, pyrethrum, etc. Peasant farming is inefficient. Besides that, smart manufacturing (value add coffee, fish, beef processing) will increase revenues. This is bottom-pyramid sector that 3rd world economies need to get straight.

Manufacturing is next easy thing but more complex. It requires raw materials, high capital and technology / knowhow. Economies of scale play up here. You need smart planning. Our biggest import bill comes from everyday items like clothes, agricultural inputs, industrial equipment, household electronics, cars, etc. We can't compete on cars and machineries but we can make low-level items - wheelbarrows, toothpaste, cement, fertilizer, cookers, fridges. Don't bother with cars and earth movers. It comes down again to knowhow and efficiency. It's a free market so you can't ban the "cheap Chinese junk" otherwise Beijing will ban your leather and cut lending. Specialize and compete.

This brings us to services, which includes solid sectors on their own (tourism, BPOs, ICT products) but more so this is the driver of innovation and efficiency needed to increase competitiveness of agriculture and manufacturing. With high efficiency, our agricultural exports can expand actual market size and value add revenues. By this I mean the coffee grams per acre viz cost per gram. That is why Ndii talks of rural murram roads (cost).

Manufacturing needs to supply domestic market and cut import bill. This needs cheaper power, labor, capital, roads, housing and efficient retail/wholesale sector with few middlemen and redtape. Services come in here to ensure efficiency - ICT, iTax, e-commerce, etc.

Efficiency - this is driven by services and innovation. Note the MoonKi story's emphasis on the cost of doing business. To cheapen labor you need more skilled manpower in high supply. Technical colleges and e-learning can enable this by expanding education. Mobile banking expands access to cash for consumers and micro businesses. Internet connectivity (telcoms) makes market reach & advertising easy and cheap.

Enterprise... the more smart businesspeople and risktakers you have the better. Services sector drives efficiency which drives growth. But this needs manpower which is why Ndii talks of education/human capital while Ndemo sings infrastructure. Well they are not mutually exclusive. SMEs are how all business starts and economies grow.

The iHubs, BPOs, economic zones, power plants, rail, roads, etc that government is doing are good. They need to encourage more big business tourism workshops like Obama visit last year; focus on smart manufacturing (value adds); reduce business redtape; partner with business to solve problems (look for market, formulate policies, source capital/reduce borrowing, etc); STOP corruption. Target a constant 10+% growth instead of the World Bank big brother oversight. Strategic planning and self determination is what works not paternalism.

We are OK - you MoonKi pessimist. When I see Uhuru promoting FDI in Germany and meeting SMEs in Nairobi I smile. Still individual Kenyans have a big role to play not just government. Ask what you can do for your country...


Agriculture and/or self-sufficiency in guaranteed food seems like a must.  Where the food is coming from must be a completely settled question before a country can develop.  Manufacturing/Services can be interchangeable; what pundit likes calling leapfrogging.  Kenya's ultimate opportunity, in my opinion, seems to lie in information technology, initially of the software variety, and eventually manufacturing microchips and semiconductors.  The strategy of any serious government should be investing in the kind of infrastructure that can make Kenya a reliable destination of investments in that industry.

After establishing the core industry, the rest, such as manufacturing fridges, stoves, washing machines etc, can ride in on the windfall.  Because there will be sufficient people to buy those things.  Without the South African market, Swaziland's fridge manufacturing industry makes no sense.  The average Swazi has no electricity.

LEAPFROG by Pundit (c) yes. Brilliant man but abit incoherent with poor English  :D :D

Manufacturing vs services whence to start. It is the chicken and the egg.

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Re: South Africa, Nigeria, Angola, Kenya and such economies in trouble
« Reply #19 on: April 21, 2016, 05:38:20 PM »
Totally agree. It kept pace with the growing economy. It just need to grow it share...sort of double...from 9-10%...to 20-30%...so it can rival agriculture...as main source of employment for starters.

There have been some really bright sparks recently. One of them is cement industry. From less than 2M tonnes 10yrs ago...we are now doing 6m...and price of cement has remained constant for some years now...if the cement industry continues like this for another 10yrs...then we will be nearly there.

Another is the agri-business industry...tea manufacturing has been doing well..although we still sell our tea in bulk...and you have all these kenyan brands in our selves...from maize flour, juices, milk products (another success story) and other kenyan products sitting proudly on supermarket shelves.


I can think about many missing links of the really basic industry...but we need to do something about our textile and leather industry...these are low hanging fruits. We should at very least be able to manufacture our clothes and shoes.

Actually manufacturing as a percentage of overall economy hasn't been declining but has held the same percentage  meaning its growing at the same pace as the rest of the economy ndii had a good article about it here http://www.nation.co.ke/news/specials/How-scholars-miss-the-point-on-Africa-economy/-/2101466/2127168/-/3qnfr1z/-/index.html . Kenya primary manufacturing is in mainly cement,metal, and food manufacturing. Nowadays it makes more sense to setup factories in rural areas because rds are relatively good, electricity is readily available (and kplc is putting up substations everywhere cutting down on blackouts), land and labour is cheap in rural areas. Kenya might not be producing fridges or cookers soon but agri processing and food manufacturing will be a big part of the economy. In that way kenya is going to be more like Thailand than china or korea. And yes formalisation of retail sector is playing a big part in growth of light manufacturing.