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Re: Donald Trump is President Elect of USA. He is going to win very big
« Reply #40 on: March 16, 2016, 05:46:35 AM »
 GOP baggers created Trump. Trump is the nominee. Next!!!
I can see USA going into a deep recession if elected president. Everyone will take their money out and keep it in Europe/China. Businesses will make sure he is not elected.

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Re: Donald Trump is President Elect of USA. He is going to win very big
« Reply #41 on: March 16, 2016, 06:43:43 AM »
Trump wins everywhere except Ohio. Rubio drops out. Now it Trump, Ted and Kasich. Key stats to watch is turn out of previously disinterested working class America who are now trooping back to voting booths after finding a candidate they can identify it. And that is trump.

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Re: Donald Trump is President Elect of USA. He is going to win very big
« Reply #42 on: March 16, 2016, 10:52:43 AM »
You mean white America.
Trump will loose big against Clinton in November that is if he gets the Republican nomination. Never in the history of the Republican party has the Republican establishment come out to condemn a Republican candidate like it has done with Trump.
Trump has abused Latinos and Blacks cannot stand him. How do you win a presidential election without these groups?

Trump wins everywhere except Ohio. Rubio drops out. Now it Trump, Ted and Kasich. Key stats to watch is turn out of previously disinterested working class America who are now trooping back to voting booths after finding a candidate they can identify it. And that is trump.

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Re: Donald Trump is President Elect of USA. He is going to win very big
« Reply #43 on: March 16, 2016, 12:09:46 PM »
Blacks are 10% and Latino maybe 20%..leaving White America at 70%. And that is group that hasn't been voting as much...and if trump wins non-liberal whites..he wins.
Facts is Trump is now winning with 40-45% in primaries...clearly somebody is voting for Trump...a  heck lots of republicans.
Trump has abused Latinos and Blacks cannot stand him. How do you win a presidential election without these groups?

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Re: Donald Trump is President Elect of USA. He is going to win very big
« Reply #44 on: March 16, 2016, 01:03:03 PM »
Blacks are 10% and Latino maybe 20%..leaving White America at 70%. And that is group that hasn't been voting as much...and if trump wins non-liberal whites..he wins.
Facts is Trump is now winning with 40-45% in primaries...clearly somebody is voting for Trump...a  heck lots of republicans.
Trump has abused Latinos and Blacks cannot stand him. How do you win a presidential election without these groups?
What is the hypothetical path to a victory for Trump?  Which states will vote red? 
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Re: Donald Trump is President Elect of USA. He is going to win very big
« Reply #45 on: March 16, 2016, 01:28:04 PM »
Blacks are 10% and Latino maybe 20%..leaving White America at 70%. And that is group that hasn't been voting as much...and if trump wins non-liberal whites..he wins.

First, not all those whites would vote for Trump.  Second, one should look at the distribution of the Electoral College votes.  Third, and most significant, you seem to ignore what the Republican Party itself thinks on the matter of minorities.   After the last elections, the party engaged in quite a bit of handwringing and then carried out a "post-mortem" on their miserable performance.   You will find the report here: 

http://goproject.gop.com/rnc_growth_opportunity_book_2013.pdf

What the report stresses, right from the git-go, is the significance of minority groups.  Of those groups, Hispanics come first, as they are considered more "Republican-malleable" than blacks.   That group is already lost: (i) all the Democrats have to do is replay audios of Trump's comments on alleged rapists, murderers, and other criminals from the south, and (ii) the GOP's efforts at stymying Obama on immigration.

If you do not have the time to read all of that, here is a quick "summary":

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/dc/6-big-takeaways-from-the-rnc-s-incredible-2012-autopsy

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2. Listen To Minorities
Much of the report is about encouraging Republicans to listen not just to Republican minorities, but to reach out to black, Hispanic, and Asian American voters in their own communities. The reason: arithmetic.
"By the year 2050 we'll be a majority-minority country and in both 2008 and 2012 President Obama won a combined 80 percent of the votes of all minority groups," RNC chair Reince Priebus said in a press conference debuting the report. "The RNC cannot and will not write off any demographic or community or region of this country."

Terminator's comment on the old "Southern strategy" was spot on: these days, there simply aren't enough rednecks in the right places (Electoral College votes) for business as usual for that party. 
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Re: Donald Trump is President Elect of USA. He is going to win very big
« Reply #46 on: March 16, 2016, 02:27:54 PM »
You guys talk as if all over sudden a republican can never win POTUS. Forgetting Obama just replaced George Dubya Bush who had an even more dubious record. Fact is republican party won the mid term and control the congress & I think even the senate. That is not a party in decline. It a party that control most of the US except in big cities where liberals, blacks and latinos dominate. Without caring to elaborate..Trump will carry most rural white dominated states....and will be just need to win both Florida and Ohio...to nick POTUS.

All the stars are aligning for Trump. In this election where folks are anti-politicians and anti-establishment, trump as the only outsider, is become more popular the more rethugs politicians cast aspersion on him. Also after liberal democract in Obama, US seem ready for another George Dubya Bush.

The more republican party top honchos refuses to endorse trump, the more popular he is becoming.

Bottomline: Blacks are overrated minority. Latinos have a long way to go. American remain a white country...and all trump need is to get the red necks interested in voting again.

What is the hypothetical path to a victory for Trump?  Which states will vote red? 

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Re: Donald Trump is President Elect of USA. He is going to win very big
« Reply #47 on: March 16, 2016, 02:31:37 PM »
If we went by the Official Rethugs line, Jeb Bush with his latino wife, would already have secured nomination. Of course, we know those guys are totally out of sync with American votes out there, considering their most hated two, Ted Cruz and Donald Trump, are leading by far, and Jeb Bush is dead as dodo.Despite all the gazillions of money they poured. Maybe they can do another report on why Jeb Bush failed.

Only Trump seem to have the handle of this. Americans are frustrated, angry and want blood.

Hillary is going to ridicolous length to appeal to black votes and she seem to have lost white votes to Sanders..Not a good sign for Hillary.

First, not all those whites would vote for Trump.  Second, one should look at the distribution of the Electoral College votes.  Third, and most significant, you seem to ignore what the Republican Party itself thinks on the matter of minorities.   After the last elections, the party engaged in quite a bit of handwringing and then carried out a "post-mortem" on their miserable performance.   You will find the report here: 

http://goproject.gop.com/rnc_growth_opportunity_book_2013.pdf

What the report stresses, right from the git-go, is the significance of minority groups.  Of those groups, Hispanics come first, as they are considered more "Republican-malleable" than blacks.   That group is already lost: (i) all the Democrats have to do is replay audios of Trump's comments on alleged rapists, murderers, and other criminals from the south, and (ii) the GOP's efforts at stymying Obama on immigration.

If you do not have the time to read all of that, here is a quick "summary":

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/dc/6-big-takeaways-from-the-rnc-s-incredible-2012-autopsy

Note Point #2:

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2. Listen To Minorities
Much of the report is about encouraging Republicans to listen not just to Republican minorities, but to reach out to black, Hispanic, and Asian American voters in their own communities. The reason: arithmetic.
"By the year 2050 we'll be a majority-minority country and in both 2008 and 2012 President Obama won a combined 80 percent of the votes of all minority groups," RNC chair Reince Priebus said in a press conference debuting the report. "The RNC cannot and will not write off any demographic or community or region of this country."

Terminator's comment on the old "Southern strategy" was spot on: these days, there simply aren't enough rednecks in the right places (Electoral College votes) for business as usual for that party. 


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Re: Donald Trump is President Elect of USA. He is going to win very big
« Reply #48 on: March 16, 2016, 04:51:41 PM »
You guys talk as if all over sudden a republican can never win POTUS. Forgetting Obama just replaced George Dubya Bush who had an even more dubious record. Fact is republican party won the mid term and control the congress & I think even the senate. That is not a party in decline. It a party that control most of the US except in big cities where liberals, blacks and latinos dominate. Without caring to elaborate..Trump will carry most rural white dominated states....and will be just need to win both Florida and Ohio...to nick POTUS.

All the stars are aligning for Trump. In this election where folks are anti-politicians and anti-establishment, trump as the only outsider, is become more popular the more rethugs politicians cast aspersion on him. Also after liberal democract in Obama, US seem ready for another George Dubya Bush.

The more republican party top honchos refuses to endorse trump, the more popular he is becoming.

Bottomline: Blacks are overrated minority. Latinos have a long way to go. American remain a white country...and all trump need is to get the red necks interested in voting again.

What is the hypothetical path to a victory for Trump?  Which states will vote red? 
That's not true.  I am just going by the polls.  On an earlier post, I actually said Hillary loses to all Republican candidates except the Donald.  Ted Cruz, Rubio, Kasich all beat Clinton in a general; at least in a popular vote terms. 

Without going into details, the mid-term demographic has always favored Republicans.  It doesn't always translate to the general election.

Every state in the US is white dominated.  The states you say he will win are red states.  Republicans win red states.  Sarah Palin brought out hordes of the same Trump supporters to stop Obama from shuckin' and jivin' his way to White House.  And they carried those states.

It's true that most whites vote Republican.  Romney got something like 59% of the white vote nationally.  I am not sure about the exact figure but that proportion goes down in Blue states.  The South has a larger proportion of blacks; the Republicans therefore have to win a lot more than 59% of the white vote in those states to carry them.  Their proportion of the white vote in blue states doesn't help them in a general(they can win congressional seats though).  Trump has to win over enough undecided whites to carry some swing states.  One can even give him Ohio, Florida, Virginia and Colorado off the bat  and he'd still lose. 

But that is really splitting hairs. The electoral college map is where you want to focus. There are all sorts of reasons for it, but some states are reliably blue, others are red and some are purple trending to blue.  The margin for error for a Republican in 2016 is thinner than it was in 2000 when Bush attracted more than just angry white voters and had some help from Ralph Nader. 

In any case not a single poll has Trump winning the general election against either democrat.  It might be too early, but that has been a pretty steady outcome.
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Re: Donald Trump is President Elect of USA. He is going to win very big
« Reply #49 on: March 16, 2016, 05:02:06 PM »
bush was different in way.. . Bush had very solid economic policies and other policies that he sold to everyone. He was a centrist on all issues even social issues in his first term. He had very key minorities in his team, Condi and Powell. He promised a lot of PORK to minorities in terms of social welfare that was going to be channeled Churches and other NGos. Bush won with democrats crossing over in big numbers in battle ground states


yes without Ralph Nader Bush wouldn't have won

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Re: Donald Trump is President Elect of USA. He is going to win very big
« Reply #50 on: March 16, 2016, 11:06:29 PM »
If we went by the Official Rethugs line, Jeb Bush with his latino wife, would already have secured nomination.

I don't know how you arrive at that conclusion.  You seem to be "mixing" the primaries (in which Trump is winning) with the general election (which is what the report is about).  You are also not taking into account the difference between "necessary conditions" and "sufficient conditions".

The people voting for Trump are pretty much all white (as is most of the party), but all those Republican (and like-minded) whites voting for him (or any other Republican)  would not be enough to win the general election.   That is the main point in the report.

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Hillary is going to ridicolous length to appeal to black votes and she seem to have lost white votes to Sanders..Not a good sign for Hillary.

Not really?   Considering his views, do you really see Sanders voters turning to vote for Trump?  The kind of people Sanders attracts don't just dislike Trump; they absolutely loathe his type.   

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If we went by the Official Rethugs line

That report came from actually talking to voters and doing a careful analysis; it wasn't some men sitting in an office and making up opinions.
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Re: Donald Trump is President Elect of USA. He is going to win very big
« Reply #51 on: March 17, 2016, 12:41:12 AM »
Dont waste time with report analysising stuff that cannot be replicated. every election is unique in it's own way. No wonder rethugs are confused. They are running this election using last election template.

As for Sanders, I doubt that only liberal white are voting for him. I think majority of those backing Sanders just hate hillary for being a system business as usual wall street phoney. And that is exactly the kind of voters Trump is attracting. Including democrats and independents who do not feel hillary business as usual.

This election is about change..not obama type change..but trump like change.


Not really?   Considering his views, do you really see Sanders voters turning to vote for Trump?  The kind of people Sanders attracts don't just dislike Trump; they absolutely loathe his type.   


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Re: Donald Trump is President Elect of USA. He is going to win very big
« Reply #52 on: March 17, 2016, 12:42:50 AM »
We will get there in due course. Bush snr. Reagan and all those republicans who won....clearly didn't need Ralph Nader dude. For now Trump is busy with primaries and once we get to elections...the choice will be clear...business as usual hillary versus Donald Trump.

That's not true.  I am just going by the polls.  On an earlier post, I actually said Hillary loses to all Republican candidates except the Donald.  Ted Cruz, Rubio, Kasich all beat Clinton in a general; at least in a popular vote terms. 

Without going into details, the mid-term demographic has always favored Republicans.  It doesn't always translate to the general election.

Every state in the US is white dominated.  The states you say he will win are red states.  Republicans win red states.  Sarah Palin brought out hordes of the same Trump supporters to stop Obama from shuckin' and jivin' his way to White House.  And they carried those states.

It's true that most whites vote Republican.  Romney got something like 59% of the white vote nationally.  I am not sure about the exact figure but that proportion goes down in Blue states.  The South has a larger proportion of blacks; the Republicans therefore have to win a lot more than 59% of the white vote in those states to carry them.  Their proportion of the white vote in blue states doesn't help them in a general(they can win congressional seats though).  Trump has to win over enough undecided whites to carry some swing states.  One can even give him Ohio, Florida, Virginia and Colorado off the bat  and he'd still lose. 

But that is really splitting hairs. The electoral college map is where you want to focus. There are all sorts of reasons for it, but some states are reliably blue, others are red and some are purple trending to blue.  The margin for error for a Republican in 2016 is thinner than it was in 2000 when Bush attracted more than just angry white voters and had some help from Ralph Nader. 

In any case not a single poll has Trump winning the general election against either democrat.  It might be too early, but that has been a pretty steady outcome.

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« Reply #53 on: March 17, 2016, 03:00:12 AM »
Dont waste time with report analysising stuff that cannot be replicated. every election is unique in it's own way. No wonder rethugs are confused. They are running this election using last election template.

It's not a matter of running an election using the last election's template or trying to replicate anything.  It's an analysis of where the votes are: the demographic shifts simply don't favour Trump.   If you wish to make a convincing argument for how he could win, you should try one in terms of Electoral-College votes; that is what I don't see in any of your statements.
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Re: Donald Trump is President Elect of USA. He is going to win very big
« Reply #54 on: March 17, 2016, 07:44:38 AM »
At this point in time, nobody had Obama electrocal college map wrapped. His idea of change we can believe in though had caught fire. The same way trump and sander idea that wall street rented lying politician time is over seem the running theme of this election. I think once trump wraps up rethug ticket, hillary will be in big trouble. Hillary has no message, is running on empty and sort of want to ran Obama 3rd term...I am assuming that she is not just pandering to black vote at this point.
It's not a matter of running an election using the last election's template or trying to replicate anything.  It's an analysis of where the votes are: the demographic shifts simply don't favour Trump.   If you wish to make a convincing argument for how he could win, you should try one in terms of Electoral-College votes; that is what I don't see in any of your statements.

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Re: Donald Trump is President Elect of USA. He is going to win very big
« Reply #55 on: March 17, 2016, 12:25:27 PM »
Every election is different...and reading this article, Trump has his game on. Appeal to 75% of voters (white) and forget about the minorities.

Trump electoral map will be unique as his campaign; he will turn previously solid blue states to red; in areas where white working class are the majority.


Trump could flip some of states like Colorado, New Hampshire, Ohio, and Pennsylvania from blue to red.


http://www.newyorker.com/news/john-cassidy/could-donald-trump-win-the-general-election

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« Reply #56 on: March 17, 2016, 12:31:56 PM »
Someone think Donald Trump just need to win the Rust belt 64 delegates states and he is in white house. And those states are lily white.Ohio, Pennsylvania, Michigan and Wisconsin.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/how-donald-trump-becomes-president_us_56cb5429e4b0928f5a6c9ead

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Re: Donald Trump is President Elect of USA. He is going to win very big
« Reply #57 on: March 17, 2016, 04:46:07 PM »
We will get there in due course. Bush snr. Reagan and all those republicans who won....clearly didn't need Ralph Nader dude. For now Trump is busy with primaries and once we get to elections...the choice will be clear...business as usual hillary versus Donald Trump.

That's not true.  I am just going by the polls.  On an earlier post, I actually said Hillary loses to all Republican candidates except the Donald.  Ted Cruz, Rubio, Kasich all beat Clinton in a general; at least in a popular vote terms. 

Without going into details, the mid-term demographic has always favored Republicans.  It doesn't always translate to the general election.

Every state in the US is white dominated.  The states you say he will win are red states.  Republicans win red states.  Sarah Palin brought out hordes of the same Trump supporters to stop Obama from shuckin' and jivin' his way to White House.  And they carried those states.

It's true that most whites vote Republican.  Romney got something like 59% of the white vote nationally.  I am not sure about the exact figure but that proportion goes down in Blue states.  The South has a larger proportion of blacks; the Republicans therefore have to win a lot more than 59% of the white vote in those states to carry them.  Their proportion of the white vote in blue states doesn't help them in a general(they can win congressional seats though).  Trump has to win over enough undecided whites to carry some swing states.  One can even give him Ohio, Florida, Virginia and Colorado off the bat  and he'd still lose. 

But that is really splitting hairs. The electoral college map is where you want to focus. There are all sorts of reasons for it, but some states are reliably blue, others are red and some are purple trending to blue.  The margin for error for a Republican in 2016 is thinner than it was in 2000 when Bush attracted more than just angry white voters and had some help from Ralph Nader. 

In any case not a single poll has Trump winning the general election against either democrat.  It might be too early, but that has been a pretty steady outcome.
You should read What's the matter with Kansas?.  In there you will find the Trumpoid.  There is a misleading narrative that they have just walked out of the woodwork because of Trump.  They have been there all along, emphatically voting against their interests, in the belief that they are denying black people welfare and government programs. 

Trump, with his birther credentials, has merely woken them up from this stupidity and now they don't need the Republican establishment or so they think.  But who else will join them?  That is Trump's dilemma.
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Re: Donald Trump is President Elect of USA. He is going to win very big
« Reply #58 on: March 17, 2016, 07:23:27 PM »
Someone think Donald Trump just need to win the Rust belt 64 delegates states and he is in white house. And those states are lily white.Ohio, Pennsylvania, Michigan and Wisconsin.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/how-donald-trump-becomes-president_us_56cb5429e4b0928f5a6c9ead

The guy has a whiteness theory on "whiteness theory" on which he bases his fantasies, and at the level of "theory", why not.  But a good knowledge of those states puts paid to that idea.   Among other things, including the voting history of those states, as the writer himself points out:

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This doesn't mean that white people in these states will all flock to Trump. Many of them are die-hard Democrats and appalled by his bigoted campaign.

That is hardly the basis on which to predict a possible Trump win. 
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Re: Donald Trump is President Elect of USA. He is going to win very big
« Reply #59 on: March 17, 2016, 07:55:45 PM »
They been there alright, but never this energized. Now they've got their own in Trump. And they are turning in record numbers including democracts and independent leaning redneck for The Donald Tramp.

If you look at record turn out of these guys in primaries and in rallies, you should be very worried, that the real majority, the america white non-college graduate working class are intend on voting trump.

Bottomline; every election has it's dynamic. If somebody said Obama would win in 08, he would have been laughed off. Now it's Trump time.

It obvious Trump has a clear path to victory, carry all the white majority states in the south, mid-west, upper and rust belt...and it going to be easy considering Hillary is struggling with same demographisc..and all tramp need is record turn out of white working class folks and few sanders democrats & independents...who do not trust Hillary.

You should read What's the matter with Kansas?.  In there you will find the Trumpoid.  There is a misleading narrative that they have just walked out of the woodwork because of Trump.  They have been there all along, emphatically voting against their interests, in the belief that they are denying black people welfare and government programs. 

Trump, with his birther credentials, has merely woken them up from this stupidity and now they don't need the Republican establishment or so they think.  But who else will join them?  That is Trump's dilemma.