Indian Deal....Solution to Cancer

[mya88]

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I don't think this is the solution to our problem. We cannot even afford to pay our local healthcare providers that is why there are strikes every year, yet we have money to pay foreign doctors?

[Georgesoros]

Mya
There is significant shortages in medical specialities and if that can be imported so be it. It should be a short term fix not long term. Nairobi Hospital is building a huge wing specially for cancer they need specialists badly.

[Globalcitizen12]

Uhuru is a moron. He a neocolonial neophyte leading an emerging country. What Kenya needs is ability to manufacture drugs at  low cost. We can grow Heroine and other needed plants to make level CII drugs/Narcotics such as morphine for  purposes of pain management. What this bozo should look into in how we can acquire the relevant technologies to start producing these drugs locally. On AIDS we need to find a way to manufacture ARVs locally. Brazil and India has acquired patents or reverse engineered them with a lot of success.

TB we need to manufacture these drugs locally. If we can produce beer I do not see why we cannot bake yeast to produce antibiotics..

Otherwise this corrupt regime should back and go back to the drinking dens it came from

As for now a military medical approach to cancer should be used. For advanced cancers patients should be encouraged to take palliative care and stop wasting resources seeking a nonexistent cure in India or elsewhere

In Cancer there is several treatments " CUT; poison the malignant cells. period. you do not need Indians to cut or to administer Chemo IVs..

[Kim Jong-Un's Pajama Pants]

What's the real problem with cancer in Kenya?  Is it lack of specialists?  Equipment? 

I recently read about this Kenyan media personality who was only diagnosed with lung cancer after a trip to India.  Are Kenyan medics that clueless or is cancer just something very difficult to diagnose?

[Globalcitizen12]

Lack of right medical procedures to be followed.. ie lab work and simple diagnosis test ..usually these Indian voyagers get diagnosed in Nairobi but there no inexpensive treatments in Nairobi so India becomes the solution.  The other thing is most of these patients are waiting until end stage to go to hospital

[Georgesoros]

AM not sure most Kenyan doctors train on diagnosis.

What's the real problem with cancer in Kenya?  Is it lack of specialists?  Equipment? 

I recently read about this Kenyan media personality who was only diagnosed with lung cancer after a trip to India.  Are Kenyan medics that clueless or is cancer just something very difficult to diagnose?

[Georgesoros]

Its people like you who can invest in diagnosis equipment. That will help a lot. Also, all docs will needs to train on right protocols.

Lack of right medical procedures to be followed.. ie lab work and simple diagnosis test ..usually these Indian voyagers get diagnosed in Nairobi but there no inexpensive treatments in Nairobi so India becomes the solution.  The other thing is most of these patients are waiting until end stage to go to hospital

[mya88]

Mya
There is significant shortages in medical specialities and if that can be imported so be it. It should be a short term fix not long term. Nairobi Hospital is building a huge wing specially for cancer they need specialists badly.

Park
There are significant shortages of specialists all over the world, but is it really specialists we need to revamp the healthcare system? How many people will be able to afford these specialists? Cancer is becoming an epidemic in Kenya, as a first, the government should have invested in data to find out why that is the case, if at all they are serious about this......... ie GMO foods, Fertilizer, pesticide, steroids in Animals etc....... and mitigated the cause.

After we import the specialist, do we have the equipment and drugs to do the job in Kenya? I feel like majority of Kenyans can barely afford to see a regular doctor. Cancer is rampant. A few specialist may help they few who can afford it but the majority will still be on their own. Kenyan universities produce MD's in plenty each year, why not invests in training them to be specialist in India and returning home?

Short-term fix...maybe, but its still a Band-Aid solution

[mya88]

What's the real problem with cancer in Kenya?  Is it lack of specialists?  Equipment? 

I recently read about this Kenyan media personality who was only diagnosed with lung cancer after a trip to India.  Are Kenyan medics that clueless or is cancer just something very difficult to diagnose?

Both. High tech equipment are necessary to run the test but a trained radiologist must read it and the specialist must know additional test to undertake to diagnose indefinitely or rule out. The fragmented healthcare system in Kenya leaves much to chance diagnoses. But it can be missed even with some of the best anywhere. Problem in Kenya is first access, cost, serious MD's and good state of the art equipment.......all very affordable given the bulk of money being looted in Kenya

[Globalcitizen12]

that is why a military approach to this disease the best way forward. At Kijabe hospital any advance cancer ailment is not treated but patient is advised to seek palliative care. Such is a sensible approach. Not all ailments are worthy pursuing cure for since the outcome is almost definitely gonna be death so the choice is how do you want to die. Do you want to die in india getting chemo or die at home surrounded by family with most of your body intact

[RVtitem]

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I don't think this is the solution to our problem. We cannot even afford to pay our local healthcare providers that is why there are strikes every year, yet we have money to pay foreign doctors?

I have some friends trained doctors who cannot secure job in Kenya. How do you explain it? One of them trained in one of top university in europe.

Its akin to saying that our roads are bad because we lack engineers. Well, it's the same case, i.e. there are tons of jobless engineers trained with public money in kenya.

This problem is something else. Uhuru has no idea of what he is doing.

[jakoyo]

unlike most medical conditions, cancer treatment is very complex and requires highly specialised multidiscplinary approach. You need a team of oncologist , radialogists , histopathologists , pharmacist sitting together and planning treatment. Kenya has a very chaotic , haphazard individualistic approach to managing cancer.

Kenya has no national guidelines on managing cancer. Every body does his /her own stuff. If you are diagnosed with cancer , better go to India or South Africa. Your survival chances will be better.

Institutions like Nairobi hospital and aga khan will never address the cancer problems in kenya. They see money . once money rans out they kick you out. Now they are swindling govt for investment funds under pretext that they will offers state of art treatment to ordinary mwana inchi. That will never happen.


Best start is for kenya to have role out a robust screening program me , offer vaccination against virus mediated cancers like liver cancer, cervical cancer .
Discorage smoking  and changaa , educate public on early warning signs so they seek check up early, etc


Identify 4 regional centers around country and invest heavily on  cancer diagnostic and therapeutics. Bring cancer specialists from India, South Africa , Europe , America to offer their skills on contracts etc.

[Kim Jong-Un's Pajama Pants]

unlike most medical conditions, cancer treatment is very complex and requires highly specialised multidiscplinary approach. You need a team of oncologist , radialogists , histopathologists , pharmacist sitting together and planning treatment. Kenya has a very chaotic , haphazard individualistic approach to managing cancer.

Kenya has no national guidelines on managing cancer. Every body does his /her own stuff. If you are diagnosed with cancer , better go to India or South Africa. Your survival chances will be better.

Institutions like Nairobi hospital and aga khan will never address the cancer problems in kenya. They see money . once money rans out they kick you out. Now they are swindling govt for investment funds under pretext that they will offers state of art treatment to ordinary mwana inchi. That will never happen.


Best start is for kenya to have role out a robust screening program me , offer vaccination against virus mediated cancers like liver cancer, cervical cancer .
Discorage smoking  and changaa , educate public on early warning signs so they seek check up early, etc


Identify 4 regional centers around country and invest heavily on  cancer diagnostic and therapeutics. Bring cancer specialists from India, South Africa , Europe , America to offer their skills on contracts etc.

And if the regional centers are too expensive, maybe one can have faith in the East African Negro to pool resources and create one such center in each country.

[mya88]

unlike most medical conditions, cancer treatment is very complex and requires highly specialised multidiscplinary approach. You need a team of oncologist , radialogists , histopathologists , pharmacist sitting together and planning treatment. Kenya has a very chaotic , haphazard individualistic approach to managing cancer.

Kenya has no national guidelines on managing cancer. Every body does his /her own stuff. If you are diagnosed with cancer , better go to India or South Africa. Your survival chances will be better.

Institutions like Nairobi hospital and aga khan will never address the cancer problems in kenya. They see money . once money rans out they kick you out. Now they are swindling govt for investment funds under pretext that they will offers state of art treatment to ordinary mwana inchi. That will never happen.


Best start is for kenya to have role out a robust screening program me , offer vaccination against virus mediated cancers like liver cancer, cervical cancer .
Discorage smoking  and changaa , educate public on early warning signs so they seek check up early, etc


Identify 4 regional centers around country and invest heavily on  cancer diagnostic and therapeutics. Bring cancer specialists from India, South Africa , Europe , America to offer their skills on contracts etc.

And if the regional centers are too expensive, maybe one can have faith in the East African Negro to pool resources and create one such center in each country.

I think we have the resources to invest on cancer treatment centers....I just don't think it is a priority enough for those in charge. No one seems to be in charge of anything. This new TZ president, I see him doing big thinks for his country. I will not be surprised if in future all roads start leading to TZ for such treatments.

[mya88]

unlike most medical conditions, cancer treatment is very complex and requires highly specialised multidiscplinary approach. You need a team of oncologist , radialogists , histopathologists , pharmacist sitting together and planning treatment. Kenya has a very chaotic , haphazard individualistic approach to managing cancer.

Kenya has no national guidelines on managing cancer. Every body does his /her own stuff. If you are diagnosed with cancer , better go to India or South Africa. Your survival chances will be better.

Institutions like Nairobi hospital and aga khan will never address the cancer problems in kenya. They see money . once money rans out they kick you out. Now they are swindling govt for investment funds under pretext that they will offers state of art treatment to ordinary mwana inchi. That will never happen.


Best start is for kenya to have role out a robust screening program me , offer vaccination against virus mediated cancers like liver cancer, cervical cancer .
Discorage smoking  and changaa , educate public on early warning signs so they seek check up early, etc


Identify 4 regional centers around country and invest heavily on  cancer diagnostic and therapeutics. Bring cancer specialists from India, South Africa , Europe , America to offer their skills on contracts etc.

Jakoyo, are those institution supposed to be addressing the cancer problems in Kenya? Are they equipped with tools to take on cancer? Are they private or government funded?

[gout]

Issues like cancer, terrorism lifting the lid on our stinking morally bankrupt  corrupt society and institutions.

Nobody wants to talk about where this cancer is coming from -is it our water, food systems, what has changed so dramatically in the last few years??? Further nobody wants to talk of inability of our run down public and even expensive private to diagnose properly

We are all about deals to make quick bucks

[Georgesoros]

Some cancers are very easy to treat while others are non treatable. Investing in diagnosis is key to treatment. I have heard of people getting misdiagnosed for months while the disease takes shape. This is inhuman. There is no protocol on most disease management and the few that have patients are mostly non compliant. They only see docs when sick.

[jakoyo]

Cancers has always been there. But with the population increase , people living longer , better diagnosis ( on average) ,  and more public awareness , and publicity peppered with rhetoric and emotions , we are hearing people screaming ' cancer epidemic'

We don't have a central registry that collects all data on all cancer diagnoses.  Nobody in Kenya will give you a clear analysis on the incidence , prevalence , associated factors and treatment out comes on cancer in Kenya. In Europe , cancer is managed under clinical  networks

Issues like cancer, terrorism lifting the lid on our stinking morally bankrupt  corrupt society and institutions.

Nobody wants to talk about where this cancer is coming from -is it our water, food systems, what has changed so dramatically in the last few years??? Further nobody wants to talk of inability of our run down public and even expensive private to diagnose properly

We are all about deals to make quick bucks

[jakoyo]

These hospitals will have most of the diagnostic equipments and specialists. But these clinicians work very independently and in isolation with very big egos who do not communicate well , charge extortionate fees . I know how Nairobi Hospital operates in out.  If you have a serious illness that would required in put and teamwork from different specialists and if your treatment is likely to be a long one , RAN AWAY FROM NAIROBI HOSPITAL.

unlike most medical conditions, cancer treatment is very complex and requires highly specialised multidiscplinary approach. You need a team of oncologist , radialogists , histopathologists , pharmacist sitting together and planning treatment. Kenya has a very chaotic , haphazard individualistic approach to managing cancer.

Kenya has no national guidelines on managing cancer. Every body does his /her own stuff. If you are diagnosed with cancer , better go to India or South Africa. Your survival chances will be better.

Institutions like Nairobi hospital and aga khan will never address the cancer problems in kenya. They see money . once money rans out they kick you out. Now they are swindling govt for investment funds under pretext that they will offers state of art treatment to ordinary mwana inchi. That will never happen.


Best start is for kenya to have role out a robust screening program me , offer vaccination against virus mediated cancers like liver cancer, cervical cancer .
Discorage smoking  and changaa , educate public on early warning signs so they seek check up early, etc


Identify 4 regional centers around country and invest heavily on  cancer diagnostic and therapeutics. Bring cancer specialists from India, South Africa , Europe , America to offer their skills on contracts etc.

Jakoyo, are those institution supposed to be addressing the cancer problems in Kenya? Are they equipped with tools to take on cancer? Are they private or government funded?

[jakoyo]

@ Myaa,

I watched TZ president visit the referal hospital and so the horrors. He was very touched. His eyes were teary. I think TZ has got a great leader. I hope he gets the economic policy right and spur TZ to prosperity.

unlike most medical conditions, cancer treatment is very complex and requires highly specialised multidiscplinary approach. You need a team of oncologist , radialogists , histopathologists , pharmacist sitting together and planning treatment. Kenya has a very chaotic , haphazard individualistic approach to managing cancer.

Kenya has no national guidelines on managing cancer. Every body does his /her own stuff. If you are diagnosed with cancer , better go to India or South Africa. Your survival chances will be better.

Institutions like Nairobi hospital and aga khan will never address the cancer problems in kenya. They see money . once money rans out they kick you out. Now they are swindling govt for investment funds under pretext that they will offers state of art treatment to ordinary mwana inchi. That will never happen.


Best start is for kenya to have role out a robust screening program me , offer vaccination against virus mediated cancers like liver cancer, cervical cancer .
Discorage smoking  and changaa , educate public on early warning signs so they seek check up early, etc


Identify 4 regional centers around country and invest heavily on  cancer diagnostic and therapeutics. Bring cancer specialists from India, South Africa , Europe , America to offer their skills on contracts etc.

And if the regional centers are too expensive, maybe one can have faith in the East African Negro to pool resources and create one such center in each country.

I think we have the resources to invest on cancer treatment centers....I just don't think it is a priority enough for those in charge. No one seems to be in charge of anything. This new TZ president, I see him doing big thinks for his country. I will not be surprised if in future all roads start leading to TZ for such treatments.