Instant fines...for minor traffic offences

[RV Pundit]

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[Georgesoros]

It's better than being dragged into court which is itself dysfunctional

[RV Pundit]

Far better...and gov will get more revenues..although our thoroughly corrupt traffic cops will still game this.

It's better than being dragged into court which is itself dysfunctional

[Globalcitizen12]

If they can have MPesha arrangement then the better. On corrupt traffic police just enforce a fire on spot for anyone caught soliciting bribes and jail term for the briber

[MOON Ki]

A "noble" effort but ultimately of dubious worth: technology cannot make up for moral deficits in humans, and the NYS case (with the fancy computer systems) is more than sufficient to prove this.  Here, consider this as an example

A fine of Sh7,000 will apply to those driving without a valid driving licence [sic] in respect of the class of vehicle they are trained for

What happens when the copper says "you can pay the Sh. 7,000 to GoK or you can pay me Sh. 3,000 here and now"?

Globalcitizen12 suggests that

On corrupt traffic police just enforce a fire on spot for anyone caught soliciting bribes and jail term for the bribe

Setting aside the legal issues that would be involved with "fire on the spot", how many coppers soliciting bribes ever face any real consequences (e.g. serious court cases)?

Corruption in Kenya will continue as long as those at the top continue to "lead" full-steam-ahead.  The small fish are only following the examples that they see.

[gout]

technology is the best hope of dealing with corruption ...the trail of money is easy to track... IFMIS has so much information that there is no need for trips to CID or EACC or perusal of thousands of files...  police vetting MPesa statements

[veritas]

This is terrible. The police already stop vehicles for no reason other than to collect a bribe. It should be mandatory for all police officers in Kenya to wear a surveillance device.

[Globalcitizen12]

veritas,
Kenyan police has no budget for cameras, the force can barely keep water running in officers barracks. We just need very vigilant supervisory system and internal mechanism of whistle blowing to at least reduce graft

[MOON Ki]

technology is the best hope of dealing with corruption ...the trail of money is easy to track... IFMIS has so much information that there is no need for trips to CID or EACC or perusal of thousands of files...  police vetting MPesa statements

Yes, the trail is easy to track.    But how exactly does it help in dealing with corruption if nothing is then done?   IFMIS appears to have had "tracks" on the NYS scams.   Excellent.   Has any of the tracked money been returned?   Has anybody been taken to court?   Is there the slightest hint that the use of IFMIS has deterred anyone from their usual looting?   What corruption has been "dealt" with?

[veritas]

veritas,
Kenyan police has no budget for cameras, the force can barely keep water running in officers barracks. We just need very vigilant supervisory system and internal mechanism of whistle blowing to at least reduce graft

Omg, the camera is like $5. I'm releasing my little kits in a couple weeks, and it'll be like less then $20 DIY surveillance camera using wifi tech buttoned to your shirt. That's like dirt cheap investment for constant visual stream monitoring.

I welcome anyone to purchase my little kits.

Check this out. I'm trying to replicate this.

[Georgesoros]

Veritas,
These guys have no vehicles and you are talking cameras?
It may be $5 but they will need techies to administer these devices + Waigurus to take a cut thus inflating the actual price.

[veritas]

When did a vehicle cost less than $5 ? You know what would be an interesting investment? Mini surveillance cameras hooked outside police vehicles without police knowing. Constant video feed. Put it on youtube. Expose corruption.

[Real P]

Los Angeles Police just handed out body cameras to its first patrol division at the end of August. Why not Kenyan Police? I believe policemen/women should have no control over the cameras while on duty, video should be available to the public for review without a request and recordings of all official public duties should be recorded or evidence can be considered hearsay. That is my prerogative

[veritas]

Exactly.

[Globalcitizen12]

veritas,
Kenya police service is so poor and in bad shape that it needs about $3 billion dollars to upgrade its infrastructure. Most of the police stations have no working radio communication. So where will the videos be hosted? who will provide the servers and storage that is need to store all the videos? As of now what Kenya needs to is pay cops well then just fire the dead wood.

On corruption it can only end when the cost benefit of losing a job is higher.

[Real P]

veritas,
Kenya police service is so poor and in bad shape that it needs about $3 billion dollars to upgrade its infrastructure. Most of the police stations have no working radio communication. So where will the videos be hosted? who will provide the servers and storage that is need to store all the videos? As of now what Kenya needs to is pay cops well then just fire the dead wood.

On corruption it can only end when the cost benefit of losing a job is higher.

You sound like a typical mwafrika (excuses after excuses).

Devolve Police departments and give multimillion shilling tenders to the best bidder and problem solved.  Veritas is willing to provide a cheap out body cameras to Police departments that are willing to fight corruption.

[Globalcitizen12]

You need to amend constitution to be able to devolve police. Veritas is not willing to give cameras but she is willing to sell them. Corruption can be fought by proper supervision and accountability   ..internal and external police oversight can work ..I think kehnsta is arresting corrupt traffic police and this is having an impact

[Real P]

 

You need to amend constitution to be able to devolve police. Veritas is not willing to give cameras but she is willing to sell them. Corruption can be fought by proper supervision and accountability   ..internal and external police oversight can work ..I think kehnsta is arresting corrupt traffic police and this is having an impact

When did "cheap", mean free. I don't think ehnsta is doing enough. Anyway, Kenyan constitution is warped, and need a change or greasepaint and not shill-shallying. That said, I hope the Central government can devolve the police departments

[Globalcitizen12]

Government won't devolve security because that is aGainst the law

[Real P]

Government won't devolve security because that is aGainst the law