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Monica Juma Rejected? Something Does Not Add Up
« on: June 11, 2015, 08:54:58 PM »
Uhuru just lamely expressed disappointment at Monica's rejection. I do not believe Uhuru has lost his stranglehold over GEMA and URP MPs. This is a well staged melodrama.
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http://www.standardmedia.co.ke/article/2000165357/uhuru-disappointed-by-mps-decision-to-reject-monica-juma
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Re: Monica Juma Rejected? Something Does Not Add Up
« Reply #1 on: June 11, 2015, 10:28:47 PM »
Is she a Luhya or from the coast?  For better or worse, these are the key questions to ask to understand these events in Kenya.
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Re: Monica Juma Rejected? Something Does Not Add Up
« Reply #2 on: June 11, 2015, 10:40:54 PM »
This is a well staged melodrama.

Of course, it is.   But, in this one, they deserve marks for some deftness.
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Re: Monica Juma Rejected? Something Does Not Add Up
« Reply #3 on: June 11, 2015, 11:49:06 PM »
Is she a Luhya or from the coast?  For better or worse, these are the key questions to ask to understand these events in Kenya.
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Re: Monica Juma Rejected? Something Does Not Add Up
« Reply #4 on: June 12, 2015, 07:14:48 AM »
I don't see any intrigues. Dr Juma had to be taught a lesson to respect parliament. She ought not have written that letter to the clerk of assembly.

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Re: Monica Juma Rejected? Something Does Not Add Up
« Reply #5 on: June 12, 2015, 11:12:12 AM »
I don't see any intrigues. Dr Juma had to be taught a lesson to respect parliament. She ought not have written that letter to the clerk of assembly.
Come to think of it, that was gross and reckless. She should have known what will come out of it.

BTW are we back to the days when mandarins routinely treated MPs as street sweepers? GG Kariithi is known to have refused to meet MPs; Gethi met JM's PSC with Moi in it in the corridor, looked at his watch throughout the meeting and left when he wished; Kiereini and Nyachae never bothered to meet Parliamentary committees. No excuse no pretence.

Even earlier, I read (as I research slowly) Joginder Singh Sokhi, Sharad Rao, Butch and a few other Indians under Njonjo were a power and to themselves. If an MP tabled a bill that Njonjo did not like or asked a question that irked Njonjo, Sokhi would make an appearance and the MP would take the cue and stay out of the chamber. Questions are not answered when the Questioner is absent.
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Re: Monica Juma Rejected? Something Does Not Add Up
« Reply #6 on: June 12, 2015, 01:41:28 PM »
I think she lacked the tact to deal with parliament...which is top role for such a position...considering the new constitutional dispensation. Good lesson for others.What did she think the clerk of assembly will do..cane mps :). She was not ready for the top job. I think you can ignore MPS demands without sounding like headmistress of local school.
Come to think of it, that was gross and reckless. She should have known what will come out of it.

BTW are we back to the days when mandarins routinely treated MPs as street sweepers? GG Kariithi is known to have refused to meet MPs; Gethi met JM's PSC with Moi in it in the corridor, looked at his watch throughout the meeting and left when he wished; Kiereini and Nyachae never bothered to meet Parliamentary committees. No excuse no pretence.

Even earlier, I read (as I research slowly) Joginder Singh Sokhi, Sharad Rao, Butch and a few other Indians under Njonjo were a power and to themselves. If an MP tabled a bill that Njonjo did not like or asked a question that irked Njonjo, Sokhi would make an appearance and the MP would take the cue and stay out of the chamber. Questions are not answered when the Questioner is absent.

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Re: Monica Juma Rejected? Something Does Not Add Up
« Reply #7 on: June 12, 2015, 02:43:53 PM »
She had issues going by IPOA Michael Njeru (who has been one of few guys around working).
http://www.nation.co.ke/news/Ipoa-says-Monica-wrote-another-rude-letter/-/1056/2749314/-/yr5sv4z/-/index.html

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Re: Monica Juma Rejected? Something Does Not Add Up
« Reply #8 on: June 12, 2015, 03:32:32 PM »
We once had a run in with the Board. It was composed of old, well meaning but self important individuals. The CEO acted without their approval and they gave him an ultimatum. He was to rescind the decision. He did. Then they demanded an apology. And that is where kiliumana! A CEO to apologize before his staff and so on...??

The old guys stuck to their guns and called the Executive Council, ostensibly to receive the apology.

That is when the companies that had suffered from the recall of the decision came in to advice the guy. They sent a wise Scottish man about to retire. We in Senior Management came in  to listen. I recall his words very clearly and have applied them ever since.

He gave the analogy of boys playing football. Then one kicks the ball and it does not even break the glass but goes through the window and overturns the salt holder along with shocking mom and pop as they entertained guests. Pop grabs the ball knowing you will go for it. Of course you send younger bro. Pop expected that. He refuses to surrender the ball and demands that the guy who hit the ball must come for it.

You know its you and if you turn up, you'll get smacked. You are not afraid of the smacking... nah.. you fear the shame of being smacked before your peers.

But then there is your team. The match has a real prize - contributed by all the boys. You will be blamed if the match and prize is forfeited. After much thought, you decide to go please your dad and continue with the match.

You walk in kneel down and earnestly and sincerely beg for forgiveness. Pop is overpowered. He didn't see that coming. He hands over the ball. You continue as if nothing happened.

Juma lacks humility. That has brought her down.

I am not saying he should pay the bribes. But she can find ways of being civil.

She had issues going by IPOA Michael Njeru (who has been one of few guys around working).
http://www.nation.co.ke/news/Ipoa-says-Monica-wrote-another-rude-letter/-/1056/2749314/-/yr5sv4z/-/index.html
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Re: Monica Juma Rejected? Something Does Not Add Up
« Reply #9 on: June 15, 2015, 03:46:19 PM »
I disagree. Lawmakers should not interfere in function of the executive. Kenyatta should have told them not to demand favors from those working for govt. He is a weak bastard who has led the country to rot. Kibaki told them NO.

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Re: Monica Juma Rejected? Something Does Not Add Up
« Reply #10 on: June 15, 2015, 04:37:38 PM »
Parliament is a political organ who make political decision. Monica Juma failed the political test. There is no where written in law where Mps are required to be objective or fair. There are no law courts. They are political animals who vet those top dogs.

Monica Juma has no future in the position Uhuru nominated her for and should be given another job where she sits behind as policy wonk.

CIC led by Nyachae have shown themselves to be out of depth by thinking judiciary can somehow overrule parliament.

The job was a privilege..not a right.

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Re: Monica Juma Rejected? Something Does Not Add Up
« Reply #11 on: June 15, 2015, 05:05:53 PM »
Parliament is a political organ who make political decision. Monica Juma failed the political test. There is no where written in law where Mps are required to be objective or fair. There are no law courts. They are political animals who vet those top dogs.

Monica Juma has no future in the position Uhuru nominated her for and should be given another job where she sits behind as policy wonk.

CIC led by Nyachae have shown themselves to be out of depth by thinking judiciary can somehow overrule parliament.

The job was a privilege..not a right.
There is only so much one can tweak laws to get a desired outcome.  Ultimately, it is the primates you have that give laws life.  Fairness is a test they should apply; it shouldn't be required by law.  But in Kenya, the only things that people follow have to be written in law.  Even those are usually flouted with impunity.
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Re: Monica Juma Rejected? Something Does Not Add Up
« Reply #12 on: June 15, 2015, 05:14:17 PM »
The fairness was that majority Mps rejected her. The assumption is that not so many primates can be unfair to someone. Mps are like voters. They can never be unfair. You cannot take Mps or Voters to court for not vetting or electing you even if you had the best CV in town.

Mps are the nearest you can get to a voter in Gov affairs. They are super voters elected to represent voters. That is why to me chapter six should never apply to them. They are the people.

Besides if Uhuru want her so much..he knows what to do to mps..lobby them..call them to statehouse and have nyama-choma-beer before voting. Uhuru is also a politician and if the best shot he gave was to call Duale and Kuria..that shows he really didn't want her that much.

The idea that MP or voter has to be objective or fair or etc for me doesn't exist. They are allowed to simply vote. Without putting the reason for voting for or against. That is how parliament make their decisions...whole house vote...including those barely literate.

There is only so much one can tweak laws to get a desired outcome.  Ultimately, it is the primates you have that give laws life.  Fairness is a test they should apply; it shouldn't be required by law.  But in Kenya, the only things that people follow have to be written in law.  Even those are usually flouted with impunity.

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Re: Monica Juma Rejected? Something Does Not Add Up
« Reply #13 on: June 15, 2015, 05:35:07 PM »
Parliament is no obliged to disclose reasons for rejecting a candidate. The reasons being cited by CIC are mere statements made on the floor by individual MPs and were never voted upon to be adapted and thus become Parliament's Opinion. The motion was all about confirming Juma. To be precise MPs were asked whether they support the report of the Select Committee that rejected Juma. They agreed and that was the end of the matter.

Matemu was rejected but the committees findings were rejected and an amendment created a counter motion which passed.

As Pundit says, the mood was such that there was no hope. It is said that whenever two demons agree on something if you are in the middle, find God fast! Jubilee MPs and CORD Mps agreed on something and Juma simply failed to find God in time.
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Re: Monica Juma Rejected? Something Does Not Add Up
« Reply #14 on: June 15, 2015, 05:40:37 PM »
Omollo, the committees are procedural nuance that really mean nothing output wise; the whole house makes the final call; they can even decide not to waste time when they get a name and just vote; like they wasted time with Juma...but their decision will be binding and cannot be overturned. Of course they have to be fair to her by listening to her..before declaring "She lacks a practical approach in dealing with the public and its elected representatives." :lol: :lol:  that has to top Matemu "he lacks passion for the job". :lol:
Parliament is no obliged to disclose reasons for rejecting a candidate. The reasons being cited by CIC are mere statements made on the floor by individual MPs and were never voted upon to be adapted and thus become Parliament's Opinion. The motion was all about confirming Juma. To be precise MPs were asked whether they support the report of the Select Committee that rejected Juma. They agreed and that was the end of the matter.

Matemu was rejected but the committees findings were rejected and an amendment created a counter motion which passed.

As Pundit says, the mood was such that there was no hope. It is said that whenever two demons agree on something if you are in the middle, find God fast! Jubilee MPs and CORD Mps agreed on something and Juma simply failed to find God in time.

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Re: Monica Juma Rejected? Something Does Not Add Up
« Reply #15 on: June 15, 2015, 05:46:49 PM »
I agreed with you. They use committees to milk the taxpayer. It was an opportunity to be bribed.

Remember Wetangula openly asking Marende for time so he could lobby MPs and the knowing laughter that followed? The Motion went nowhere. He bought the entire parliament. Those who were too ashamed to make an about face simply stayed away.

That said, where are we going with this behavior? How will it end?
Omollo, the committees are procedural nuance that really mean nothing output wise; the whole house makes the final call; they can even decide not to waste time when they get a name and just vote; like they wasted time with Juma...but their decision will be binding and cannot be overturned. Of course they have to be fair to her by listening to her..before declaring "She lacks a practical approach in dealing with the public and its elected representatives." :lol: :lol:  that has to top Matemu "he lacks passion for the job". :lol:
Parliament is no obliged to disclose reasons for rejecting a candidate. The reasons being cited by CIC are mere statements made on the floor by individual MPs and were never voted upon to be adapted and thus become Parliament's Opinion. The motion was all about confirming Juma. To be precise MPs were asked whether they support the report of the Select Committee that rejected Juma. They agreed and that was the end of the matter.

Matemu was rejected but the committees findings were rejected and an amendment created a counter motion which passed.

As Pundit says, the mood was such that there was no hope. It is said that whenever two demons agree on something if you are in the middle, find God fast! Jubilee MPs and CORD Mps agreed on something and Juma simply failed to find God in time.
... [the ICC case] will be tried in Europe, where due procedure and expertise prevail.; ... Second-guessing Ocampo and fantasizing ..has obviously become a national pastime.- NattyDread