Does GoK Control NEP At All?

[Omollo]

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Is it worth it? Exactly what is the country gaining from being in Somalia? It has moved from Operation Linda Nchi to Operation Bomoa Nchi. Now students are joining teachers and other civil servants to stay away.

http://www.the-star.co.ke/news/turn-garissa-university-military-base-sossion-tells-state-after-al-shabaab-massacre#sthash.HKnwIct6.dpuf

[RV Pundit]

It doesn't. And that was one of main risk for us going into Somalia..while NEP remained embittered and marginalized for generations. If we needed a buffer with Somalia..we had one..in NEP.

Can AMISON or KDF really defeat Alshabab..mm outside the main towns and ports..the answer is an obvious NO.

We are looking at 20yrs plus of low key guerrilla style attacks from Alshaabab and their kenyan sympathisers mostly in NEP and Coast.

[MOON Ki]

It doesn't. And that was one of main risk for us going into Somalia..while NEP remained embittered and marginalized for generations. If we needed a buffer with Somalia..we had one..in NEP.

Can AMISON or KDF really defeat Alshabab..mm outside the main towns and ports..the answer is an obvious NO.

We are looking at 20yrs plus of low key guerrilla style attacks from Alshaabab and their kenyan sympathisers mostly in NEP and Coast.

Exactly.   Why are they "embittered and marginalized for generations"?   Dealing with that, openly and honestly, would be a good start.     Things like the Wagalla Massacre are not going to disappear from memory just like that. And these are not shifta days; now one or two people can cause serious damage and terror in the population.

One thing that GoK needs to seriously & urgently do is address the long-term, historical marginalization of NEP and Coast.   Otherwise, it would do well to remember that Boko Haram (and similar nasties) started small-small.  Kenya is slowly escalating from "low key guerrilla style attacks", and unless something is done soon 20 years from now will be much, much worse.

[Omollo]

You are on to something. The one thing that is clearly emerging from this latest attack is that Al Shabaab has now been incorporated in Kenya. It is now a domestic terror organization that would no longer need to cross the border. Once can see the ferocity of the attack and the improved tactics.

According to Al Shabaab quoted on BBC, they entered the college early without the guards knowing about it. They then proceeded to kill as many as they could. My take is that they then dressed up as students and fled the site, leaving behind a squad of hardened suicide bombers - probably from Somalia, to fend off the security forces while the other party escaped. Since they travel with their own "journalists", I assume they need time to allow these support corps to reached safety.

If they are in Kenya, then expect more attacks.

Your suggestion that the Coast is vulnerable is spot on. The last video had people whose mother tongue Swahili was pure Kimvita.

The security forces are not helping either. They have launched reprisals at the Coast, NEP and parts of Nairobi. These draconian measures push Muslims and Somalis in to the welcoming arms of Al Shabaab. The raping of women in Garissa when KDF burnt a market may have served to plant Al Shabaab in that town.

It doesn't. And that was one of main risk for us going into Somalia..while NEP remained embittered and marginalized for generations. If we needed a buffer with Somalia..we had one..in NEP.

Can AMISON or KDF really defeat Alshabab..mm outside the main towns and ports..the answer is an obvious NO.

We are looking at 20yrs plus of low key guerrilla style attacks from Alshaabab and their kenyan sympathisers mostly in NEP and Coast.

[MOON Ki]

The security forces are not helping either. They have launched reprisals at the Coast, NEP and parts of Nairobi. These draconian measures push Muslims and Somalis in to the welcoming arms of Al Shabaab. The raping of women in Garissa when KDF burnt a market may have served to plant Al Shabaab in that town.

The dumb f**ks never seem to be better at anything else.   But that is why they have already lost.

[Omollo]

Exactly.   Why are they "embittered and marginalized for generations"?   Dealing with that, openly and honestly, would be a good start.     Things like the Wagalla Massacre and not going to disappear from memory just like that. And these are not shifta days; now one or two people can cause serious damage and terror in the population.

One thing that GoK needs to seriously & urgently do is address the long-term, historical marginalization of NEP and Coast.   Otherwise, it would do well to remember that Boko Haram (and similar nasties) started small-small.

How are they to address barely old Atrocities and Crimes when they are committing new ones today?

Today KDF is on rampage in Garissa. People are fleeing as I speak. They have locked down parts of the Coast and are shipping more rapists to these sites.

Garissa was more peaceful than Mandera and Wajir - until a KDF soldier refused to pay for something, fondled somebody's wife and the husband acted in defense. They went on rampage killing, raping and looting. It ended with the burning of the Garissa market.

There has been no word from KDF on any disciplinary measures taken against the rampaging soldiers.

[MOON Ki]

According to Al Shabaab quoted on BBC, they entered the college early without the guards knowing about it.

According to one BBC report, one of the guys was a sniper who, single-handedly, took down about 20 KDF/Police.   But rather than first think, Uhuru has gone down the more-is-better route: never any shortage of cannon fodder, just defy the law and send more Baragoi-type "freshly trained".

[Omollo]

Only 20, he could have taken out a battalion. The guys have no equipment, no protective gear and no tactics.

I believe that is why they decided to storm the site because Nkaissery could not have his Photo-op, with a sniper in the background.

According to one BBC report, one of the guys was a sniper who, single-handedly, took down about 20 KDF/Police.   But rather than first think, Uhuru has gone down the more-is-better route: never any shortage of cannon fodder, just defy the law and send more Baragoi-type "freshly trained".

[RV Pundit]

We can lament all day; but until we starting thinking sustainable solutions that we can actually quickly enact to save the country; we will keep passing the blame around. When will MPS demand a withdrawal from Somalia? That has to be the start...a responsible withdrawal where kenya swap places with another Africa or UN peace keeping forces to hold forte in Kismayu and major towns in Somalia. That peace keeping force should come from anywhere without muslim terror groups..Angola or Namibia...and stay there baby sitting Somali gov.

Some wars are not winnable. We have lost tourism sector...and likes of KQ are going down similarly do to the same issues.We have lost NEP now...it now suicidal for non-somali or muslim to be in any part of NEP...

[vooke]

A link to the 'BBC' would do
Anyway,Al shabab like other terror groups are wont to exaggerate

According to Al Shabaab quoted on BBC, they entered the college early without the guards knowing about it.

According to one BBC report, one of the guys was a sniper who, single-handedly, took down about 20 KDF/Police.   But rather than first think, Uhuru has gone down the more-is-better route: never any shortage of cannon fodder, just defy the law and send more Baragoi-type "freshly trained".

[Omollo]

You can try the BBC Podcasts - World Service Radio. I usually listen so I can't dig up the link.

A link to the 'BBC' would do
Anyway,Al shabab like other terror groups are wont to exaggerate

According to Al Shabaab quoted on BBC, they entered the college early without the guards knowing about it.

According to one BBC report, one of the guys was a sniper who, single-handedly, took down about 20 KDF/Police.   But rather than first think, Uhuru has gone down the more-is-better route: never any shortage of cannon fodder, just defy the law and send more Baragoi-type "freshly trained".

[Georgesoros]

counties should hire their own police force.

[MOON Ki]

A link to the 'BBC' would do

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-32173001

[Omollo]

The 20 dead security forces are not in any count

More than 20 security officers were killed by a sniper at the university, the BBC's Caroline Karobia reports.
The gunmen were eventually cornered in a dormitory by Kenyan security forces. Four of them died when their suicide vests detonated. A fifth gunman was reportedly arrested.