Ida Odinga Vs Oburu Odinga?What is the end game?

[Modesty Blaise]

  what's their choice? - Ruto and Sakaja are not Kikuyus either.

If Babu and Sifuna can get Kenya Moja to back Kalonzo - they will get the seats.
If you are Babu - that almost ensure a landslide. How can you trade it for Sakaja deputy?

ODM NEC just mandated Oburu to do deal with Ruto.
Luo will split.. ODM will bag most seats in Luo. But anti-Ruto group - Orengo and Otiendes - will defy the party and back Kalonzo.

Let's see if Ruto can work any magic - with his big money.

Gachagua has so many personalities flaw I dont see DCP becoming big party.
It will win one or two governors seats.
And that is it.

Kalonzo is being lied to...and so is Babu.

Kikuyu to go to election --- to vote for others - eti because they hate Ruto so much

Maajabu. I dont believe it.

[RV Pundit]

Kikuyu backing Gachagau will try to win Nairobi.
Kikuyus will try to run for PORK - not win - but prep for 2032.
The last minute - they will tell Kalonzo simple - let us all run as 5 candidates - so we deny Ruto 50% round 1 victory.
Then round 2 - we enter coalition.
So Kikuyu run - hoping to carry GEMA 25%; Kalonzo run 10%; Matiangi run 5%; Natembeya-Wamalwa - 10-15% of luhyas.
See we add this up - 50%.
If we combine - Kikuyus will not turn up to vote - in numbers.

You know who will be run up - a Kikuyu candidate - who will do re-run with Ruto.

what's their choice? - Ruto and Sakaja are not Kikuyus either.

If Babu and Sifuna can get Kenya Moja to back Kalonzo - they will get the seats.
If you are Babu - that almost ensure a landslide. How can you trade it for Sakaja deputy?

ODM NEC just mandated Oburu to do deal with Ruto.
Luo will split.. ODM will bag most seats in Luo. But anti-Ruto group - Orengo and Otiendes - will defy the party and back Kalonzo.

Let's see if Ruto can work any magic - with his big money.

Gachagua has so many personalities flaw I dont see DCP becoming big party.
It will win one or two governors seats.
And that is it.

Kalonzo is being lied to...and so is Babu.

Kikuyu to go to election --- to vote for others - eti because they hate Ruto so much

Maajabu. I dont believe it.

[Githunguri]

Kikuyu backing Gachagau will try to win Nairobi.
Kikuyus will try to run for PORK - not win - but prep for 2032.
The last minute - they will tell Kalonzo simple - let us all run as 5 candidates - so we deny Ruto 50% round 1 victory.
Then round 2 - we enter coalition.
So Kikuyu run - hoping to carry GEMA 25%; Kalonzo run 10%; Matiangi run 5%; Natembeya-Wamalwa - 10-15% of luhyas.
See we add this up - 50%.
If we combine - Kikuyus will not turn up to vote - in numbers.

You know who will be run up - a Kikuyu candidate - who will do re-run with Ruto.

what's their choice? - Ruto and Sakaja are not Kikuyus either.

If Babu and Sifuna can get Kenya Moja to back Kalonzo - they will get the seats.
If you are Babu - that almost ensure a landslide. How can you trade it for Sakaja deputy?

ODM NEC just mandated Oburu to do deal with Ruto.
Luo will split.. ODM will bag most seats in Luo. But anti-Ruto group - Orengo and Otiendes - will defy the party and back Kalonzo.

Let's see if Ruto can work any magic - with his big money.

Gachagua has so many personalities flaw I dont see DCP becoming big party.
It will win one or two governors seats.
And that is it.

Kalonzo is being lied to...and so is Babu.

Kikuyu to go to election --- to vote for others - eti because they hate Ruto so much

Maajabu. I dont believe it.

In a Run-off between Gachagua and Ruto,

Gachagua wins,He will have money,mouth and ability to consolidate goons and element within the security apparatus.

[RV Pundit]

Well its a nice plan if I was a Kikuyu like you. I'd push it. Shida tu Ruto is political giant.

In any case - if Rigathi become 2nds - it put him in good stead in 2032 against Kindikis

In a Run-off between Gachagua and Ruto,

Gachagua wins,He will have money,mouth and ability to consolidate goons and element within the security apparatus.

[Modesty Blaise]

It is just 2022 redux - with Kalonzo replace Raila.

There is no serious Kikuyu to challenge Riggy.
Ruto can sponsor Moses Kuria.
And maybe Igathe in Nairobi.
Otherwise people will vote DCP and Kalonzo.

Luo will vote ODM but split Ruto vs Kalonzo. Youth will follow Babu and Orengo.

Kikuyu backing Gachagau will try to win Nairobi.
Kikuyus will try to run for PORK - not win - but prep for 2032.
The last minute - they will tell Kalonzo simple - let us all run as 5 candidates - so we deny Ruto 50% round 1 victory.
Then round 2 - we enter coalition.
So Kikuyu run - hoping to carry GEMA 25%; Kalonzo run 10%; Matiangi run 5%; Natembeya-Wamalwa - 10-15% of luhyas.
See we add this up - 50%.
If we combine - Kikuyus will not turn up to vote - in numbers.

You know who will be run up - a Kikuyu candidate - who will do re-run with Ruto.

what's their choice? - Ruto and Sakaja are not Kikuyus either.

If Babu and Sifuna can get Kenya Moja to back Kalonzo - they will get the seats.
If you are Babu - that almost ensure a landslide. How can you trade it for Sakaja deputy?

ODM NEC just mandated Oburu to do deal with Ruto.
Luo will split.. ODM will bag most seats in Luo. But anti-Ruto group - Orengo and Otiendes - will defy the party and back Kalonzo.

Let's see if Ruto can work any magic - with his big money.

Gachagua has so many personalities flaw I dont see DCP becoming big party.
It will win one or two governors seats.
And that is it.

Kalonzo is being lied to...and so is Babu.

Kikuyu to go to election --- to vote for others - eti because they hate Ruto so much

Maajabu. I dont believe it.

[Modesty Blaise]

It's why Nowayhaha says impeachment was own goal. Now RiggyG and Kikuyu greed won't break opposition.

Well its a nice plan if I was a Kikuyu like you. I'd push it. Shida tu Ruto is political giant.

In any case - if Rigathi become 2nds - it put him in good stead in 2032 against Kindikis

In a Run-off between Gachagua and Ruto,

Gachagua wins,He will have money,mouth and ability to consolidate goons and element within the security apparatus.

[RV Pundit]

You need to stop being naive like a Kalonzo
And be able to see the political games like I do.

It is just 2022 redux - with Kalonzo replace Raila.

There is no serious Kikuyu to challenge Riggy.
Ruto can sponsor Moses Kuria.
And maybe Igathe in Nairobi.
Otherwise people will vote DCP and Kalonzo.

Luo will vote ODM but split Ruto vs Kalonzo. Youth will follow Babu and Orengo.

Kikuyu backing Gachagau will try to win Nairobi.
Kikuyus will try to run for PORK - not win - but prep for 2032.
The last minute - they will tell Kalonzo simple - let us all run as 5 candidates - so we deny Ruto 50% round 1 victory.
Then round 2 - we enter coalition.
So Kikuyu run - hoping to carry GEMA 25%; Kalonzo run 10%; Matiangi run 5%; Natembeya-Wamalwa - 10-15% of luhyas.
See we add this up - 50%.
If we combine - Kikuyus will not turn up to vote - in numbers.

You know who will be run up - a Kikuyu candidate - who will do re-run with Ruto.

what's their choice? - Ruto and Sakaja are not Kikuyus either.

If Babu and Sifuna can get Kenya Moja to back Kalonzo - they will get the seats.
If you are Babu - that almost ensure a landslide. How can you trade it for Sakaja deputy?

ODM NEC just mandated Oburu to do deal with Ruto.
Luo will split.. ODM will bag most seats in Luo. But anti-Ruto group - Orengo and Otiendes - will defy the party and back Kalonzo.

Let's see if Ruto can work any magic - with his big money.

Gachagua has so many personalities flaw I dont see DCP becoming big party.
It will win one or two governors seats.
And that is it.

Kalonzo is being lied to...and so is Babu.

Kikuyu to go to election --- to vote for others - eti because they hate Ruto so much

Maajabu. I dont believe it.

[Modesty Blaise]

That Kikuyu selfishness or turnout theory collapsed in 2022.
They turned up to crown Ruto and Sakaja.
No reason they won't do it for Kalonzo and Babu Owino.

You need to stop being naive like a Kalonzo
And be able to see the political games like I do.

It is just 2022 redux - with Kalonzo replace Raila.

There is no serious Kikuyu to challenge Riggy.
Ruto can sponsor Moses Kuria.
And maybe Igathe in Nairobi.
Otherwise people will vote DCP and Kalonzo.

Luo will vote ODM but split Ruto vs Kalonzo. Youth will follow Babu and Orengo.

Kikuyu backing Gachagau will try to win Nairobi.
Kikuyus will try to run for PORK - not win - but prep for 2032.
The last minute - they will tell Kalonzo simple - let us all run as 5 candidates - so we deny Ruto 50% round 1 victory.
Then round 2 - we enter coalition.
So Kikuyu run - hoping to carry GEMA 25%; Kalonzo run 10%; Matiangi run 5%; Natembeya-Wamalwa - 10-15% of luhyas.
See we add this up - 50%.
If we combine - Kikuyus will not turn up to vote - in numbers.

You know who will be run up - a Kikuyu candidate - who will do re-run with Ruto.

what's their choice? - Ruto and Sakaja are not Kikuyus either.

If Babu and Sifuna can get Kenya Moja to back Kalonzo - they will get the seats.
If you are Babu - that almost ensure a landslide. How can you trade it for Sakaja deputy?

ODM NEC just mandated Oburu to do deal with Ruto.
Luo will split.. ODM will bag most seats in Luo. But anti-Ruto group - Orengo and Otiendes - will defy the party and back Kalonzo.

Let's see if Ruto can work any magic - with his big money.

Gachagua has so many personalities flaw I dont see DCP becoming big party.
It will win one or two governors seats.
And that is it.

Kalonzo is being lied to...and so is Babu.

Kikuyu to go to election --- to vote for others - eti because they hate Ruto so much

Maajabu. I dont believe it.

[RV Pundit]

Take themselves out another 10-20yrs.
I dont see it happening.
Listen more to Githunguri - he has better political lense than you.
You operate like a baby in kenya politics

That Kikuyu selfishness or turnout theory collapsed in 2022.
They turned up to crown Ruto and Sakaja.
No reason they won't do it for Kalonzo and Babu Owino.

[Modesty Blaise]

Well Githunguri was with me backing Raila. They fought with Nowayhaha.
Now Nowayhaha thinks Ruto will be 3rd.

You seem convinced Kikuyu will follow Kindiki - so as to succeed Ruto.
But they are with RiggyG who is backing Kalonzo. Should vs will.

That Kikuyu logic can you apply to Babu Owino - he is polling top in Luo - and you want him to be Sakaja deputy.
He must be working hard for that supergig - deliver Luo get govenor.

Take themselves out another 10-20yrs.
I dont see it happening.
Listen more to Githunguri - he has better political lense than you.
You operate like a baby in kenya politics

That Kikuyu selfishness or turnout theory collapsed in 2022.
They turned up to crown Ruto and Sakaja.
No reason they won't do it for Kalonzo and Babu Owino.

[Modesty Blaise]

A Ruto loss leaves RiggyG in a very good position.

[RV Pundit]

Njamba use to teach us about how kikuyu think.
Kikuyu basically think they own kenya -
they are very angry that they have failed to nail Nairobi governorship - because they see themselves as owning most of Nairobi - historically sharing it with Maa.
Their support for Sakaja was never genuine.
They dont care about Merus or Kindiki or Embus.
Even Kiambu and Nyeri kikuyu have serious entitlement issues.
2022 - Uhuru fixed them. They never liked Ruto or Raila but when it came down - Ruto was better idea - as it came with added advantage of diaspora peace
They know Ruto ni moto moto now.
With those factoid - you can easily tell how they will play with.

The way I see Kikuyu will do PROPER REAL MATHS.
They will know Ruto is gone gone with ODM/Raila.

They will try to ensare silly Kalonzo but if it doesnt work - they will aim for 2032 - by putting a candidate out to become 2nd to Ruto

Well Githunguri was with me backing Raila. They fought with Nowayhaha.
Now Nowayhaha thinks Ruto will be 3rd.

You seem convinced Kikuyu will follow Kindiki - so as to succeed Ruto.
But they are with RiggyG who is backing Kalonzo. Should vs will.

That Kikuyu logic can you apply to Babu Owino - he is polling top in Luo - and you want him to be Sakaja deputy.
He must be working hard for that supergig - deliver Luo get govenor.

Take themselves out another 10-20yrs.
I dont see it happening.
Listen more to Githunguri - he has better political lense than you.
You operate like a baby in kenya politics

That Kikuyu selfishness or turnout theory collapsed in 2022.
They turned up to crown Ruto and Sakaja.
No reason they won't do it for Kalonzo and Babu Owino.

[RV Pundit]

There is NO scenario where Ruto loses post Raila. HAKUNA. Ruto has TRILLIONS, he is crazy campaigner, he has gov machinery, he just cannot lose.

A Ruto loss leaves RiggyG in a very good position.

[Modesty Blaise]

Well it's not yet end of history as you predicted.

We are here debating it. Instead of shutting down the site.

There is NO scenario where Ruto loses post Raila. HAKUNA. Ruto has TRILLIONS, he is crazy campaigner, he has gov machinery, he just cannot lose.

A Ruto loss leaves RiggyG in a very good position.

[Modesty Blaise]

But am saying exactly what you are saying: Kikuyu are backing Kalonzo.

You are saying Kikuyu will dump Riggy cause he is ineligible and toxic.
But his argument is his ineligibility is political not legal. This sells.
So they back Kalonzo, then Riggy gets his shot in 2032.
If Ruto wins, he will permanently destroy Riggy.

Secondly, where is the credible Riggy challenger?

Now why sacrifice Gakuya for Babu Owino? Simple: to beat Ruto. Not for nothing.
You are saying Riggy does not have the power over Kikuyu to make this move. I think he does.

Njamba use to teach us about how kikuyu think.
Kikuyu basically think they own kenya -
they are very angry that they have failed to nail Nairobi governorship - because they see themselves as owning most of Nairobi - historically sharing it with Maa.
Their support for Sakaja was never genuine.
They dont care about Merus or Kindiki or Embus.
Even Kiambu and Nyeri kikuyu have serious entitlement issues.
2022 - Uhuru fixed them. They never liked Ruto or Raila but when it came down - Ruto was better idea - as it came with added advantage of diaspora peace
They know Ruto ni moto moto now.
With those factoid - you can easily tell how they will play with.

The way I see Kikuyu will do PROPER REAL MATHS.
They will know Ruto is gone gone with ODM/Raila.

They will try to ensare silly Kalonzo but if it doesnt work - they will aim for 2032 - by putting a candidate out to become 2nd to Ruto

Well Githunguri was with me backing Raila. They fought with Nowayhaha.
Now Nowayhaha thinks Ruto will be 3rd.

You seem convinced Kikuyu will follow Kindiki - so as to succeed Ruto.
But they are with RiggyG who is backing Kalonzo. Should vs will.

That Kikuyu logic can you apply to Babu Owino - he is polling top in Luo - and you want him to be Sakaja deputy.
He must be working hard for that supergig - deliver Luo get govenor.

[RV Pundit]

Riggy or someone from Kikuyu will run.
Ngojea Limuru conference.

But am saying exactly what you are saying: Kikuyu are backing Kalonzo.

You are saying Kikuyu will dump Riggy cause he is ineligible and toxic.
But his argument is his ineligibility is political not legal. This sells.
So they back Kalonzo, then Riggy gets his shot in 2032.
If Ruto wins, he will permanently destroy Riggy.

Secondly, where is the credible Riggy challenger?

Now why sacrifice Gakuya for Babu Owino? Simple: to beat Ruto. Not for nothing.
You are saying Riggy does not have the power over Kikuyu to make this move. I think he does.

Njamba use to teach us about how kikuyu think.
Kikuyu basically think they own kenya -
they are very angry that they have failed to nail Nairobi governorship - because they see themselves as owning most of Nairobi - historically sharing it with Maa.
Their support for Sakaja was never genuine.
They dont care about Merus or Kindiki or Embus.
Even Kiambu and Nyeri kikuyu have serious entitlement issues.
2022 - Uhuru fixed them. They never liked Ruto or Raila but when it came down - Ruto was better idea - as it came with added advantage of diaspora peace
They know Ruto ni moto moto now.
With those factoid - you can easily tell how they will play with.

The way I see Kikuyu will do PROPER REAL MATHS.
They will know Ruto is gone gone with ODM/Raila.

They will try to ensare silly Kalonzo but if it doesnt work - they will aim for 2032 - by putting a candidate out to become 2nd to Ruto

Well Githunguri was with me backing Raila. They fought with Nowayhaha.
Now Nowayhaha thinks Ruto will be 3rd.

You seem convinced Kikuyu will follow Kindiki - so as to succeed Ruto.
But they are with RiggyG who is backing Kalonzo. Should vs will.

That Kikuyu logic can you apply to Babu Owino - he is polling top in Luo - and you want him to be Sakaja deputy.
He must be working hard for that supergig - deliver Luo get govenor.

[Githunguri]

Well its a nice plan if I was a Kikuyu like you. I'd push it. Shida tu Ruto is political giant.

In any case - if Rigathi become 2nds - it put him in good stead in 2032 against Kindikis

In a Run-off between Gachagua and Ruto,

Gachagua wins,He will have money,mouth and ability to consolidate goons and element within the security apparatus.

Stupid moves will be checkmated.Nobody has monopoly of the state.

[Nowayhaha]

GEMA voted for Ruto simply because he had supported them in 2013 and 2017 .
Uhuru betrayed GEMA by handshaking Raila and GEMA refused to follow him.
Similarly Ruto miscalculated by impeaching Gachagua and Broadbaising Raila and GEMA will punish Ruto .
Secondly Majority of ODM dislike Ruto . Ruto has fought Raila for 15 years this has an effect . Even if Ruto was to buy ODM he will only get a quarter of ODM electorate .
To be honest Ruto lost from the first day he was sworn in to be President then Genz revolution killed his legitimacy .

Njamba use to teach us about how kikuyu think.
Kikuyu basically think they own kenya -
they are very angry that they have failed to nail Nairobi governorship - because they see themselves as owning most of Nairobi - historically sharing it with Maa.
Their support for Sakaja was never genuine.
They dont care about Merus or Kindiki or Embus.
Even Kiambu and Nyeri kikuyu have serious entitlement issues.
2022 - Uhuru fixed them. They never liked Ruto or Raila but when it came down - Ruto was better idea - as it came with added advantage of diaspora peace
They know Ruto ni moto moto now.
With those factoid - you can easily tell how they will play with.

The way I see Kikuyu will do PROPER REAL MATHS.
They will know Ruto is gone gone with ODM/Raila.

They will try to ensare silly Kalonzo but if it doesnt work - they will aim for 2032 - by putting a candidate out to become 2nd to Ruto

Well Githunguri was with me backing Raila. They fought with Nowayhaha.
Now Nowayhaha thinks Ruto will be 3rd.

You seem convinced Kikuyu will follow Kindiki - so as to succeed Ruto.
But they are with RiggyG who is backing Kalonzo. Should vs will.

That Kikuyu logic can you apply to Babu Owino - he is polling top in Luo - and you want him to be Sakaja deputy.
He must be working hard for that supergig - deliver Luo get govenor.

Take themselves out another 10-20yrs.
I dont see it happening.
Listen more to Githunguri - he has better political lense than you.
You operate like a baby in kenya politics

That Kikuyu selfishness or turnout theory collapsed in 2022.
They turned up to crown Ruto and Sakaja.
No reason they won't do it for Kalonzo and Babu Owino.

[Nowayhaha]

There is no scenario where Ruto makes it back .Raila/Uhuru had more money than Ruto and had Government machinery too but lost to Ruto simply because its not money nor government machinery which wins elections but voters . This time around they have decided Ruto to go out .

There is NO scenario where Ruto loses post Raila. HAKUNA. Ruto has TRILLIONS, he is crazy campaigner, he has gov machinery, he just cannot lose.

A Ruto loss leaves RiggyG in a very good position.

[RV Pundit]

Poleni but Ruto ni moto. Next 3 months - ODM get swallowed. Ruto will control Kamatusa, Somali+Borans, Coast, Luos, Luhyas, half Gusii, Iteso and all small tribes.
Kindiki will be doing damage in Mt Kenya East.
When I sum up all this - Ruto is already at 65% of the vote.
Kikuyus at 20% plus Kambas 10% plus other people who dont like Ruto = 35%.
Now I dont think Ruto will want to lose all Kikuyus and kambas.
So bado iko kazi hapo - Ruto will aim to get 20-30% of that pie - 10%.
Generally Ruto will pursue Uhuru's Jubilee and even Kalonzo.

In short prepare for 70% winning margin by Ruto in 2022 against helpless Gathietha.

Stupid moves will be checkmated.Nobody has monopoly of the state.