Njuri - Sonjo people

[RV Pundit]

Ignore the initial chanting.
Listen to this one.
https://globalrecordings.net/en/program/9391

The video you have share hii ni Kimeru kabisaa murume vaite.

[RV Pundit]

Southern Nilotic loan word in Sonjo-Thagicus is very old.

[RV Pundit]

It appears the first contact relate further back to Proto-Takama-Gusii-Thagicu-Sonjo as we see word calf Moi/Mori is used by all them to refer to either calf or heifer.

Kikuyu Mori - Heifer.

[gout]

The early accounts, based on mzungu misfits' journals which inform most these studies, have serious gaps if not deliberate misrepresentations given that they never interacted closely with mwafrika.

The word loaning hypothesis, for instance, misses the role of captured women from raids who would bring up kids and use their own languages in foreign territories. These raids were two-way - Ndorobo would capture Maasai women on their lucky day.

Even willing inter marriages.

[RV Pundit]

Some of Wazungu are experts; teaching in Yales; and etc;
You havent read Africa history by African.
It just oral history.
It like Njuri Ncheke type.
Make belief - Meru are from Meroe

The early accounts, based on mzungu misfits' journals which inform most these studies, have serious gaps if not deliberate misrepresentations given that they never interacted closely with mwafrika.

The word loaning hypothesis, for instance, misses the role of captured women from raids who would bring up kids and use their own languages in foreign territories. These raids were two-way - Ndorobo would capture Maasai women on their lucky day.

Even willing inter marriages.

[gout]

You get so much from reading between the lines in the oral history.
The key informants for mzungu were mostly liars, just like ICC witnesses.
These distorted theses have made the wazungu anthropology authorities. Even these make-belief supremacist myths are based on these flawed theses and bibles.
 

Some of Wazungu are experts; teaching in Yales; and etc;
You havent read Africa history by African.
It just oral history.
It like Njuri Ncheke type.
Make belief - Meru are from Meroe

The early accounts, based on mzungu misfits' journals which inform most these studies, have serious gaps if not deliberate misrepresentations given that they never interacted closely with mwafrika.

The word loaning hypothesis, for instance, misses the role of captured women from raids who would bring up kids and use their own languages in foreign territories. These raids were two-way - Ndorobo would capture Maasai women on their lucky day.

Even willing inter marriages.

[RV Pundit]

Nope,
There is science to history.
These wazungu studies like 100 african languages - they can even dig up dead languages - by finding wierd words that dont exist in any modern languages

The wazungu can escavate bones - and date them 4,000yrs ago.
The wazungu have DNA kits - and can do forescenic telling your great ------------------> grandfather.

Modern history sio mchezo

You get so much from reading between the lines in the oral history.
The key informants for mzungu were mostly liars, just like ICC witnesses.
These distorted theses have made the wazungu anthropology authorities. Even these make-belief supremacist myths are based on these flawed theses and bibles.
 

Some of Wazungu are experts; teaching in Yales; and etc;
You havent read Africa history by African.
It just oral history.
It like Njuri Ncheke type.
Make belief - Meru are from Meroe

The early accounts, based on mzungu misfits' journals which inform most these studies, have serious gaps if not deliberate misrepresentations given that they never interacted closely with mwafrika.

The word loaning hypothesis, for instance, misses the role of captured women from raids who would bring up kids and use their own languages in foreign territories. These raids were two-way - Ndorobo would capture Maasai women on their lucky day.

Even willing inter marriages.

[gout]

Study how? Apart from distorted interviews and lying mwafrika out for some tokens.

Anthropology/Science is bought as evidenced by Gates, Israel and now Chinese.

The investments had vested interests in Africa. To create ethnic divisions where none existed. Hoist ethnic supremacists for own benefit.

Nope,
There is science to history.
These wazungu studies like 100 african languages - they can even dig up dead languages - by finding wierd words that dont exist in any modern languages

The wazungu can escavate bones - and date them 4,000yrs ago.
The wazungu have DNA kits - and can do forescenic telling your great ------------------> grandfather.

Modern history sio mchezo

You get so much from reading between the lines in the oral history.
The key informants for mzungu were mostly liars, just like ICC witnesses.
These distorted theses have made the wazungu anthropology authorities. Even these make-belief supremacist myths are based on these flawed theses and bibles.
 

Some of Wazungu are experts; teaching in Yales; and etc;
You havent read Africa history by African.
It just oral history.
It like Njuri Ncheke type.
Make belief - Meru are from Meroe

The early accounts, based on mzungu misfits' journals which inform most these studies, have serious gaps if not deliberate misrepresentations given that they never interacted closely with mwafrika.

The word loaning hypothesis, for instance, misses the role of captured women from raids who would bring up kids and use their own languages in foreign territories. These raids were two-way - Ndorobo would capture Maasai women on their lucky day.

Even willing inter marriages.

[RV Pundit]

Unlike in Kenya where failures like Njuri study history.
In advanced countries brilliant people study history, languages, etc.
It how the white guy has dominated the people.
History for them is very important.

Study how? Apart from distorted interviews and lying mwafrika out for some tokens.

Anthropology/Science is bought as evidenced by Gates, Israel and now Chinese.

The investments had vested interests in Africa. To create ethnic divisions where none existed. Hoist ethnic supremacists for own benefit.

Nope,
There is science to history.
These wazungu studies like 100 african languages - they can even dig up dead languages - by finding wierd words that dont exist in any modern languages

The wazungu can escavate bones - and date them 4,000yrs ago.
The wazungu have DNA kits - and can do forescenic telling your great ------------------> grandfather.

Modern history sio mchezo

You get so much from reading between the lines in the oral history.
The key informants for mzungu were mostly liars, just like ICC witnesses.
These distorted theses have made the wazungu anthropology authorities. Even these make-belief supremacist myths are based on these flawed theses and bibles.
 

Some of Wazungu are experts; teaching in Yales; and etc;
You havent read Africa history by African.
It just oral history.
It like Njuri Ncheke type.
Make belief - Meru are from Meroe

The early accounts, based on mzungu misfits' journals which inform most these studies, have serious gaps if not deliberate misrepresentations given that they never interacted closely with mwafrika.

The word loaning hypothesis, for instance, misses the role of captured women from raids who would bring up kids and use their own languages in foreign territories. These raids were two-way - Ndorobo would capture Maasai women on their lucky day.

Even willing inter marriages.

[gout]

Racist crazies like Carothers doing objective studies 😁

In early 1900s the British profiled Kenyan  tribes according to their mental capacities.
This was to legitimise their brutal rule over Kenya and to justify their relationships with the indigenous.
This was done at Mathare Hospital and His Majesty's Prison Nairobi which served as laboratories.
A case of this inhumane profiling was demonstrated in 1939 at Mathare Mental Hospital when two British doctors were  asked to examine the mental capacity of Chemweno an Elgeyo who was serving a prison sentence at HMP Nairobi Prison.
The two doctors were Dr J.Carothers Medical officer Mathare Mental Hospital and Dr J Carman Medical Officer Nairobi Prisons.
Both Doctors had no experience in psychiatry  and were just working temporarily awaiting the arrival of Dr James  Cobb who was a trained psychiatrist.
After examining Chemweno ,Dr Carothers claimed that Chemweno was an Idiot.
Dr Carman also examined Chemweno and concluded that although Chemweno was an idiot he was less idiotic compared to the people of his tribe  the Elgeyo. Therefore Chemweno was an "average intelligent" Idiot among idiots.
Chemweno's case was discussed further ,with Dr Carman stating that if Chemweno had been a Kikuyu or a Maasai he would have diagnosed him as an extreme Idiot because these tribes had a higher level of intelligence than the Elgeyo.
Carman continued stating that despite being mentally deficient Chemweno was normal because it was normal for the Elgeyo to have mental deficiency.
After thorough deliberation ,the two doctors agreed that whatever the case Chemweno was still an Idiot and  recommended that he should be released from prison.

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[Kim Jong-Un's Pajama Pants]

Kisonjo
https://globalrecordings.net/en/program/9391

If I were to guess, to my ear, it sounds like a mongrel of Gusii and Gikuyu.

[Kim Jong-Un's Pajama Pants]

You get so much from reading between the lines in the oral history.
The key informants for mzungu were mostly liars, just like ICC witnesses.
These distorted theses have made the wazungu anthropology authorities. Even these make-belief supremacist myths are based on these flawed theses and bibles.
 

Some of Wazungu are experts; teaching in Yales; and etc;
You havent read Africa history by African.
It just oral history.
It like Njuri Ncheke type.
Make belief - Meru are from Meroe

The early accounts, based on mzungu misfits' journals which inform most these studies, have serious gaps if not deliberate misrepresentations given that they never interacted closely with mwafrika.

The word loaning hypothesis, for instance, misses the role of captured women from raids who would bring up kids and use their own languages in foreign territories. These raids were two-way - Ndorobo would capture Maasai women on their lucky day.

Even willing inter marriages.

Oral history has its place.   But it also suffers major weaknesses you find in third party(in this case even worse) accounts of events.  I see it a good starting place, and in some cases, a stop gap, when you have nothing else to go on.

[RV Pundit]

You have good ear.
It is.
Mara Bantus (Kuria-Gusii-Zanaki) is where Thagicu-Sonko broke off
Before crossing the Serengeti plains
To emerge in Manyara highlands.
Left Sonjo.
Went towards Mt kilimanjaro - split into Kamba & kikuyu group
Kikuyu group moved to Mt kenya and split

If I were to guess, to my ear, it sounds like a mongrel of Gusii and Gikuyu.

[RV Pundit]

Oral history is only good for a few generations; Maybe 200yrs max; then it become hazy

Oral history has its place.   But it also suffers major weaknesses you find in third party(in this case even worse) accounts of events.  I see it a good starting place, and in some cases, a stop gap, when you have nothing else to go on.

[Njuri Ncheke]

Kisonjo
https://globalrecordings.net/en/program/9391

If I were to guess, to my ear, it sounds like a mongrel of Gusii and Gikuyu.

Perfectly put, Actually when listened to it sounded so albeit with also some kind of maasai words ,now compare thats Sonjo same script recording but in Ki Meru

https://globalrecordings.net/en/program/9331

[Njuri Ncheke]

Kimeru, totally distinct

[RV Pundit]

Sonjo is missing link btw Gusii and Kimeru

[Njuri Ncheke]

Sonjo is missing link btw Gusii and Kimeru

Pundit try another theory
Missing link between Gusii and Kikuyu
once you accept Meru is a very distinct bantu language apo ndio utaanza kuelewa actually Kimeru is older than Kikuyu or even Kamba. Some.Meru words have no equivalent in Bantu then again Meru is not 100%Bantu only 60% or so.
Meru history and language were modelled in Tana river and coastal lamu area our migration again is different from Kikuyu.even in that article Tana river is clearly pointed out.

[RV Pundit]

That is make believe story.
Meru-Embu-Kikuyu is close - dont argue - you just have Ogiek/Lumbwa/Umba influence of "MB" before some words.
Tharaka is Mbeere+our kalenjin Ogiek;
Huyu DP kwanza ni kama ni Ogiek kwa clan yake
Mbeere is Kamba+Embu.
Kambas is one with some Tana River Pokomo influence.
Overally Thagicu group likely meet Chagga-Taita group in Mt Kilimanjaro.
One Taita group is admixed with Mijikenda (coastal bantus who are related all the way to Mozambique & malawi)
The Kamba group met Pokomo - Mijikenda group.

You story about migration of red people enslavement in island is VERY KALENJIN.

Pundit try another theory
Missing link between Gusii and Kikuyu
once you accept Meru is a very distinct bantu language apo ndio utaanza kuelewa actually Kimeru is older than Kikuyu or even Kamba. Some.Meru words have no equivalent in Bantu then again Meru is not 100%Bantu only 60% or so.
Meru history and language were modelled in Tana river and coastal lamu area our migration again is different from Kikuyu.even in that article Tana river is clearly pointed out.

[RV Pundit]

Sonjos have lived with Kipsigis, maasai n datoga for centuries and they are considered part of old confederacy.. assimilated group. They batemi( temik.. agriculturalist). Most kipsigis assume Sonjoek are kalenjin