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Apparently, TZ still lives in poverty and extreme cost of living. The countryside of TZ resembles Kenya during the 1970s and 1980s. Nyamba za Nyazi and matope all over
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Kenya is quite ahead in economy, democracy, human rights & political freedoms. Ruto is 5th president and the 3rd to be democratically elected - although he acts like he is the first :). If Kenya sticks the path of entrenched rule of law, peaceful elections and consistent development you will go far. These good practices have occurred because of periodic change in leadership which avoids Jomo or Moi kind of corruption, incompetence and tribalism.

Don't take it for granted.
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Meanwhile Tanzania continues to backslide. I always knew Suluhu is another dimwit unable to win the popular vote or even play PR with democracy. CCM fancies itself a Chinese CCP but is too incompetent to deliver for Tanzania.

Kenya really has no competitor in the entire Eastern Africa.

Tanzania's main opposition party banned from election
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c793qd2x7yzo
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Let’s start comparing ourselves with other failures to boost our ego.

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Let’s start comparing ourselves with other failures to boost our ego.

This is a fair comparison: Kenya is an East African country. I think we can catch up with SA, Egypt and Nigeria if we stick to the path: rule of law, sound economic planning, etc. We can be wishful and compare with Turkey or Thailand -- but you need 10X growth for that -- sadly even Ukraine at war is more productive than entire Africa. :)
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I think 10 years of Ruto's soft dictatorship will see millions of Kenyans living in decent housing, slums reduced considerably, and over 30 million Kenyans living in powered households with running water, internet, etc. The completion of 300+ modern markets, special economic zones, and industrial parks, plus the dualing of the Mombasa-Malalaba road among other road networks, will open Kenya, and the economy of small towns from Mombasa to the Uganda border will boom. Foreign capital flocking to Kenya now is almost unprecedented, especially retiring Americans and Westerners searching for cheaper places to stay. Regrettably, Kenya operates as a capitalistic society, where wealthy foreigners will soon surpass the impoverished locals due to the power of wealth. That is why Chinese, Europeans, and Americans are taking over Westlands, Kilimani, Lovington, Runda, and other areas with skyscrapers.
Every foreigner on YouTube is almost telling others the place to move to is Nairobi. Joburg and Durban may be costly and attractive, but the high rates of crime and severe racism have driven foreigners to Nairobi over the past five to ten years. West Africa, apart from Accra, Lagos, and Abuja, is crude and tough. Nairobi seems to be the destination of thousands of people fleeing the dying west.
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I think 10 years of Ruto's soft dictatorship will see millions of Kenyans living in decent housing, slums reduced considerably, and over 30 million Kenyans living in powered households with running water, internet, etc. The completion of 300+ modern markets, special economic zones, and industrial parks, plus the dualing of the Mombasa-Malalaba road among other road networks, will open Kenya, and the economy of small towns from Mombasa to the Uganda border will boom. Foreign capital flocking to Kenya now is almost unprecedented, especially retiring Americans and Westerners searching for cheaper places to stay. Regrettably, Kenya operates as a capitalistic society, where wealthy foreigners will soon surpass the impoverished locals due to the power of wealth. That is why Chinese, Europeans, and Americans are taking over Westlands, Kilimani, Lovington, Runda, and other areas with skyscrapers.
Every foreigner on YouTube is almost telling others the place to move to is Nairobi. Joburg and Durban may be costly and attractive, but the high rates of crime and severe racism have driven foreigners to Nairobi over the past five to ten years. West Africa, apart from Accra, Lagos, and Abuja, is crude and tough. Nairobi seems to be the destination of thousands of people fleeing the dying west.

Ruto has 2 or 7 more years and that's it. At 3 to 5% growth don't hold your breath. Those mzungu investors must ultimately show in the numbers or it's just a story.
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Kenya has become about 90% cash economy with food insecurity while TZ, Uganda, and Burundi could be doing less than 50% and having food surpluses.

The countries are lucky they never had mad loan sprees.
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Kenya has become about 90% cash economy with food insecurity while TZ, Uganda, and Burundi could be doing less than 50% and having food surpluses.

The countries are lucky they never had mad loan sprees.
The problem is most Kenyans don't know hard work and information pay. My folks in the village of Uasin Gishu are living upper class from agriculture alone. Demand for chicken and its products alone in the Eldoret area can keep you working and minting money day in and day out. Those who are looking for jobs or waiting for someone to send them clean money are dying off slowly. Money comes with hard work, consistency, and continuous improvement, especially in farming and business
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Kenya is at cusp of economic take off. Ruto just need to nail a few of big infra works - Malaba-Mombasa and SGR - Affordable housing - should add 2.5%-5% GDP during construction, and if he nails it this year - should take us to 2030 - when we economically take off having met all the pre-conditions.
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1) Demographic dividend - tfr is now 3.2 - we need it at 3 and failing - meaning average of 2. something kids per family. Most Mt Kenya counties are now hitting the sweatspot of 2.8 - and they will reap bigly. The rest of country need to catch up.
2) Basic Infra- electricity access - soon 95% - universal access. The roads are improving—rails and ports are getting fixed.
3) Education—We have historically done well here. Quality and access are now largely sorted, except for post-high school, college, and trivet.
4) Peace and governance - Historically done well here too -  major competitor is Tanzania but they cant speak English. Kenya will attract more investors and visitors.

Ruto has to watch Gachagua type nonsense not mess up with Peace and Governance dividend - otherwise everything looks good.

We have managed to wriggle our way thro a debt crisis without defaulting. Now its Nyweeeeh

I think 10 years of Ruto's soft dictatorship will see millions of Kenyans living in decent housing, slums reduced considerably, and over 30 million Kenyans living in powered households with running water, internet, etc. The completion of 300+ modern markets, special economic zones, and industrial parks, plus the dualing of the Mombasa-Malalaba road among other road networks, will open Kenya, and the economy of small towns from Mombasa to the Uganda border will boom. Foreign capital flocking to Kenya now is almost unprecedented, especially retiring Americans and Westerners searching for cheaper places to stay. Regrettably, Kenya operates as a capitalistic society, where wealthy foreigners will soon surpass the impoverished locals due to the power of wealth. That is why Chinese, Europeans, and Americans are taking over Westlands, Kilimani, Lovington, Runda, and other areas with skyscrapers.
Every foreigner on YouTube is almost telling others the place to move to is Nairobi. Joburg and Durban may be costly and attractive, but the high rates of crime and severe racism have driven foreigners to Nairobi over the past five to ten years. West Africa, apart from Accra, Lagos, and Abuja, is crude and tough. Nairobi seems to be the destination of thousands of people fleeing the dying west.

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Even African Americans cannot shutup praising Kenya. As long as you have money, Kenya gives you the best life. If you are broke, run away. Even pastors like N'gan'ga slaps people who look broke in his church. Nobody loves when broke in Kenya, but if you have something to offer, you get royal treatment
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