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Is West propping up Industan to counter Chinaman?
« on: October 28, 2024, 09:28:11 PM »
Going by recently Adani corruption deal it seem like the West try to prop India as counter measures against Chinaman and BRICS. Puppet state like Kenya and others basically pay levy to Industan.



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Re: Is West propping up Industan to counter Chinaman?
« Reply #1 on: October 28, 2024, 09:39:11 PM »
But the "refined fuels" are imported from Russia... despite G7 sanctions 😃😃 Basically chasing their own tails.

Geopolitically India is an unprincipled, fence-sitting turncoat and pawn. Like Turkey and only slightly better than Pakistan. The trio belong to both East and West camps. But at least Turkey and Pakistan don't overrate themselves. India actually fancies itself as China's rival... never mind the vast ocean of factors and scales between them. I think they should beat Germany first - in quantity and quality - then dream of beating China and leading the world.
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Re: Is West propping up Industan to counter Chinaman?
« Reply #2 on: October 28, 2024, 09:43:12 PM »
India belongs to BRICS, SCO, QUAD, and is a "major non-NATO ally" - whatever that means. A geopolitical harlot. The only leader more grandiose than Narendra Modi is William Ruto.


Delusional India to be chip power by 2030
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Re: Is West propping up Industan to counter Chinaman?
« Reply #3 on: October 29, 2024, 12:15:45 AM »
India belongs to BRICS, SCO, QUAD, and is a "major non-NATO ally" - whatever that means. A geopolitical harlot. The only leader more grandiose than Narendra Modi is William Ruto.


Delusional India to be chip power by 2030
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Re: Is West propping up Industan to counter Chinaman?
« Reply #4 on: October 29, 2024, 09:11:00 AM »
India belongs to BRICS, SCO, QUAD, and is a "major non-NATO ally" - whatever that means. A geopolitical harlot. The only leader more grandiose than Narendra Modi is William Ruto.


Delusional India to be chip power by 2030
https://nipate.net/index.php?topic=16809.msg150317#msg150317

Robina, you got this Exactly Right.

Which part -- India or Ruto?
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Re: Is West propping up Industan to counter Chinaman?
« Reply #5 on: October 29, 2024, 10:27:11 AM »
How can you mention Narenda Modi and Ruto in one sentence? Ruto is a mouse compared to Modi.

India belongs to BRICS, SCO, QUAD, and is a "major non-NATO ally" - whatever that means. A geopolitical harlot. The only leader more grandiose than Narendra Modi is William Ruto.


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Re: Is West propping up Industan to counter Chinaman?
« Reply #6 on: October 29, 2024, 03:57:44 PM »
India belongs to BRICS, SCO, QUAD, and is a "major non-NATO ally" - whatever that means. A geopolitical harlot. The only leader more grandiose than Narendra Modi is William Ruto.


Delusional India to be chip power by 2030
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Robina, you got this Exactly Right.

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Re: Is West propping up Industan to counter Chinaman?
« Reply #7 on: October 30, 2024, 06:40:18 AM »
They have similarities.

Modi thinks India is top 3 with US and China, which of course is delusional. For instance "Made in India" is a hollow mantra. There is no noteworthy Indian industry in China or US or German scale.

Ruto thinks Kenya can replace Russia in G8. 😂 At the White House before GenZ - Biden staged a military parade and declared Kenya would be a "major non-NATO ally" ie a US pawn. This made RV Pundit very happy.

Modi and Ruto play this game to attract western FDI, etc - but their supporters tend to get carried away. Modi is obviously more pompous and bombastic than Ruto with his Sinophobic rhetoric and Indianwears.

How can you mention Narenda Modi and Ruto in one sentence? Ruto is a mouse compared to Modi.

India belongs to BRICS, SCO, QUAD, and is a "major non-NATO ally" - whatever that means. A geopolitical harlot. The only leader more grandiose than Narendra Modi is William Ruto.


Delusional India to be chip power by 2030
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Re: Is West propping up Industan to counter Chinaman?
« Reply #8 on: October 30, 2024, 07:47:43 AM »
India inevitable rise is unstoppable. They have momentum. Growing at 6-7%. They will double their GDP and overtake Germany and Japan to become 3rd biggest economy soon.

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Re: Is West propping up Industan to counter Chinaman?
« Reply #9 on: October 30, 2024, 07:50:59 AM »
India growth was impressive 8.5% last year - Kenya should exploit it historical alliance with India to benefit from this - Ruto should step on the gas on ADANI and make PPP with India companies happen.

https://ddnews.gov.in/en/imf-retains-indias-gdp-growth-at-7-warns-of-new-global-risks/

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Re: Is West propping up Industan to counter Chinaman?
« Reply #10 on: October 30, 2024, 08:32:52 AM »
I think Adani PPP is great news. I don't know if there is any truth in the politics about corruption but it is literally BILLIONS OF USD in FDI over a decade or so.

Kenya also needs big energy investment - we still import power from Uganda 👀. Ruto could even bring in Tesla Energy or any global investors. Tesla megapacks power California and Texas and are transforming Australia after years of blackouts.

Anyone who agrees to reasonable PPP arrangement should be welcomed in infra - power, metrorail, etc. Much better than debt.
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Re: Is West propping up Industan to counter Chinaman?
« Reply #11 on: October 30, 2024, 08:38:05 AM »
About India growth prospects there is lots of wishful thinking - marketing, PR and politics - that masks the underbelly of gargantuan problems. Their rapid population growth is actually a liability not an asset for instance.

Most of the pipedreams are West-made to deflate Chinese optimism.

Dig deeper.
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Re: Is West propping up Industan to counter Chinaman?
« Reply #12 on: October 30, 2024, 10:28:16 AM »
But Ruto is Adani in Kenya. :D :D :D

India growth was impressive 8.5% last year - Kenya should exploit it historical alliance with India to benefit from this - Ruto should step on the gas on ADANI and make PPP with India companies happen.

https://ddnews.gov.in/en/imf-retains-indias-gdp-growth-at-7-warns-of-new-global-risks/

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Re: Is West propping up Industan to counter Chinaman?
« Reply #13 on: October 30, 2024, 12:27:52 PM »
Probably a trillion or two of the national debt is for the energy sector in the past decade most stolen and thus a crumbling national grid. With looming La Nina the thugs will bring more Adanish and climate scams and serious power rationing.
 
I think Adani PPP is great news. I don't know if there is any truth in the politics about corruption but it is literally BILLIONS OF USD in FDI over a decade or so.

Kenya also needs big energy investment - we still import power from Uganda 👀. Ruto could even bring in Tesla Energy or any global investors. Tesla megapacks power California and Texas and are transforming Australia after years of blackouts.

Anyone who agrees to reasonable PPP arrangement should be welcomed in infra - power, metrorail, etc. Much better than debt.
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Re: Is West propping up Industan to counter Chinaman?
« Reply #14 on: October 30, 2024, 02:56:08 PM »
Yes - Adani is 11st richest man - it major coup for kenya - and Ruto should work his magic - and stop the court nonsense.
I think Adani PPP is great news. I don't know if there is any truth in the politics about corruption but it is literally BILLIONS OF USD in FDI over a decade or so.

Kenya also needs big energy investment - we still import power from Uganda 👀. Ruto could even bring in Tesla Energy or any global investors. Tesla megapacks power California and Texas and are transforming Australia after years of blackouts.

Anyone who agrees to reasonable PPP arrangement should be welcomed in infra - power, metrorail, etc. Much better than debt.

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Re: Is West propping up Industan to counter Chinaman?
« Reply #15 on: October 30, 2024, 03:18:07 PM »
About India growth prospects there is lots of wishful thinking - marketing, PR and politics - that masks the underbelly of gargantuan problems. Their rapid population growth is actually a liability not an asset for instance.

Most of the pipedreams are West-made to deflate Chinese optimism.

Dig deeper.

Not long ago an analytics co found out that Adani was more of PR than substance.
 https://www.cnn.com/2023/02/04/business/adani-hindenburg-explainer/index.html
The group lost like half its value. Its trying to regrow.
Meanwhile another fail is coming. Just like self drive hype.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/autos/news/flying-car-complete-successful-tests-in-china/vi-AA1t8Vmx?ocid=anaheim-ntp-feeds&cvid=de5f91e04fbe42938db396eb9446635e&ei=49

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Re: Is West propping up Industan to counter Chinaman?
« Reply #16 on: October 30, 2024, 05:57:20 PM »
About India growth prospects there is lots of wishful thinking - marketing, PR and politics - that masks the underbelly of gargantuan problems. Their rapid population growth is actually a liability not an asset for instance.

Most of the pipedreams are West-made to deflate Chinese optimism.

Dig deeper.

Not long ago an analytics co found out that Adani was more of PR than substance.
 https://www.cnn.com/2023/02/04/business/adani-hindenburg-explainer/index.html
The group lost like half its value. Its trying to regrow.
Meanwhile another fail is coming. Just like self drive hype.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/autos/news/flying-car-complete-successful-tests-in-china/vi-AA1t8Vmx?ocid=anaheim-ntp-feeds&cvid=de5f91e04fbe42938db396eb9446635e&ei=49

Adani was cleared of fraud suspicion last year by US court. Forbes puts him at $76B and 17th richest.

He is into ports, mines and energy. Not so much an innovator but looks legit. You can't amass 76B rolling dice.

https://www.forbes.com/profile/gautam-adani-1/

This makes me question the anti-Adani hysterics in Kenya. Were they engineered by RiggyG? 
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