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Gachagua has started making noise.
« on: November 19, 2022, 12:22:33 PM »
https://www.pd.co.ke/news/mutahi-kahiga-claims-some-people-in-rutos-govt-are-out-to-sideline-mt-kenya-158858/

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Re: Gachagua has started making noise.
« Reply #1 on: November 19, 2022, 03:31:46 PM »
He will lose; and so will mt kenya; Sakaja Kosgei will inherit Ruto in 2032 being sold as Luhya candidate.

And Mt kenya might never see power again.

They better wait silently for 10yrs. Ruto endured a lot under the drunkard.

Ruto right now has so many options - he can afford to drop Mt kenya vote and win big.

He has already inherited the small communities who are in Any Gov of the Day - the entire coast has fallen to him - and luhyaland is slowly falling in - and even South Nyanza look likely to break up - with homabaya and Migori falling in.

Raila vacuum will naturally be filled in by Ruto....I dont see how Kalonzo or Rigathi will survive.

Rigathi is so rough a diamond - even in 2032 - he will struggle against Sakaja - who is very smooth

Whatever problems Gachagua should try to solve them with Ruto internally - because Ruto is now pork - and that makes him very powerfull.

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Re: Gachagua has started making noise.
« Reply #2 on: November 19, 2022, 04:25:41 PM »
So the deal was Mt Kenya Mps to support Winnie and Kalonzo junior while Azimio would support Kikuyu nominees..the looser here was Ruto.

Good start.

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Re: Gachagua has started making noise.
« Reply #3 on: November 19, 2022, 06:32:49 PM »
You now talk like Robina, not unless the Constitution is changed , GEMA will always be calling shots who becomes President. Even with Rigging , Govnt Machinery still Raila couldnt defeat GEMAs sidewhat makes you think will swap GEMA for other communities .
Ruto should never take your advice.Imagine if he took your advice to take BBI to referendumn

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They better wait silently for 10yrs. Ruto endured a lot under the drunkard.

Ruto right now has so many options - he can afford to drop Mt kenya vote and win big.

He has already inherited the small communities who are in Any Gov of the Day - the entire coast has fallen to him - and luhyaland is slowly falling in - and even South Nyanza look likely to break up - with homabaya and Migori falling in.

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Re: Gachagua has started making noise.
« Reply #4 on: November 19, 2022, 06:40:38 PM »
I dont advice Ruto; I dont even qualify to advice such a brilliant man.
I read politics;
My advise to Mt kenya and Riggy is simple: your biggest competitor for 2032 is Sakaja;  I dont see maDVD future.
2027 is foregone conclusion - Ruto simply is unbeatable.
They should understand their leverage and try to play thing cool.
I know Ruto is wise and will resolve these issues..
Riggy G right now look set to be Mt kenya kingpin. That should make him powerful post 2027. I think Ndidi and Ichungwa are getting lapped by Riggy G.
Nationally he is a hard sell now - need to work on his PR.
Biggest threat of Mt Kenya is Sakaja - the guy is very smooth and young like Ruto - can easily be sold nationally
Mt kenya should not repeate mistake in Nairobi - where they are clear majority almost 35% but have failed to win governorship for 3 times - and dont look likely soon.

Politics is dynamic - Mt kenya right now have less and less leverage because Ruto is consolidating his support nationally.

Ruto is not going to be comfortable like Uhuru with 50% - Ruto intend to win 2027 with even 70%. He is going to get into conflict with Riggy G and Mt kenya because he will try to win national support by dishing Mt kenya 50% to others - this EALA falls squarely there - Muteti a kamba was to be rewarded.

In summary - Ruto is going national - Riggy has to win Mt kenya and will be going provincial - so possibility of small time conflict high.


2032 if Sakaja delivers and win Nairobi in 2027 is going.

You now talk like Robina, not unless the Constitution is changed , GEMA will always be calling shots who becomes President. Even with Rigging , Govnt Machinery still Raila couldnt defeat GEMAs sidewhat makes you think will swap GEMA for other communities .
Ruto should never take your advice.Imagine if he took your advice to take BBI to referendumn

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Re: Gachagua has started making noise.
« Reply #5 on: November 19, 2022, 07:10:21 PM »
Ruto without Mt.kenya he is kaput. Moi tried that he had nightmares so he decided to go after moneyed Mt kenya group that's what helped him survive but the common gema hustler hated moi more than Satan. Ruto should keep Gema close their sheer numbers and financial muscle makes them a formidable force.

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Re: Gachagua has started making noise.
« Reply #6 on: November 19, 2022, 07:14:41 PM »
Sakaja will have to do alot of work in Nairobi to breakthrough to presidential league. Then he has to try as hard as he can to shake off tribal tag...something he will need to whip up for presidential election.  Too early let's focus on here and now. Ruto government.

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Re: Gachagua has started making noise.
« Reply #7 on: November 19, 2022, 07:43:47 PM »
Pundit you have very fertile imagination or maybe even wishful thinking,
Simply where does Ruto get the 49% to replace GEMA?
Ruto has no options at all 0 nada
If things were to go awry simply GEMA would tosha another candidate who would easily win,you forgetting people don't like kalenjins that much.any candidate GEMA Would support would sleepwalk to pork
Eti struggle against sakaja :D :D :D :D iyo ni bhangi
Our plan is simple continue to hold immense power we can afford to tosha candidates as our proxy.

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Re: Gachagua has started making noise.
« Reply #8 on: November 19, 2022, 08:02:58 PM »
As long as GEMA MPs can join hands with Azimio Mps,They can paralyze goverment business.

Gachagua is the defacto president of Kenya.

Ruto akijaribu karata tena...IMPEACHMENT 101.

Asanteni.

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Re: Gachagua has started making noise.
« Reply #9 on: November 19, 2022, 08:19:24 PM »
Ruto can become life president if he wants.
The rest really are details.
Ruto is "done" with Mt kenya - he is restless dude who is now focused on Luo Nyanza, Coast, Western, Maa and Somalis.
Gema is paying debt.
Then after final installament in 2027 we can decide to renew or go seperate ways.

In short Mt Kenya leverage is going to reduce and reduce - and you should not make noise about EALA.

Just because some kamba got one seat.


Pundit you have very fertile imagination or maybe even wishful thinking,
Simply where does Ruto get the 49% to replace GEMA?
Ruto has no options at all 0 nada
If things were to go awry simply GEMA would tosha another candidate who would easily win,you forgetting people don't like kalenjins that much.any candidate GEMA Would support would sleepwalk to pork
Eti struggle against sakaja :D :D :D :D iyo ni bhangi
Our plan is simple continue to hold immense power we can afford to tosha candidates as our proxy.

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Re: Gachagua has started making noise.
« Reply #10 on: November 19, 2022, 08:20:45 PM »
You're insane.
Gachagua is not even Ruto equal the way UhuRuto gov.
Ruto made Gachagua and can unmake him.
Gachagua should be aware...he can easily be replaced by Ndidi Nyoro...and he will cry in Nyeri.

Biggest mistake Riggy G is to assume he is Ruto equal.

Ruto is  a giant.

As long as GEMA MPs can join hands with Azimio Mps,They can paralyze goverment business.

Gachagua is the defacto president of Kenya.

Ruto akijaribu karata tena...IMPEACHMENT 101.

Asanteni.

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Re: Gachagua has started making noise.
« Reply #11 on: November 19, 2022, 08:23:08 PM »
He has 10yrs - if he can endear himself to Nairobeans and Luhyas.....the rest will fall in place...kalenjin know chini ya maji he is one  of theirs...so hapo he will just need to upstage maDVD....unite Luhyas...and he is home.

So far I he is doing great in Nairobi. His biggest competitor would have been Ndidi Nyoro but I dont see Gachagua allowing Ndidi to grow.

Riggy G is not likeable man - he is just not a politician - he is administrator and has no time for PR - and has a long way to win national support.

Sakaja has pretty impressive political CV - has natural charisma and has the aura of a leader - that is why he is governor at 37 - was TNA chair at 25yrs - and has been MP and senator already.

So by 2032 - Sakaja would have clocked 25yrs of political experience. Riggy G would be at 15.

Sakaja will have to do alot of work in Nairobi to breakthrough to presidential league. Then he has to try as hard as he can to shake off tribal tag...something he will need to whip up for presidential election.  Too early let's focus on here and now. Ruto government.

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Re: Gachagua has started making noise.
« Reply #12 on: November 19, 2022, 08:40:17 PM »
Riggy is a smart men - EALA is not worthy crying over - hiyo ni useless position that just reward one failed politician - bado billion dollar projects.
Ichungwa need to become majority leader - and stop the divisions

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Re: Gachagua has started making noise.
« Reply #13 on: November 20, 2022, 04:24:29 AM »

You are proving what Ive always been saying . Your thinking and Rutos are different. When you pretend to be vouching for Ruto on your assumption that he is Kalenjin is Moism  so 1980s.
Ruto is not done with Mt Kenya, Unlike Raila your hero  (fact you voted for him in 2007) . Ruto always keeps his word and rewards loyalty .
Look at his appointments. Has he rewarded Mt Kenya yes hence the jilted cries from RV Mps who think they are entitled . For heavens sake Majority of Rutos votes came from Mt Kenya . Its just the other day you were saying if it wasnt for Mt Kenya Ruto would be opposition leader now you are saying he is done with Mt Kenya.

Now about Ruto getting support from other regions , he should go for that but he shouldnt be like Raila who focused on wooing GEMA at the behest of his traditional support. Is Ruto that naive to go the route you are praying he goes ? No he isnt .
What I would advice Ruto is to keep people from RV like Pundit far away from him. These people are ruining his image . From that senator saying Ruto should become life President to Murkomen who thinks Running Transport Ministry is like running a Matatu business.
Its time for him to inspire confidence , it wont be easy but he can make it. 

Ruto can become life president if he wants.
The rest really are details.
Ruto is "done" with Mt kenya - he is restless dude who is now focused on Luo Nyanza, Coast, Western, Maa and Somalis.
Gema is paying debt.
Then after final installament in 2027 we can decide to renew or go seperate ways.

In short Mt Kenya leverage is going to reduce and reduce - and you should not make noise about EALA.

Just because some kamba got one seat.


Pundit you have very fertile imagination or maybe even wishful thinking,
Simply where does Ruto get the 49% to replace GEMA?
Ruto has no options at all 0 nada
If things were to go awry simply GEMA would tosha another candidate who would easily win,you forgetting people don't like kalenjins that much.any candidate GEMA Would support would sleepwalk to pork
Eti struggle against sakaja :D :D :D :D iyo ni bhangi
Our plan is simple continue to hold immense power we can afford to tosha candidates as our proxy.

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Re: Gachagua has started making noise.
« Reply #14 on: November 20, 2022, 04:31:51 AM »

Politics is not that easy , Ruto did make Gachagua same as he made Kindiki , however you saw what happened in Meru and Tharaka Nithi when he dropped Kindiki for Gachagua . The apathy almost cost him. Going to war with Gachagua because of insecurity like yours will really cost him.
We saw it with Uhuru and Ruto as his DP , We saw it with Raila and Ruto post 2008.

He should have a good relationship with Gachagua like he had with him and Uhuru in Jubilee 1. It will be good for them and for Kenya.


You're insane.
Gachagua is not even Ruto equal the way UhuRuto gov.
Ruto made Gachagua and can unmake him.
Gachagua should be aware...he can easily be replaced by Ndidi Nyoro...and he will cry in Nyeri.

Biggest mistake Riggy G is to assume he is Ruto equal.

Ruto is  a giant.

As long as GEMA MPs can join hands with Azimio Mps,They can paralyze goverment business.

Gachagua is the defacto president of Kenya.

Ruto akijaribu karata tena...IMPEACHMENT 101.

Asanteni.

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Re: Gachagua has started making noise.
« Reply #15 on: November 20, 2022, 05:46:17 AM »
You see ghosts all over.
I am not in the kitchen of politics.
I am analysing things that already happen.
Yes Mt kenya should realize they dont have leverage they had in 2022
That leverage is going - because yes they delivered but it was a razor thin victory - that doesnt make Ruto sleep comfortable.
He has to consolidate other regions - and that will mean bringing them in to share the spoils - even when they brought nothing.
I think coast is pretty much a wrap - they still voted Raila 70 percent - but have been rewarded a lot.
Ruto will do the same for many of the country - and Mt kenya should accept that.
Otherwise if they start complaining early - it wont help their cause.
Their cause is to stay silent and bid their time.
The roles have reversed - their job is to play loyal number 2 like Kalenjin nation did for 10yrs
Crying over EALA is a bad sign - because they are going to be real big stuff in the future.


You are proving what Ive always been saying . Your thinking and Rutos are different. When you pretend to be vouching for Ruto on your assumption that he is Kalenjin is Moism  so 1980s.
Ruto is not done with Mt Kenya, Unlike Raila your hero  (fact you voted for him in 2007) . Ruto always keeps his word and rewards loyalty .
Look at his appointments. Has he rewarded Mt Kenya yes hence the jilted cries from RV Mps who think they are entitled . For heavens sake Majority of Rutos votes came from Mt Kenya . Its just the other day you were saying if it wasnt for Mt Kenya Ruto would be opposition leader now you are saying he is done with Mt Kenya.

Now about Ruto getting support from other regions , he should go for that but he shouldnt be like Raila who focused on wooing GEMA at the behest of his traditional support. Is Ruto that naive to go the route you are praying he goes ? No he isnt .
What I would advice Ruto is to keep people from RV like Pundit far away from him. These people are ruining his image . From that senator saying Ruto should become life President to Murkomen who thinks Running Transport Ministry is like running a Matatu business.
Its time for him to inspire confidence , it wont be easy but he can make it. 

Ruto can become life president if he wants.
The rest really are details.
Ruto is "done" with Mt kenya - he is restless dude who is now focused on Luo Nyanza, Coast, Western, Maa and Somalis.
Gema is paying debt.
Then after final installament in 2027 we can decide to renew or go seperate ways.

In short Mt Kenya leverage is going to reduce and reduce - and you should not make noise about EALA.

Just because some kamba got one seat.


Pundit you have very fertile imagination or maybe even wishful thinking,
Simply where does Ruto get the 49% to replace GEMA?
Ruto has no options at all 0 nada
If things were to go awry simply GEMA would tosha another candidate who would easily win,you forgetting people don't like kalenjins that much.any candidate GEMA Would support would sleepwalk to pork
Eti struggle against sakaja :D :D :D :D iyo ni bhangi
Our plan is simple continue to hold immense power we can afford to tosha candidates as our proxy.

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Re: Gachagua has started making noise.
« Reply #16 on: November 20, 2022, 05:49:42 AM »

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Re: Gachagua has started making noise.
« Reply #17 on: November 20, 2022, 05:59:28 AM »
Change them for who? Raila? Kalonzo? Some angle gabriel?

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Re: Gachagua has started making noise.
« Reply #18 on: November 20, 2022, 06:33:49 AM »
Riggy is a smart men - EALA is not worthy crying over - hiyo ni useless position that just reward one failed politician - bado billion dollar projects.
Ichungwa need to become majority leader - and stop the divisions

Gachagua is a smart men.He sends his attack dog Governor Kahiga to attack kalenjins and at the same time vote against Ruto candidates in EALA then he publicly supports Ruto but destroying him chini ya maji...Ruto playbook 101.

The next war front will be goverment projects...If Ruto is doing $40BN projects...Out of the $4BN management fee...It MUST be shared 50:50 between Ruto/Murkomen Vs Gachagua/Ichungwa/Ndindi...Any attempt to swindle GEMA including tax evasion proceeds will Ruto IMPEACHMENT in parliament with Immediate effect.

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Re: Gachagua has started making noise.
« Reply #19 on: November 20, 2022, 06:35:38 AM »

If Kalenjins back sakaja with ndindi as his deputy,he can be president...also remember in Kenya we elect thieves fraudsters and prostitutes.