Ruto Making Rookie Mistakes

[sema]

Now why would people steal in village - they cant grow their food or find vibarua to do?

I heard omkiyah omtata saying the soil in most places has been depleted due to the over use of chemical fertilizers from china. He said when he was a child and would dig, worms would always come out of the soil and that was an indication that the soil was fertile nowadays you dig and they are no worms. He actually suggested soil experts need to hired all over rural kenya and provide solutions on what can be done to revive the soil.

EJK has to be returned. somali's were the biggest opponents of ejk because i honestly believe they have an islamic agenda for the country. they want mosques to keep preaching that wahabi islam undeterred because they are fundamentalist muslims (all somali's are - their religion comes first before anything else) ruto needs to be careful with them.

the police just don't have the resources to deal with the skyrocketing crime right now. they should have left ejk until they were able to fix the economy.

[RV Pundit]

There is no excuse for EJK. This thing came with Mungiki and Michuki. Moi era security was top notch. Moi took security seriously. Ruto need to make CID what it use to be - the best - and NIS the best in their trade.

EJK is lazy policing.

Gov needs to have open and honest talk with judiciary regarding bail for certain offences. Terror suspect should not be bailed out.

How many innocent people get killed by EJK?

And this somali fear is irrational. Somalis know many of their youths have been killed without due process.

Now why would people steal in village - they cant grow their food or find vibarua to do?

I heard omkiyah omtata saying the soil in most places has been depleted due to the over use of chemical fertilizers from china. He said when he was a child and would dig, worms would always come out of the soil and that was an indication that the soil was fertile nowadays you dig and they are no worms. He actually suggested soil experts need to hired all over rural kenya and provide solutions on what can be done to revive the soil.

EJK has to be returned. somali's were the biggest opponents of ejk because i honestly believe they have an islamic agenda for the country. they want mosques to keep preaching that wahabi islam undeterred because they are fundamentalist muslims (all somali's are - their religion comes first before anything else) ruto needs to be careful with them.

the police just don't have the resources to deal with the skyrocketing crime right now. they should have left ejk until they were able to fix the economy.

[Georgesoros]

am told that crime has gotten acutely worse withing a very short time.

[RV Pundit]

New police IG start work today.Ruto need to next fire NIS director.Then go for military cleaning up.Then he will have people he can trust..for now he must urgently fire NIS directors...also review why on earth NIS need 40 billion kshs annually... money enough to fund cdf for a year

[gout]

Naive uthamakistan supremacists fired efficient Boinett who had warned of the Al Shabaab by 2002 only to start running blindly with these killer squads.

There is no excuse for EJK. This thing came with Mungiki and Michuki. Moi era security was top notch. Moi took security seriously. Ruto need to make CID what it use to be - the best - and NIS the best in their trade.

EJK is lazy policing.

Gov needs to have open and honest talk with judiciary regarding bail for certain offences. Terror suspect should not be bailed out.

How many innocent people get killed by EJK?

And this somali fear is irrational. Somalis know many of their youths have been killed without due process.

Now why would people steal in village - they cant grow their food or find vibarua to do?

I heard omkiyah omtata saying the soil in most places has been depleted due to the over use of chemical fertilizers from china. He said when he was a child and would dig, worms would always come out of the soil and that was an indication that the soil was fertile nowadays you dig and they are no worms. He actually suggested soil experts need to hired all over rural kenya and provide solutions on what can be done to revive the soil.

EJK has to be returned. somali's were the biggest opponents of ejk because i honestly believe they have an islamic agenda for the country. they want mosques to keep preaching that wahabi islam undeterred because they are fundamentalist muslims (all somali's are - their religion comes first before anything else) ruto needs to be careful with them.

the police just don't have the resources to deal with the skyrocketing crime right now. they should have left ejk until they were able to fix the economy.

[gout]

If one of your nephew is in the squad you need to advise the lawyer to aks for witness protection or something if what happened to mungiki's kwekwke, those who eliminated ICC witnesses and kina Seronei is anything to go by. Instead frothing about political instigation, he needs to keep them alive.

This is the madness of EJK as an official govt policy, everyone is a target!

for now it has to be total war on these criminals until they fear the security personnel. just kill them and let it be known they have been killed so that it acts as a deterrent

[KenyanPlato]

That is really grim.
Yeah sounds like a different peri-urban experience - that Kiambu is dealing with it - in the middle of urbanizing.
For me the solution has to start with putting Kiambu village people in the charge of their village security.
Your DCI in Nairobi is most useful in Kiambu - not Nairobi.
Kiambu villages know the thugs and likely to be thugs - they even know those with thieving genes
And if police/chiefs/ass chiefs are locals - they can weed out thugs easily.
But now my cousin has been in Tigoni police station - all he does is collect bribe.
My uncle was dcio in Kiambu - everytime we met he was with some land brokers.
For him being in kiambu was just lucrative business to make money - from land brokers - homicide was not a priority.
Heck in fact he once told me some thugs come and bribe cid before they commit crimes.
There are brokers who connect the foreign police with local thugs.
The police dont care - they are in a station for few months - they get transferred.
All they care about is making money.

The solution is to have Kiambu villagers - be policed by fellow Kiambu villagers.
I doubt somoene who'd take bribes to have their nephews killed.
If need be the local police - would easily get village vigilantes to deal with slums.

In my place - I have had a relative family - forced to sell land and move when their kids were found stealing.

The villages can even ex-communicate thugs or flatten slums.

EJK will never solve anything...as new thugs are born.

What will solve crimes is entire community combating crime with help of uncompromising police and community trusting the police -  zero tolerance to thugs.

But now our broken police work with thugs or at best dont care - or ejk those that stop paying or overdo their stealing. It cannot work.

the villages are crowded. every kiambu village has a group of people that live in government provided plots. these people survive on casual worm. with the drought this casual work has dried up and in towns near these villages the economic activities have slowed down. the thieves are usually brought in by village thugs from outside. the thugs in the village spy for them. then there are those thugs that are bold enough to steal in the same village they live in. Ejk is a deterrent not a solution. after my dad's cousin who headed dcio in nairobi rounded up and eliminated the gang leaders crime in my village died and is only now reappearing
the trick he used was to put so much pressure on cops that they had to go hard on the criminals. my neighbor who was the gang leader ended up dying after being detained in a cell that had tb prisoners with drug resistant tb. I think he had aids too so tb just finished him off. after a year they dumped him at his home and he died a few months later
before that tigoni and limuru residents had flushed all the thugs in that area and even demolished a slum huko. 3 guys from my village were killed in that tigoni operation. two were twin brothers their bodies were dumped in a thicket by their gang and dogs ate their bodies. their uncle who was a dub chief is the one that realized that dogs were feeding on something in the thicket and after investigating he saw it was two human bodies that turned out to be his nephews. his brother was gunned in kimende and cops demanded the family pay before they could release the bodd. the sub chief dad refused to have his son body to be claimed and so he was buried in a mass grace by the county

ejk must be part of the tool. our justice system doesn't have the resources to deal with all these thugs

kikuyus have a clan loyalty that is very deep. in my village two clans dominate. these clans have married into other small clans. so the village is big heap of inbred. they protect each other. if your buy land among these clans they terrorize you hoping you will be intimidated to leave. this blood loyalty makes it hard for outsiders like my parents to get enough social capital to be protected from thugs from these dominant families/clans.. there is a code of Silence close to the one you see in Black American ghettos. to break this you got use violence to put criminals on notice that you are willing to shed their blood and end their life. in my area only when the crime is so out of control do people now allow mob justice. when stocko genius brother was terrorizing my village. stocko step mum spent all her money each year she got tea bonus to bail him out or pay cops to get him released. it took stocko's..step mom death for the justice system to work when he couldn't raise bail money and ability to bribe cops. anyway oce the cops lined up these thugs they were about 15 of them in kinale forest and tortured them for days. they got all the confessions they needed. after months of my parents going to court the cops one day told them that they shouldn't report again they will fix the problem as they didn't have time to waste with the courts. that was the last robbery that my parents ever encountered. violence and extra judicial means is the short term solution. right now all the local security guys in my area are locals but they are busy collecting bribes instead of working. devolving police work may work but it needs a lot of ability of police leadership to manage their cops on the ground

[RV Pundit]

That pretty nasty spot - I know from Kijabe to Limuru - all my life coming to Nairobi - it's always been dangerous - that stretch teeming with thugs - waiting to waylay people. Nowadays they have gone all the way to Mai Mahiu.

There has to be zero tolerance to thugs. The police and judiciary should work together to ensure the bail conditions are very strict.

kikuyus have a clan loyalty that is very deep. in my village two clans dominate. these clans have married into other small clans. so the village is big heap of inbred. they protect each other. if your buy land among these clans they terrorize you hoping you will be intimidated to leave. this blood loyalty makes it hard for outsiders like my parents to get enough social capital to be protected from thugs from these dominant families/clans.. there is a code of Silence close to the one you see in Black American ghettos. to break this you got use violence to put criminals on notice that you are willing to shed their blood and end their life. in my area only when the crime is so out of control do people now allow mob justice. when stocko genius brother was terrorizing my village. stocko step mum spent all her money each year she got tea bonus to bail him out or pay cops to get him released. it took stocko's..step mom death for the justice system to work when he couldn't raise bail money and ability to bribe cops. anyway oce the cops lined up these thugs they were about 15 of them in kinale forest and tortured them for days. they got all the confessions they needed. after months of my parents going to court the cops one day told them that they shouldn't report again they will fix the problem as they didn't have time to waste with the courts. that was the last robbery that my parents ever encountered. violence and extra judicial means is the short term solution. right now all the local security guys in my area are locals but they are busy collecting bribes instead of working. devolving police work may work but it needs a lot of ability of police leadership to manage their cops on the ground

[sema]

Wewe pundit stop dreaming about judicial reforms. Listen to this show.  All the callers are asking that EJK be brought back or asking people to just use mob justice. Choma watu. It's africa. courts won't work.

[Georgesoros]

Wewe pundit stop dreaming about judicial reforms. Listen to this show.  All the callers are asking that EJK be brought back or asking people to just use mob justice. Choma watu. It's africa. courts won't work.

Its like going to a doc with a gushing wound and the doc tells you its not that bad. We will follow our clinical guidelines. So We will wait. DUH!!!

[Georgesoros]

Who took over from Matiangi??

[gout]

Interesting test for the human rights lawyer- Kindiki.  Having police presence in the hotspots is easy peasy start. Hata kanjo marshals presence should also have results.

Who took over from Matiangi??

[gout]

Demented lazy middle class till they start being picked for being meme creators by EJKers.

Wewe pundit stop dreaming about judicial reforms. Listen to this show.  All the callers are asking that EJK be brought back or asking people to just use mob justice. Choma watu. It's africa. courts won't work.

[gout]

The police beats all over kanairo are very reassuring. Listening government officials will get things done instead of relying on distorted feedback loops warped in bullshiet bureaucratic language. This is key essence of hasora revolution.

CS Kindiki interacts with a bodaboda rider in Nairobi CBD pic.twitter.com/YamKlFGNRG

— Kenyans.co.ke (@Kenyans) November 28, 2022

Getting feedback from Wananchi on the security situation in Nairobi CBD. We are happy that our strategy to win back the City from the hands of rogue elements is bearing fruits as informed by the traders who are now able to operate for long hours without fear. pic.twitter.com/2XlQgYWbht

— Kithure Kindiki (@KindikiKithure) November 28, 2022

[KenyanPlato]

The police beats all over kanairo are very reassuring. Listening government officials will get things done instead of relying on distorted feedback loops warped in bullshiet bureaucratic language. This is key essence of hasora revolution.

CS Kindiki interacts with a bodaboda rider in Nairobi CBD pic.twitter.com/YamKlFGNRG

— Kenyans.co.ke (@Kenyans) November 28, 2022

Getting feedback from Wananchi on the security situation in Nairobi CBD. We are happy that our strategy to win back the City from the hands of rogue elements is bearing fruits as informed by the traders who are now able to operate for long hours without fear. pic.twitter.com/2XlQgYWbht

— Kithure Kindiki (@KindikiKithure) November 28, 2022

it is just ridiculous that kindiki let these thugs takeover for 60 days. it is too late for many who are nursing wounds or have lost loved ones. these army patrols used to happen in nairobi during moi time. in 1994 at the height of insecurity and refugees invasion they put these guys in cbd but they ended up taking in bribes and scaring away customers out of cbd. we used to dodge them as they would just harass people while hoping to catch you without ID. I didn't have an ID so I stayed out of cbd till the mushako was over. Somalis walikipata. meanwhile criminals from DrC were openly dealing on latema road under the watch of police. Anyway at least ruto has now embraced ejk. that all the police needed. to be assured they won't  end up locked up.

[Georgesoros]

The police beats all over kanairo are very reassuring. Listening government officials will get things done instead of relying on distorted feedback loops warped in bullshiet bureaucratic language. This is key essence of hasora revolution.

CS Kindiki interacts with a bodaboda rider in Nairobi CBD pic.twitter.com/YamKlFGNRG

— Kenyans.co.ke (@Kenyans) November 28, 2022

Getting feedback from Wananchi on the security situation in Nairobi CBD. We are happy that our strategy to win back the City from the hands of rogue elements is bearing fruits as informed by the traders who are now able to operate for long hours without fear. pic.twitter.com/2XlQgYWbht

— Kithure Kindiki (@KindikiKithure) November 28, 2022

it is just ridiculous that kindiki let these thugs takeover for 60 days. it is too late for many who are nursing wounds or have lost loved ones. these army patrols used to happen in nairobi during moi time. in 1994 at the height of insecurity and refugees invasion they put these guys in cbd but they ended up taking in bribes and scaring away customers out of cbd. we used to dodge them as they would just harass people while hoping to catch you without ID. I didn't have an ID so I stayed out of cbd till the mushako was over. Somalis walikipata. meanwhile criminals from DrC were openly dealing on latema road under the watch of police. Anyway at least ruto has now embraced ejk. that all the police needed. to be assured they won't  end up locked up.

I like what he did, but what is the long term policy???
Temporarily, the wound is not bleeding. What is the plan to ensure there is no infection that is about to happen??
Same crap since 90s, 20s 2010s etc

[gout]

The senior police who were in charge of Kamukunji and Central police stations need to account.  Some have been retired and the Nairobi police command reorganisation done.
https://www.kenyans.co.ke/news/81779-police-ig-announces-mini-reshuffle-after-kindiki-order

Which EJK are you talking about? Let police shoot the criminals in action and announce on their twitter. That is not EJK. Families and public know what happened or so?

The police beats all over kanairo are very reassuring. Listening government officials will get things done instead of relying on distorted feedback loops warped in bullshiet bureaucratic language. This is key essence of hasora revolution.

CS Kindiki interacts with a bodaboda rider in Nairobi CBD pic.twitter.com/YamKlFGNRG

— Kenyans.co.ke (@Kenyans) November 28, 2022

Getting feedback from Wananchi on the security situation in Nairobi CBD. We are happy that our strategy to win back the City from the hands of rogue elements is bearing fruits as informed by the traders who are now able to operate for long hours without fear. pic.twitter.com/2XlQgYWbht

— Kithure Kindiki (@KindikiKithure) November 28, 2022

it is just ridiculous that kindiki let these thugs takeover for 60 days. it is too late for many who are nursing wounds or have lost loved ones. these army patrols used to happen in nairobi during moi time. in 1994 at the height of insecurity and refugees invasion they put these guys in cbd but they ended up taking in bribes and scaring away customers out of cbd. we used to dodge them as they would just harass people while hoping to catch you without ID. I didn't have an ID so I stayed out of cbd till the mushako was over. Somalis walikipata. meanwhile criminals from DrC were openly dealing on latema road under the watch of police. Anyway at least ruto has now embraced ejk. that all the police needed. to be assured they won't  end up locked up.

[RV Pundit]

It was pure sabotage.my bro who works in CBD told me the rhino squad that has been at CBD was on go slow because the gusii head of it was unhappy and now he was moved.Ruto has to be aware that his biggest threat will come from Azimio sympathizers in gov who will be keen to make his gov fail.He needs to fire them

[gout]

There is need for a serious purge. This bigger man bullshiet is very costly to hasoras and the nation.
Else what is the use of power?? 

It was pure sabotage.my bro who works in CBD told me the rhino squad that has been at CBD was on go slow because the gusii head of it was unhappy and now he was moved.Ruto has to be aware that his biggest threat will come from Azimio sympathizers in gov who will be keen to make his gov fail.He needs to fire them

[RV Pundit]

He is being naive. He needs to use the sword. He should be aware that half the country want him to fail; actually some are working to make sure he fails; He needs to put loyalist in every position - especially as deputies - he can have titular heads for PR - but behind the scenes - he need people 100 percent comitted to his success.

Anyway I dont think he is that naive - he is just being meticulous - crossing all the ts and is -  so it doesn't end up being a shabby job like Ufool did.

Somoene like NIS kamweru should long has been fired.

There is need for a serious purge. This bigger man bullshiet is very costly to hasoras and the nation.
Else what is the use of power??