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Ruto Making Rookie Mistakes
« on: November 09, 2022, 03:15:23 AM »
It looks like after disbanding the SSU unit, crime in Nairobi is spiraling out of control. Alai had a tweet on this issue that received hundreds of responses:

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Ruto has made this country usafe. Which cop will want to be charged with extra judicial killings for doing his/her job. We are on our own and God for us all.

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targeting the SSU in such a public and humiliating  way was such an ill-thought idea. It has really undermined police authority; nobody wants to face a magistrate. They are better off taking their salaries and going home to their families bila stress ya IPOA and others

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Re: Ruto Making Rookie Mistakes
« Reply #1 on: November 09, 2022, 04:19:36 AM »
Don't do what democrats did in NYC. They let loose violent criminals and then these criminals have destroyed the city. In turn they may lose in politics. Crime is a horrible thing to politicize.

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Re: Ruto Making Rookie Mistakes
« Reply #2 on: November 09, 2022, 10:31:04 AM »
Police will sabotage him.

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Re: Ruto Making Rookie Mistakes
« Reply #3 on: November 09, 2022, 11:37:25 AM »
The extra judicial killings should end. Digital OB should be fully operationalized. Ukishikwa lazima uende kortini. In a banana republic you never know when you have crazy ufool and kinaughty targeting bloggers, spouses, business partners.

The transition period is bound to have operational unintended consequences. Most senior officers are retiring and being moved.
Lazima their juniors walie ama waende go slow.

https://www.the-star.co.ke/news/2022-11-08-kenya-police-gets-new-spokesperson-in-changes/
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Re: Ruto Making Rookie Mistakes
« Reply #4 on: November 09, 2022, 10:21:34 PM »
More complaints about the escalating crime situation in Nairobi.  Kenyans are used to high crime as is so for them to be complaining, things must really be out of control

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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">So, there seems to be an escalating security situation in this city. Two of my colleagues have tonight at 7:30 witnessed a violent robbery on that stretch between Railways and Huduma Centre on Haile Selassie Avenue. I&#39;m hearing of more hotspots across Nairobi - KCA on Thika Road</p>&mdash; Wordslinger {Kas Ka Gan} (@Wordslinger__) <a href="?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 8, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>



<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Mbaya sana. It&#39;s like the entire city is in shambles. Even that Strathmore stretch, I understand students are being mugged at knife point.</p>&mdash; Wordslinger {Kas Ka Gan} (@Wordslinger__) <a href="?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 8, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

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Re: Ruto Making Rookie Mistakes
« Reply #5 on: November 09, 2022, 11:10:32 PM »
The solution is not EJK. The solution is to deny those criminals bonds and bails if they are repeat offenders.

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Re: Ruto Making Rookie Mistakes
« Reply #6 on: November 09, 2022, 11:20:38 PM »
The solution is not EJK. The solution is to deny those criminals bonds and bails if they are repeat offenders.

The system sounds like it's overwhelmed. Too much poverty, too much crime. They can't arrest anyone and probably don't have the resources to send them to trial, jail, etc (jails are probably full)

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Re: Ruto Making Rookie Mistakes
« Reply #7 on: November 10, 2022, 07:24:03 AM »
The solution is not EJK. The solution is to deny those criminals bonds and bails if they are repeat offenders.

Agreed but he needs an urgent way to reform the system. It is collapsing right in front of everyone.
This is what happens when too much emphasis is put on wealthy and not the middle class. It is not only in Kenya, rather the whole world has seen an explosion of super wealthy. Tax the wealthy and use the money to build a middle class.

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Re: Ruto Making Rookie Mistakes
« Reply #8 on: November 10, 2022, 11:16:24 AM »
Not making sense?? Never!
Drive Inn/KCA- GSU/Traffic/ NIS headquarters

Globe/Kipande Road- Central Police beat all over??

Archives - Impunity with all the cameras? People all over?!
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Re: Ruto Making Rookie Mistakes
« Reply #9 on: November 10, 2022, 11:22:01 AM »
They could be rogue element from Kinoti era working with criminals.

This usual resistance to change.

Police need radical reforms.

And it can only start by sending the thuggish cops back to their village to rebuild their reputation and trust.

Most kenyans see police as just milder version of violent thugs...both can be very violent if provoked.

Thugs require total cooperation - the police the same. If you as much as resist - both will unleash violence.

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Re: Ruto Making Rookie Mistakes
« Reply #10 on: November 10, 2022, 11:50:46 AM »
I think people do not realize how bad it is economically for most people. Kenyan economy has collapsed. many Kenyans are literally going mad. most families can't even pay water bills leave alone rent. you can only imagine what is happening to the people in slums and criminals. the desperation will make crime go back to 1990s levels. in my village people are stealing in broad day light with no fear. it is going to be another wasted decade for kenya

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Re: Ruto Making Rookie Mistakes
« Reply #11 on: November 10, 2022, 11:57:33 AM »
Yes true - people need to go back to the villages - and farm their food - until inflation is dealt with - and I think many did during covid. Now why would people steal in village - they cant grow their food or find vibarua to do?
I think people do not realize how bad it is economically for most people. Kenyan economy has collapsed. many Kenyans are literally going mad. most families can't even pay water bills leave alone rent. you can only imagine what is happening to the people in slums and criminals. the desperation will make crime go back to 1990s levels. in my village people are stealing in broad day light with no fear. it is going to be another wasted decade for kenya

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Re: Ruto Making Rookie Mistakes
« Reply #12 on: November 10, 2022, 12:23:29 PM »
Most have uprooted themselves and shaken village roots. It is even worse going to start from scratch. The elderly people are seeing moto fire. The removal of taxes on rice, maize as they wait for mjengo jobs under affordable housing.

Yes true - people need to go back to the villages - and farm their food - until inflation is dealt with - and I think many did during covid. Now why would people steal in village - they cant grow their food or find vibarua to do?
I think people do not realize how bad it is economically for most people. Kenyan economy has collapsed. many Kenyans are literally going mad. most families can't even pay water bills leave alone rent. you can only imagine what is happening to the people in slums and criminals. the desperation will make crime go back to 1990s levels. in my village people are stealing in broad day light with no fear. it is going to be another wasted decade for kenya
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Re: Ruto Making Rookie Mistakes
« Reply #13 on: November 10, 2022, 12:58:06 PM »
Nothing like being overwhelmed. Police is most opaque institution and one of the greatest if nor the greatest threat to our society.
Most thugs are released because the victims fear lodging complainants as police will work with thugs to extort, terrorise and at worst eliminate you. A phone is snatched, few even dare report unless you lose ID thus need for abstract to replace the SIM card.

Ensure every OB is in the system, and everybody (DPP, magistrates, and even the public) should be able to log in to the OB system just like we access NTSA records, court records, school portals.

Koome is talking of recording police taking bribes and name tags nonsense.
 
The solution is not EJK. The solution is to deny those criminals bonds and bails if they are repeat offenders.

The system sounds like it's overwhelmed. Too much poverty, too much crime. They can't arrest anyone and probably don't have the resources to send them to trial, jail, etc (jails are probably full)
Government, even in its best state, is but a necessary evil; in its worst state, an intolerable one ~ Thomas Paine

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Re: Ruto Making Rookie Mistakes
« Reply #14 on: November 10, 2022, 01:07:19 PM »
Yes the problem is deep.
Its huge mistrust.
It's a rotten force.
It's unhappy force. Unhappy citizens.
For me it has to start by taking police to their villages like teachers.
Then we deal with those in Nairobi differently.
Nothing like being overwhelmed. Police is most opaque institution and one of the greatest if nor the greatest threat to our society.
Most thugs are released because the victims fear lodging complainants as police will work with thugs to extort, terrorise and at worst eliminate you. A phone is snatched, few even dare report unless you lose ID thus need for abstract to replace the SIM card.

Ensure every OB is in the system, and everybody (DPP, magistrates, and even the public) should be able to log in to the OB system just like we access NTSA records, court records, school portals.

Koome is talking of recording police taking bribes and name tags nonsense.
 
The solution is not EJK. The solution is to deny those criminals bonds and bails if they are repeat offenders.

The system sounds like it's overwhelmed. Too much poverty, too much crime. They can't arrest anyone and probably don't have the resources to send them to trial, jail, etc (jails are probably full)

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Re: Ruto Making Rookie Mistakes
« Reply #15 on: November 10, 2022, 02:15:58 PM »
Yes true - people need to go back to the villages - and farm their food - until inflation is dealt with - and I think many did during covid. Now why would people steal in village - they cant grow their food or find vibarua to do?
I think people do not realize how bad it is economically for most people. Kenyan economy has collapsed. many Kenyans are literally going mad. most families can't even pay water bills leave alone rent. you can only imagine what is happening to the people in slums and criminals. the desperation will make crime go back to 1990s levels. in my village people are stealing in broad day light with no fear. it is going to be another wasted decade for kenya

You are one of the advantaged ones who still has somewhere else. Millions only have Kibera of Mathare. Higher middle class has been seriously affected when fuel subsidies suddenly disappeared. Either bring it back or there is going to be societal issues that can not be controlled.

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Re: Ruto Making Rookie Mistakes
« Reply #16 on: November 10, 2022, 02:17:20 PM »
Yes true - people need to go back to the villages - and farm their food - until inflation is dealt with - and I think many did during covid. Now why would people steal in village - they cant grow their food or find vibarua to do?
I think people do not realize how bad it is economically for most people. Kenyan economy has collapsed. many Kenyans are literally going mad. most families can't even pay water bills leave alone rent. you can only imagine what is happening to the people in slums and criminals. the desperation will make crime go back to 1990s levels. in my village people are stealing in broad day light with no fear. it is going to be another wasted decade for kenya
the villages are crowded. every kiambu village has a group of people that live in government provided plots. these people survive on casual worm. with the drought this casual work has dried up and in towns near these villages the economic activities have slowed down. the thieves are usually brought in by village thugs from outside. the thugs in the village spy for them. then there are those thugs that are bold enough to steal in the same village they live in. Ejk is a deterrent not a solution. after my dad's cousin who headed dcio in nairobi rounded up and eliminated the gang leaders crime in my village died and is only now reappearing
the trick he used was to put so much pressure on cops that they had to go hard on the criminals. my neighbor who was the gang leader ended up dying after being detained in a cell that had tb prisoners with drug resistant tb. I think he had aids too so tb just finished him off. after a year they dumped him at his home and he died a few months later
before that tigoni and limuru residents had flushed all the thugs in that area and even demolished a slum huko. 3 guys from my village were killed in that tigoni operation. two were twin brothers their bodies were dumped in a thicket by their gang and dogs ate their bodies. their uncle who was a dub chief is the one that realized that dogs were feeding on something in the thicket and after investigating he saw it was two human bodies that turned out to be his nephews. his brother was gunned in kimende and cops demanded the family pay before they could release the bodd. the sub chief dad refused to have his son body to be claimed and so he was buried in a mass grace by the county

ejk must be part of the tool. our justice system doesn't have the resources to deal with all these thugs

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Re: Ruto Making Rookie Mistakes
« Reply #17 on: November 10, 2022, 02:32:34 PM »
for now it has to be total war on these criminals until they fear the security personnel. just kill them and let it be known they have been killed so that it acts as a deterrent

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Re: Ruto Making Rookie Mistakes
« Reply #18 on: November 10, 2022, 02:49:27 PM »
That is really grim.
Yeah sounds like a different peri-urban experience - that Kiambu is dealing with it - in the middle of urbanizing.
For me the solution has to start with putting Kiambu village people in the charge of their village security.
Your DCI in Nairobi is most useful in Kiambu - not Nairobi.
Kiambu villages know the thugs and likely to be thugs - they even know those with thieving genes :)
And if police/chiefs/ass chiefs are locals - they can weed out thugs easily.
But now my cousin has been in Tigoni police station - all he does is collect bribe.
My uncle was dcio in Kiambu - everytime we met he was with some land brokers.
For him being in kiambu was just lucrative business to make money - from land brokers - homicide was not a priority.
Heck in fact he once told me some thugs come and bribe cid before they commit crimes.
There are brokers who connect the foreign police with local thugs.
The police dont care - they are in a station for few months - they get transferred.
All they care about is making money.

The solution is to have Kiambu villagers - be policed by fellow Kiambu villagers.
I doubt somoene who'd take bribes to have their nephews killed.
If need be the local police - would easily get village vigilantes to deal with slums.

In my place - I have had a relative family - forced to sell land and move when their kids were found stealing.

The villages can even ex-communicate thugs or flatten slums.

EJK will never solve anything...as new thugs are born.

What will solve crimes is entire community combating crime with help of uncompromising police and community trusting the police -  zero tolerance to thugs.

But now our broken police work with thugs or at best dont care - or ejk those that stop paying or overdo their stealing. It cannot work.

the villages are crowded. every kiambu village has a group of people that live in government provided plots. these people survive on casual worm. with the drought this casual work has dried up and in towns near these villages the economic activities have slowed down. the thieves are usually brought in by village thugs from outside. the thugs in the village spy for them. then there are those thugs that are bold enough to steal in the same village they live in. Ejk is a deterrent not a solution. after my dad's cousin who headed dcio in nairobi rounded up and eliminated the gang leaders crime in my village died and is only now reappearing
the trick he used was to put so much pressure on cops that they had to go hard on the criminals. my neighbor who was the gang leader ended up dying after being detained in a cell that had tb prisoners with drug resistant tb. I think he had aids too so tb just finished him off. after a year they dumped him at his home and he died a few months later
before that tigoni and limuru residents had flushed all the thugs in that area and even demolished a slum huko. 3 guys from my village were killed in that tigoni operation. two were twin brothers their bodies were dumped in a thicket by their gang and dogs ate their bodies. their uncle who was a dub chief is the one that realized that dogs were feeding on something in the thicket and after investigating he saw it was two human bodies that turned out to be his nephews. his brother was gunned in kimende and cops demanded the family pay before they could release the bodd. the sub chief dad refused to have his son body to be claimed and so he was buried in a mass grace by the county

ejk must be part of the tool. our justice system doesn't have the resources to deal with all these thugs

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Re: Ruto Making Rookie Mistakes
« Reply #19 on: November 10, 2022, 03:49:32 PM »
Am not for EJK, but it should be used on gangs and leaders in order to stabilize the country. This includes blue collar financial crimes that impact millions.
Either that or Ruto is finished.
AlShabab is also watching, and will take advantage of the insecurity.
Businesses will run away thus taking away the needed money.
ACT NOW.