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Offline Georgesoros

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What will replace Democracy???
« on: October 20, 2022, 03:04:23 PM »
USA has failed.
Britain is a mess.
India the world's largest is a failure.
Turkey has gone autocratic.

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Re: What will replace Democracy???
« Reply #1 on: October 20, 2022, 03:06:31 PM »
peaceful settlement of disputes through violence.

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Re: What will replace Democracy???
« Reply #2 on: October 20, 2022, 03:07:33 PM »
Autocracy and dictatorship. Putin and Xi Jinping will rule the world. Thereafter mankind will live happily together till the end.

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Re: What will replace Democracy???
« Reply #3 on: October 20, 2022, 03:10:10 PM »
Finally reality starts to sink in. Talk to Kadudu , Termie and Doper ......They live in a parallel world.

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Offline Georgesoros

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Re: What will replace Democracy???
« Reply #4 on: October 20, 2022, 03:19:57 PM »
peaceful settlement of disputes through violence.


Nuclear states will rule the world.

Offline Georgesoros

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Re: What will replace Democracy???
« Reply #5 on: October 20, 2022, 03:21:08 PM »
Autocracy and dictatorship. Putin and Xi Jinping will rule the world. Thereafter mankind will live happily together till the end.

USA has failed.
Britain is a mess.
India the world's largest is a failure.
Turkey has gone autocratic.

We are witnessing a destruction of UN and with it the end of norms.

Offline RV Pundit

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Re: What will replace Democracy???
« Reply #6 on: October 20, 2022, 03:48:29 PM »
The future is scandavian model of democracy.
Social democracy
Universal income.

This marriage of communism/socialism and democracy.

Capitalism has to be reigned on - to produce equal crime free happy society like finlands, norways, swedens

This socialism or communism through democratic means.

Scandavian model is essential - 50% communism/socialism - 50% capitalism.

That mean very high taxes - and very efficient private sector run on capitalism.

Communism/socialism through violence or force has long failed.

Democracy with capitalism - is producing society - where 10% own 90% - driving yatches - going to the moon - blowing money - while 90% of people are suffering - some literally cannot afford food. The wealthy need to be taxed heavily - to finance the poor - enough to keep them motivated - just not enough to become wasteful.

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Re: What will replace Democracy???
« Reply #7 on: October 20, 2022, 04:11:22 PM »
USA has failed.
Britain is a mess.
India the world's largest is a failure.
Turkey has gone autocratic.

The US has been always been reluctant democracy(vis a vis the Electoral College).  The intent may have been to have 50 Presidential elections, and for the majority of history, this also reflected popular will. 

But since 2000, it's fairly obvious a Republican can no longer win the popular vote.  They have had to eke out minority victories relying on flaws in the EC.  Yet demographic changes are closing out even that avenue.  This leaves more openly anti-democractic means(congress reversing outcomes based on gerrymandered state legislatures) as their only viable means of capturing state power. 

The GOP, even before Trump, has generally struggled with anti-democratic sentiments.  They make a big deal of founders and their fear of majority rule(which they wrongly interpret as East and West coasts).  Merits aside, the GOP is open to minority rule and may increasingly see it as the only desirable option. 

So America could become a democratic autocracy for while, until demographic forces tip the scales.  That could ultimately lead to peaceful secessions or a bloody civil war.

I don't know much about Britain, but it seems to be a more robust democracy IMO.  They may elect crazies, but it will still reflect the will of the majority.  Their problem seems simpler on the surface.

India has surprisingly done well for a country with over a billion souls.  They will remain democratic just because any other options are recipe for unmitigated disaster.   They are not China.

Turkey is culturally a strongman's playground.  Democracy is just a weird concept in some of these cultures.
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Re: What will replace Democracy???
« Reply #8 on: October 20, 2022, 05:44:11 PM »
Is parliamentary -monarch mongrel in Britain democracy really??
Government, even in its best state, is but a necessary evil; in its worst state, an intolerable one ~ Thomas Paine

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Re: What will replace Democracy???
« Reply #9 on: October 20, 2022, 06:53:00 PM »
USA has failed.
Britain is a mess.
India the world's largest is a failure.
Turkey has gone autocratic.

The US has been always been reluctant democracy(vis a vis the Electoral College).  The intent may have been to have 50 Presidential elections, and for the majority of history, this also reflected popular will. 

But since 2000, it's fairly obvious a Republican can no longer win the popular vote.  They have had to eke out minority victories relying on flaws in the EC.  Yet demographic changes are closing out even that avenue.  This leaves more openly anti-democractic means(congress reversing outcomes based on gerrymandered state legislatures) as their only viable means of capturing state power. 

The GOP, even before Trump, has generally struggled with anti-democratic sentiments.  They make a big deal of founders and their fear of majority rule(which they wrongly interpret as East and West coasts).  Merits aside, the GOP is open to minority rule and may increasingly see it as the only desirable option. 

So America could become a democratic autocracy for while, until demographic forces tip the scales.  That could ultimately lead to peaceful secessions or a bloody civil war.

I don't know much about Britain, but it seems to be a more robust democracy IMO.  They may elect crazies, but it will still reflect the will of the majority.  Their problem seems simpler on the surface.

India has surprisingly done well for a country with over a billion souls.  They will remain democratic just because any other options are recipe for unmitigated disaster.   They are not China.

Turkey is culturally a strongman's playground.  Democracy is just a weird concept in some of these cultures.
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EXACTLY!!!
Rethugs want to dismantle everything but they don't know what to replace it with.
Bush never won the majority, neither did trump.

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Re: What will replace Democracy???
« Reply #10 on: October 21, 2022, 10:05:46 AM »
Yes. Look how they change their leaders.
Democracy has many faces. Is kenya a democracy?

Is parliamentary -monarch mongrel in Britain democracy really??

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Re: What will replace Democracy???
« Reply #11 on: October 21, 2022, 10:07:39 AM »
Parliamentary system without a king or monarch or strong federal gov is a joke. Very unstable.
Is parliamentary -monarch mongrel in Britain democracy really??

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Re: What will replace Democracy???
« Reply #12 on: October 21, 2022, 05:17:21 PM »
What of Satta Afrika??
Parliamentary system without a king or monarch or strong federal gov is a joke. Very unstable.
Is parliamentary -monarch mongrel in Britain democracy really??
Government, even in its best state, is but a necessary evil; in its worst state, an intolerable one ~ Thomas Paine

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Re: What will replace Democracy???
« Reply #13 on: October 21, 2022, 05:18:43 PM »
Majority have been having their way except in 2007. In six years Britons have to watch some funny balloting among a few buggers.

Parliamentary system without a king or monarch or strong federal gov is a joke. Very unstable.
Is parliamentary -monarch mongrel in Britain democracy really??
Government, even in its best state, is but a necessary evil; in its worst state, an intolerable one ~ Thomas Paine

Offline Georgesoros

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Re: What will replace Democracy???
« Reply #14 on: October 21, 2022, 06:49:06 PM »
If you think democracy is not in trouble, you are living under a rock..
Authoritarianism is on a trajectory rise.