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Mwangi says it is incompetence of uhuru and raila people
« on: September 13, 2022, 12:12:10 AM »
that cost Azimio the win. makes sense
https://www.standardmedia.co.ke/opinion/article/2001455563/opinion-why-azimio-lost-the-presidency

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Re: Mwangi says it is incompetence of uhuru and raila people
« Reply #1 on: September 13, 2022, 10:20:03 AM »

Railas biggest mistake is not learning from his losses in 2007,2013,2017

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Re: Mwangi says it is incompetence of uhuru and raila people
« Reply #2 on: September 13, 2022, 10:58:15 AM »

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Re: Mwangi says it is incompetence of uhuru and raila people
« Reply #3 on: September 13, 2022, 11:44:27 AM »
Raila cannot learn because he is naturally disorganized and thrive in chaos.

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Re: Mwangi says it is incompetence of uhuru and raila people
« Reply #4 on: September 13, 2022, 01:39:50 PM »
Kabisaaaa. Imagine if they had won it would have been party after party contrast that with Ruto team doing 10 - 16 hrs daily prepping for transition...
Raila cannot learn because he is naturally disorganized and thrive in chaos.

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Re: Mwangi says it is incompetence of uhuru and raila people
« Reply #5 on: September 13, 2022, 02:07:27 PM »
Raila cannot learn because he is naturally disorganized and thrive in chaos.

luos just do not have the numbers to win kenyan elections. they need to align themselves with luhyia and give it to a luhyia candidate that is likeable in Central.  Kalenjin and kikuyus will dominate kenyan elections for another 4 decades ..they just need Somalis and no one can take them on

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Re: Mwangi says it is incompetence of uhuru and raila people
« Reply #6 on: September 14, 2022, 03:05:53 AM »
that cost Azimio the win. makes sense
https://www.standardmedia.co.ke/opinion/article/2001455563/opinion-why-azimio-lost-the-presidency

I don't know what he is saying but that is rather obvious.  I still can't wrap my head around the strategy of going after Mt. Kenya votes(simply not in play) while ignoring perfectly gettable Bungoma votes.
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Re: Mwangi says it is incompetence of uhuru and raila people
« Reply #7 on: September 14, 2022, 03:21:54 AM »
Raila hubris. he should have kept Wetangula and then he would just have needed 1 million in Central to win with over 54%. Raila got punished by Bungoma people although I think he knew that Bungoma was gone
 one of the kids in know from BUNGOMA WAS pro uda even before uda picked up steam

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Re: Mwangi says it is incompetence of uhuru and raila people
« Reply #8 on: September 14, 2022, 03:29:42 AM »
Its not luos or kikuyus - it's about the candidates and their maths leading to 50 percent plus 1. Raila failure is not Luo failure. Biggest problem Raila has is principally always bitterly falling out with friends or allies...making reconciliation hard...because he tend to be abusive and contemptous.

Kenya politics because of it's fragmented nature is about making friends, building alliances and whenever you disagree - try to reconcile.

Weta has damaged Raila because of very petty fallout - giving orengo minority leader was stupid.

luos just do not have the numbers to win kenyan elections. they need to align themselves with luhyia and give it to a luhyia candidate that is likeable in Central.  Kalenjin and kikuyus will dominate kenyan elections for another 4 decades ..they just need Somalis and no one can take them on

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Re: Mwangi says it is incompetence of uhuru and raila people
« Reply #9 on: September 14, 2022, 04:06:20 AM »
Its not luos or kikuyus - it's about the candidates and their maths leading to 50 percent plus 1. Raila failure is not Luo failure. Biggest problem Raila has is principally always bitterly falling out with friends or allies...making reconciliation hard...because he tend to be abusive and contemptous.

Kenya politics because of it's fragmented nature is about making friends, building alliances and whenever you disagree - try to reconcile.

Weta has damaged Raila because of very petty fallout - giving orengo minority leader was stupid.

luos just do not have the numbers to win kenyan elections. they need to align themselves with luhyia and give it to a luhyia candidate that is likeable in Central.  Kalenjin and kikuyus will dominate kenyan elections for another 4 decades ..they just need Somalis and no one can take them on
nyang'au kenya politics is about tribal maths then building a coalition around it. luo us the 4th largest tribe and core luo nyanza is probably in the 5th ranking. diaspora luos can't be counted to vote rank and file for raila.

kambas and luos need to know they will never make unless they are endorsed by kikuyu or kalenjin voters. raila won in 2007 due to kalenjins .he has lost 3 times due to kikuyus and kalenjins ganging against him

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Re: Mwangi says it is incompetence of uhuru and raila people
« Reply #10 on: September 14, 2022, 04:27:30 AM »
How was sakaja elected or why did mwaure get few votes..your tribe should take you to the big stage...from there it's individual effort .Raila has come very very close.His failure I'd personal.Luos did their part in 1997...from there it upon Raila to build alliance and friendship

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Re: Mwangi says it is incompetence of uhuru and raila people
« Reply #11 on: September 14, 2022, 04:29:09 AM »
How was sakaja elected or why did mwaure get few votes..your tribe should take you to the big stage...from there it's individual effort .Raila has come very very close.His failure I'd personal.

Nairobi is not kenya.

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Re: Mwangi says it is incompetence of uhuru and raila people
« Reply #12 on: September 14, 2022, 04:30:12 AM »
How was sakaja elected or why did mwaure get few votes..your tribe should take you to the big stage...from there it's individual effort .Raila has come very very close.His failure I'd personal.

Nairobi is not kenya.

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Re: Mwangi says it is incompetence of uhuru and raila people
« Reply #13 on: September 14, 2022, 04:32:23 AM »
my point if a kikuyu or kale is running the small rivers Akina luo and kamba must join the big ones not the other way

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Re: Mwangi says it is incompetence of uhuru and raila people
« Reply #14 on: September 14, 2022, 04:35:35 AM »
my point if a kikuyu or kale is running the small rivers Akina luo and kamba must join the big ones not the other way
Raila got 49%...46%..45%...what he is missing is just finishing touches.... he is too old now..if he work extremely hard and seriously he would long have won...but like everything in life it's those critical few things that make all the difference .Ruto gave it his all... didn't spare effort or time or money....he got very few votes in many places he visited so many times..but that small little edge made all difference.His last rally in kiambu literally sprinting to Wilson to fly 20kms to kiambu define his hunger for this...small things finished Raila...not fundamentals

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Re: Mwangi says it is incompetence of uhuru and raila people
« Reply #15 on: September 14, 2022, 04:48:41 AM »
my point if a kikuyu or kale is running the small rivers Akina luo and kamba must join the big ones not the other way
Raila got 49%...46%..45%...what he is missing is just finishing touches.... he is too old now..if he work extremely hard and seriously he would long have won...but like everything in life it's those critical few things that make all the difference .Ruto gave it his all... didn't spare effort or time or money....he got very few votes in many places he visited so many times..but that small little edge made all difference.His last rally in kiambu literally sprinting to Wilson to fly 20kms to kiambu define his hunger for this...small things finished Raila...not fundamentals

nothing like that kenyan voters most of them were decided a year to the polls. Raila mistake is not getting enough people that would vote for him registered. plus his age meant most voters didn't connect with him ..Raila path to presidency would have been trying to regain Kalenjins trust after pev but the idiot decided to fight ruto

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Re: Mwangi says it is incompetence of uhuru and raila people
« Reply #16 on: September 14, 2022, 04:54:23 AM »
Raila biggest mistake was not making Ruto DEPUTY PM After pev and instead going with lazy madvd. if he had bent backwards to appease and apologize to Kales he would be president. Ruto took the slight and used it to cut Raila to size.From 2008 to Today he made sure raila paid for

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Re: Mwangi says it is incompetence of uhuru and raila people
« Reply #17 on: September 14, 2022, 05:04:06 AM »
First mistake was going to war with Kibaki. the war he waged against GEMA from 2003 to 2007 made him GEMAs enemy number one. The results are out there GEMA has been voting against him and will repeat the same whenever he vies.
Second mistake was divorcing Kalonzo in 2007 elections
Third mistake was trying to use ICC against Ruto. It was evident Ruto would want to inherit Rift Valley after Moi . He should have just taken it calmly . He tried to eliminate Ruto through ICC and made .
Ruto to fight back politically and joined forces with GEMA.

The biggest mistake is to not learn from 2007 elections loss.
Most of his supporters now agree Raila lost 2007 fair and square.
Uhuru gave Raila government machinery, Had the best media coverage , Had 4 commisionares in IEBC and were in control of Supreme Court. How do you have all these and still lose. I mean he even had NSAC and you still dont know which areas you need to work on and win.

Raila biggest mistake was not making Ruto DEPUTY PM After pev and instead going with lazy madvd. if he had bent backwards to appease and apologize to Kales he would be president. Ruto took the slight and used it to cut Raila to size.From 2008 to Today he made sure raila paid for

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Re: Mwangi says it is incompetence of uhuru and raila people
« Reply #18 on: September 14, 2022, 05:16:49 AM »
I agree with nowayaha generally.Rigging is no excuse to win power.Everyone knew Kibaki as incumbent would rig if the margin of victory was small.Ruto told Raila as much.. way before election that only way to beat kibaki was to make rigging impossible like 2002 narc ..give Kibaki at least 10 percent gap like 2005 referendum and therefore kalonzo was very critical.This election Uhuru and Raila rigged massively but Ruto had designed a winning strategy that he called Win Inspite of Rigging. As a leader you can anticipate many things and mitigate on them.Uhuru n Raila have failed because Ruto made sure he gave them rigging margin... massive rigging using prob admin, nsis and others did happen.Deep state and system gave their all but failed because Ruto was ready and factored those Rigging ..Ruto worked like he was looking for 60 percent to get 50 percent..

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Re: Mwangi says it is incompetence of uhuru and raila people
« Reply #19 on: September 14, 2022, 05:42:21 AM »
Clinical finishing is what Raila lacks.Shollei laughed aloud when Azimio claimed they had won..said they did not have organization discipline to pull it.Anyone who has dealt with Raila...one thing is clearly he is totally disorganized and there is a lot of chaos around him.Ruto like his mentor Moi are definition of military precision...not a single button in Moi shirt would be off..he kept time... everything has to be done right..Ruto is intelligent version of Moi... clinical, meticulous, perfectionist,organized and discipline.Opposite of Raila and Uhuru who are spoilt brat that have to be dragged to do things...they would rather be making merry.Ruto seek folks like him.. organized and disciplined...Raila like Uhuru seeks their  type..party people