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Kalenjin mainstream conflicted relationship with pokots
« on: November 10, 2014, 09:28:49 PM »

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Re: Kalenjin mainstream conflicted relationship with pokots
« Reply #2 on: November 10, 2014, 10:22:25 PM »
I have always thought Pokot were a different group from the other Kalenjins.  A bit like Marakwet but on steroids.  At least that was the impression way back when I spent some decent time in the Rift Valley.  Their incorporation to the mainstream Kalenjin seems like a relatively recent development.
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Re: Kalenjin mainstream conflicted relationship with pokots
« Reply #3 on: November 11, 2014, 07:27:39 AM »
Definitely kalenjin with heavy admixture of turkana..which is nothing unique given each kalenjin have heavy admixture of their neighbours..gusii,maasai and luhyas...pokots though do not care about that..attacking and raiding kalenjin just as well as their other neighbours.
I have always thought Pokot were a different group from the other Kalenjins.  A bit like Marakwet but on steroids.  At least that was the impression way back when I spent some decent time in the Rift Valley.  Their incorporation to the mainstream Kalenjin seems like a relatively recent development.

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Re: Kalenjin mainstream conflicted relationship with pokots
« Reply #4 on: November 11, 2014, 01:39:47 PM »

I have always thought that the Kipsigis were the most populous Kalenjin community. So it is the Nandi?

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Re: Kalenjin mainstream conflicted relationship with pokots
« Reply #5 on: November 11, 2014, 01:51:45 PM »
Read again. Kipsigis are by far the most populous (about 40-45% of Kalenjin). They are more than twice the Nandis.Nandis are more about the size of Pokot (if you factor those in Uganda).
I have always thought that the Kipsigis were the most populous Kalenjin community. So it is the Nandi?
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Re: Kalenjin mainstream conflicted relationship with pokots
« Reply #6 on: November 11, 2014, 04:43:54 PM »
Definitely kalenjin with heavy admixture of turkana..which is nothing unique given each kalenjin have heavy admixture of their neighbours..gusii,maasai and luhyas...pokots though do not care about that..attacking and raiding kalenjin just as well as their other neighbours.
I have always thought Pokot were a different group from the other Kalenjins.  A bit like Marakwet but on steroids.  At least that was the impression way back when I spent some decent time in the Rift Valley.  Their incorporation to the mainstream Kalenjin seems like a relatively recent development.
I have no doubt about their genetic kinship.  They are Kalenjin.  They just did not consider themselves as part of the larger group until fairly recently; post-colonial times.  Their language differences probably delayed it further. 

Ultimately it comes down to what they think of themselves.  Marakwet for instance are Kalenjin because they have considered themselves as such for a long time.  Even though their language is relatively different.

Africa has quite a few such cases.  Igbo did not realize they were one tribe until bazungu told them.  It took a bazungu to make them realize a kinship that would be immediately apparent to any outsider.  The outsider usually has the advantage of a wider perspective.

The largest ethnic groups in Africa that did not have kingdoms are more or less the same. 
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Re: Kalenjin mainstream conflicted relationship with pokots
« Reply #7 on: November 11, 2014, 05:46:07 PM »
Read again. Kipsigis are by far the most populous (about 40-45% of Kalenjin). They are more than twice the Nandis.Nandis are more about the size of Pokot (if you factor those in Uganda).
I have always thought that the Kipsigis were the most populous Kalenjin community. So it is the Nandi?
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Re: Kalenjin mainstream conflicted relationship with pokots
« Reply #8 on: November 12, 2014, 04:49:29 AM »
RV PUndit, here is one of those times I miss your opinion:

How come these kales seem to disagree on the Pokot's plight?

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Kongin,

You are barking up the wrong tree! I would advise you to spend that negative energy doing something productive for you and your family.

Anyway, I am in full support of disarming not only the Pokots but the entire warring factions in the North Rift who are clearly still living in stone age.
Joste! what does pokots have to do with Maswei..Ati wembe ni ule ule...iroito ngo asis...kiryooon...

kongin, what do you think is the way out of this mess?

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Re: Kalenjin mainstream conflicted relationship with pokots
« Reply #9 on: November 14, 2014, 06:45:48 PM »
These people should definitely sue the govt for this atrocities. Govt should protect not destroy. Colletive purnishment is immoral. Kenyatta needs to take responsibility in this.