Are Jehova witnesses a cult or christians?

[vooke]

Nobody disputes existence of conditional prophecies. But every creature above marine invertabrates can tell conditional prophecies from unconditional prophecies. Conditional prophecies carry CONDITIONS within them.

Once again I adjure thee to demonstrate the CONDITION on this prophecy. If you can't and I know you can't, then permit logic to reign for once; it was unconditional.

She is speaking in the name of God, this is not eschatology or study of Bible prophecy where we permit error, she is FOAMING IN THE MOUTH in the name of Jesus. If the prophecy fails, either she was receiving prophecies from demons (they are good at lying and bad at getting it right) or she was lying.

Don't mention cancer because she taught it is transmitted by eating infected meat.

"People are continually eating flesh that is filled with tuberculous and cancerous germs. Tuberculosis, cancer, and other fatal diseases are thus communicated." (The Ministry of Healing, p.313).

 I request you stick to this fantastic fail before shooting all over to obfuscate the truth. This prophecy failed BIG because the prick was a false prophet no different from Lakwena.


Luke 11:32 King James Version (KJV)

32 The men of Nineve shall rise up in the judgment with this generation, and shall condemn it: for they repented at the preaching of Jonas; and, behold, a greater than Jonas is here.

See Jonah PREACHED and they REPENTED? He was sent there to preach and part of his preaching was an ultimatum; repent or perish

Prophecy is not probability games where you get 4 out of 10 right, you miss one and Moses prescribed stoning. She only needs to have failed ONCE to prove her false
Deuteronomy 18:22-22 New American Standard Bible (NASB)
22 When a prophet speaks in the name of the Lord, if the thing does not come about or come true, that is the thing which the Lord has not spoken. The prophet has spoken it presumptuously; you shall not be afraid of him.

Jesus talks about Jerusalem alright, but also about the end of the world. I see no dichotomy. If Jonah could give conditional prophecies, why not Ellen G. White? I submit to you that all prophecies about the end of time are conditional.

Ellen G. White gave many prophecies in health, education, religion..... One of the most dramatic prophecies was in health. At a time many doctors prescribed smoking as a cure for coughs, she warned of its cancerous effects. Date? 1864. No medical training, no proper formal schooling.
http://amazingdiscoveries.org/S-prophecy-Ellen_White-true-predictions-Bible

Tobacco is a poison of the most deceitful and malignant kind, having an exciting, then a paralysing influence upon the nerves of the body. It is all the more dangerous because its effects upon the system are so slow, and at first scarcely perceivable. Multitudes have fallen victims to its poisonous influence (Counsels on Health, 84).

[GeeMail]

Vooke you are foaming in the mouth again. Jonah's prophecy was about the end-time for Nineveh (if they did not repent). Ellen G. White's prophecies were also conditional.

"It was not the will of God that the coming of Christ should be thus delayed. God did not design that His people, Israel, should wander forty years in the wilderness. He promised to lead them directly to the land of Canaan, and establish them there a holy, healthy, people. But those to whom it was first preached, went not in 'because of unbelief.' Their hearts were filled with murmuring, rebellion, and hatred, and He could not fulfill His covenant with them.

"For forty years did unbelief, murmuring, and rebellion shut out ancient Israel from the land of Canaan. The same sins have delayed the entrance of modern Israel into the heavenly Canaan. In neither case were the promises of God at fault. It is the unbelief, the worldliness, unconsecration, and strife among the Lord's professed people that have kept us in this world of sin and sorrow so many years."--MS. 4, 1883. (Quoted in Evangelism, pp. 695, 696.)

Are you saying Ellen G. White was a "stupid prick" because she prophesied like Jonah did, or because she also linked cancer with tobacco smoking and infected meat (both facts of which which modern science confirms)?

[vooke]

WHAT WAS THE CONDITION ON HER PROPHECY?
If you can't show me the condition, why wait until it has failed and flap your deluded gums that it was conditional? Conditional on what?
If it comes to pass, she was a true prophet,if it fails, it was conditional. How do you test her conditional prophecies? How different are they from saying that if you flip a coin it will land on head, but if it doesn't it will land on tails?

"People are continually eating flesh that is filled with tuberculous and cancerous germs. Tuberculosis, cancer, and other fatal diseases are thus communicated." (The Ministry of Healing, p.313).

When was the last time you caught TB and cancer from eating meat? is this statement FACTUAL or retarded?

Vooke you are foaming in the mouth again. Jonah's prophecy was about the end-time for Nineveh (if they did not repent). Ellen G. White's prophecies were also conditional.

"It was not the will of God that the coming of Christ should be thus delayed. God did not design that His people, Israel, should wander forty years in the wilderness. He promised to lead them directly to the land of Canaan, and establish them there a holy, healthy, people. But those to whom it was first preached, went not in 'because of unbelief.' Their hearts were filled with murmuring, rebellion, and hatred, and He could not fulfill His covenant with them.

"For forty years did unbelief, murmuring, and rebellion shut out ancient Israel from the land of Canaan. The same sins have delayed the entrance of modern Israel into the heavenly Canaan. In neither case were the promises of God at fault. It is the unbelief, the worldliness, unconsecration, and strife among the Lord's professed people that have kept us in this world of sin and sorrow so many years."--MS. 4, 1883. (Quoted in Evangelism, pp. 695, 696.)

Are you saying Ellen G. White was a "stupid prick" because she prophesied like Jonah did, or because she also linked cancer with infected meat (which modern science confirms)?

[GeeMail]

Ellen G. White was clear that the same conditions for repentance that God gave ancient Israel will apply to end-time Israel. Here is a slew of quotations reaffirming her conditional prophecies.

http://www.whiteestate.org/issues/delay.html

Do you need help with TB and cancer from infected meat?
http://www.nhs.uk/news/2013/07July/Pages/Concerns-raised-about-bovine-TB-infected-meat.aspx

http://www.theguardian.com/theguardian/shortcuts/2014/apr/08/what-are-risks-eating-infected-meat
Bovine tuberculosis is an infectious disease in cattle caused by Mycobacterium bovis, which is closely related to the bacterium that is the most common cause of TB in people. Like human TB, it mainly affects the airways and lungs. The bovine TB bacteria can infect humans and cause TB, with symptoms that can include fever, night sweats, persistent cough, diarrhoea, weight loss and abdominal pain. However, this is thought mainly to occur through people consuming unpasteurised milk or dairy products, or, more rarely, being close enough to infected cattle to inhale infected aerosol droplets. The Food Standards Agency has confirmed that there are no known cases of people contracting TB from eating infected meat.

[vooke]

This BS apologists doing damage control.
You don't give CONDITIONS looooooooong after the prophecy because you are not helping nobody.
Imagine Jonah preaching destruction in 40 days and then 40 years later 'explaining' that his prophecy was conditional on repentance. That's pea-brained theology. COndition are attached to prophecies, not appended to them years after

Ellen G. White was clear that the same conditions for repentance that God gave ancient Israel will apply to end-time Israel. Here is a slew of quotations reaffirming her conditional prophecies.

http://www.whiteestate.org/issues/delay.html

[vooke]

Do you know she actively discouraged medical solutions?
This is another of her quotes from  To Those who are Receiving the Seal of the Living God, January 31, 1849

If any among us are sick, let us not dishonor God by applying to earthly physicians

http://text.egwwritings.org/publication.php?pubtype=Periodical&bookCode=Broadside2&lang=en&year=1849&month=January&day=31

[GeeMail]

Vooke, when did Jonah give the conditions for his prophecies concerning Nineveh?

[vooke]

CANCER, is it ever transmitted by eating infected meat?

Ellen G. White was clear that the same conditions for repentance that God gave ancient Israel will apply to end-time Israel. Here is a slew of quotations reaffirming her conditional prophecies.

http://www.whiteestate.org/issues/delay.html

Do you need help with TB and cancer from infected meat?
http://www.nhs.uk/news/2013/07July/Pages/Concerns-raised-about-bovine-TB-infected-meat.aspx

http://www.theguardian.com/theguardian/shortcuts/2014/apr/08/what-are-risks-eating-infected-meat
Bovine tuberculosis is an infectious disease in cattle caused by Mycobacterium bovis, which is closely related to the bacterium that is the most common cause of TB in people. Like human TB, it mainly affects the airways and lungs. The bovine TB bacteria can infect humans and cause TB, with symptoms that can include fever, night sweats, persistent cough, diarrhoea, weight loss and abdominal pain. However, this is thought mainly to occur through people consuming unpasteurised milk or dairy products, or, more rarely, being close enough to infected cattle to inhale infected aerosol droplets. The Food Standards Agency has confirmed that there are no known cases of people contracting TB from eating infected meat.

[GeeMail]

Yes I know. So?

Do you know she actively discouraged medical solutions?
This is another of her quotes from  To Those who are Receiving the Seal of the Living God, January 31, 1849

If any among us are sick, let us not dishonor God by applying to earthly physicians

http://text.egwwritings.org/publication.php?pubtype=Periodical&bookCode=Broadside2&lang=en&year=1849&month=January&day=31

[vooke]

it's vooke NOT Vooke

I just shared with you Luke 11:32. Jonah PREACHED people repented. so he was sent to Nineveh to preach. Why was he sent to preach? For fun? If his preaching over destruction of Nineveh was unconditional, then his assignment was unnecessary.

God gave you a brain so when you are studying scriptures you can UNDERSTAND and not just admire and marvel at stories

Vooke, when did Jonah give the conditions for his prophecies concerning Nineveh?

[vooke]

Do you employ medical science in your life?

Yes I know. So?

[GeeMail]

http://www.pcrm.org/health/cancer-resources/diet-cancer/facts/meat-consumption-and-cancer-risk

Overall, these studies showed significant reductions in cancer risk among those who avoided meat.4 In contrast, Harvard studies showed that daily meat eaters have approximately three times the colon cancer risk, compared to those who rarely eat meat....In 2007, the American Institute for Cancer Research (AICR) published their second review of the major studies on food, nutrition, and cancer prevention. For cancers of the oesophagus, lung, pancreas, stomach, collorectum, endometrium, and prostate, it was determined that red meat (beef, pork, or lamb) and processed meat consumption possibly increased cancer risk.

http://www.cancercouncil.com.au/1752/reduce-risks/diet-exercise/nutrition-advice/meat-fish/meat-and-cancer-3/

The relationship between meat consumption and the risk of cancer, especially bowel cancer, has been controversial. The consumption of red meat and processed meat is convincingly associated with a modest increased risk of bowel cancer. There is limited suggestive evidence that red meat may be associated with an increased risk of oesophageal, lung, pancreatic and endometrial cancer, and processed meat with oesophageal, lung, stomach and prostate cancer. There does not appear to be a strong association between red meat or processed meat and the risk of other cancers.

Google is your friend.

CANCER, is it ever transmitted by eating infected meat?

Ellen G. White was clear that the same conditions for repentance that God gave ancient Israel will apply to end-time Israel. Here is a slew of quotations reaffirming her conditional prophecies.

http://www.whiteestate.org/issues/delay.html

Do you need help with TB and cancer from infected meat?
http://www.nhs.uk/news/2013/07July/Pages/Concerns-raised-about-bovine-TB-infected-meat.aspx

http://www.theguardian.com/theguardian/shortcuts/2014/apr/08/what-are-risks-eating-infected-meat
Bovine tuberculosis is an infectious disease in cattle caused by Mycobacterium bovis, which is closely related to the bacterium that is the most common cause of TB in people. Like human TB, it mainly affects the airways and lungs. The bovine TB bacteria can infect humans and cause TB, with symptoms that can include fever, night sweats, persistent cough, diarrhoea, weight loss and abdominal pain. However, this is thought mainly to occur through people consuming unpasteurised milk or dairy products, or, more rarely, being close enough to infected cattle to inhale infected aerosol droplets. The Food Standards Agency has confirmed that there are no known cases of people contracting TB from eating infected meat.

[GeeMail]

Why do you ask? One of the medical conditions she condemned was the prescription of tobacco smoking (shortly after lunch, they said) as a cure for coughs by medical doctors of her time. Is it a leap of faith from baseless attacking Ellen G. White to what I employ?

Do you employ medical science in your life?

Yes I know. So?

[vooke]

The dumb and idiotic prick said EATING INFECTED MEAT CAUSES CANCER NOT EATING MEAT. And there was no Bovine TB back then so you can bet she had the EXISTING TB which was NEVER caused by eating infected meat
"]People are continually eating flesh that is filled with tuberculous and cancerous germs. Tuberculosis, cancer, and other fatal diseases are thus communicated. (The Ministry of Healing, p.313).

http://www.pcrm.org/health/cancer-resources/diet-cancer/facts/meat-consumption-and-cancer-risk

Overall, these studies showed significant reductions in cancer risk among those who avoided meat.4 In contrast, Harvard studies showed that daily meat eaters have approximately three times the colon cancer risk, compared to those who rarely eat meat....In 2007, the American Institute for Cancer Research (AICR) published their second review of the major studies on food, nutrition, and cancer prevention. For cancers of the oesophagus, lung, pancreas, stomach, collorectum, endometrium, and prostate, it was determined that red meat (beef, pork, or lamb) and processed meat consumption possibly increased cancer risk.

http://www.cancercouncil.com.au/1752/reduce-risks/diet-exercise/nutrition-advice/meat-fish/meat-and-cancer-3/

The relationship between meat consumption and the risk of cancer, especially bowel cancer, has been controversial. The consumption of red meat and processed meat is convincingly associated with a modest increased risk of bowel cancer. There is limited suggestive evidence that red meat may be associated with an increased risk of oesophageal, lung, pancreatic and endometrial cancer, and processed meat with oesophageal, lung, stomach and prostate cancer. There does not appear to be a strong association between red meat or processed meat and the risk of other cancers.

Google is your friend.

CANCER, is it ever transmitted by eating infected meat?

Ellen G. White was clear that the same conditions for repentance that God gave ancient Israel will apply to end-time Israel. Here is a slew of quotations reaffirming her conditional prophecies.

http://www.whiteestate.org/issues/delay.html

Do you need help with TB and cancer from infected meat?
http://www.nhs.uk/news/2013/07July/Pages/Concerns-raised-about-bovine-TB-infected-meat.aspx

http://www.theguardian.com/theguardian/shortcuts/2014/apr/08/what-are-risks-eating-infected-meat
Bovine tuberculosis is an infectious disease in cattle caused by Mycobacterium bovis, which is closely related to the bacterium that is the most common cause of TB in people. Like human TB, it mainly affects the airways and lungs. The bovine TB bacteria can infect humans and cause TB, with symptoms that can include fever, night sweats, persistent cough, diarrhoea, weight loss and abdominal pain. However, this is thought mainly to occur through people consuming unpasteurised milk or dairy products, or, more rarely, being close enough to infected cattle to inhale infected aerosol droplets. The Food Standards Agency has confirmed that there are no known cases of people contracting TB from eating infected meat.

[vooke]

Because she frowned at it and she would have fits in her grave if you disregarded her words

Why do you ask? One of the medical conditions she condemned was the prescription of tobacco smoking (shortly after lunch, they said) as a cure for coughs by medical doctors of her time. Is it a leap of faith from baseless attacking Ellen G. White to what I employ?

[GeeMail]

So how do you suppose an uneducated woman of her time would know that infected meat was causing TB and cancer (both of which medical science is now confirming)? You are splitting hairs rather than simply accepting you were mistaken to call Ellen G. White the names you did. You need to apologize instead.

You could as well argue that the protestantism she knew then was not the one we know today so her prophecy that Protestants would clasp hands with Catholicism was also false.

The dumb and idiotic prick said EATING INFECTED MEAT CAUSES CANCER NOT EATING MEAT. And there was no Bovine TB back then so you can bet she had the EXISTING TB which was NEVER caused by eating infected meat
"]People are continually eating flesh that is filled with tuberculous and cancerous germs. Tuberculosis, cancer, and other fatal diseases are thus communicated. (The Ministry of Healing, p.313).

http://www.pcrm.org/health/cancer-resources/diet-cancer/facts/meat-consumption-and-cancer-risk

Overall, these studies showed significant reductions in cancer risk among those who avoided meat.4 In contrast, Harvard studies showed that daily meat eaters have approximately three times the colon cancer risk, compared to those who rarely eat meat....In 2007, the American Institute for Cancer Research (AICR) published their second review of the major studies on food, nutrition, and cancer prevention. For cancers of the oesophagus, lung, pancreas, stomach, collorectum, endometrium, and prostate, it was determined that red meat (beef, pork, or lamb) and processed meat consumption possibly increased cancer risk.

http://www.cancercouncil.com.au/1752/reduce-risks/diet-exercise/nutrition-advice/meat-fish/meat-and-cancer-3/

The relationship between meat consumption and the risk of cancer, especially bowel cancer, has been controversial. The consumption of red meat and processed meat is convincingly associated with a modest increased risk of bowel cancer. There is limited suggestive evidence that red meat may be associated with an increased risk of oesophageal, lung, pancreatic and endometrial cancer, and processed meat with oesophageal, lung, stomach and prostate cancer. There does not appear to be a strong association between red meat or processed meat and the risk of other cancers.

Google is your friend.

CANCER, is it ever transmitted by eating infected meat?

Ellen G. White was clear that the same conditions for repentance that God gave ancient Israel will apply to end-time Israel. Here is a slew of quotations reaffirming her conditional prophecies.

http://www.whiteestate.org/issues/delay.html

Do you need help with TB and cancer from infected meat?
http://www.nhs.uk/news/2013/07July/Pages/Concerns-raised-about-bovine-TB-infected-meat.aspx

http://www.theguardian.com/theguardian/shortcuts/2014/apr/08/what-are-risks-eating-infected-meat
Bovine tuberculosis is an infectious disease in cattle caused by Mycobacterium bovis, which is closely related to the bacterium that is the most common cause of TB in people. Like human TB, it mainly affects the airways and lungs. The bovine TB bacteria can infect humans and cause TB, with symptoms that can include fever, night sweats, persistent cough, diarrhoea, weight loss and abdominal pain. However, this is thought mainly to occur through people consuming unpasteurised milk or dairy products, or, more rarely, being close enough to infected cattle to inhale infected aerosol droplets. The Food Standards Agency has confirmed that there are no known cases of people contracting TB from eating infected meat.

[GeeMail]

Oh, I see. And what do you suppose would be her reaction if she read the names you called her today?

Because she frowned at it and she would have fits in her grave if you disregarded her words

[mya88]

So how do you suppose an uneducated woman of her time would know that infected meat was causing TB and cancer (both of which medical science is now confirming)? You are splitting hairs rather than simply accepting you were mistaken to call Ellen G. White the names you did. You need to apologize instead.

The dumb and idiotic prick said EATING INFECTED MEAT CAUSES CANCER NOT EATING MEAT. And there was no Bovine TB back then so you can bet she had the EXISTING TB which was NEVER caused by eating infected meat
"]People are continually eating flesh that is filled with tuberculous and cancerous germs. Tuberculosis, cancer, and other fatal diseases are thus communicated. (The Ministry of Healing, p.313).

http://www.pcrm.org/health/cancer-resources/diet-cancer/facts/meat-consumption-and-cancer-risk

Overall, these studies showed significant reductions in cancer risk among those who avoided meat.4 In contrast, Harvard studies showed that daily meat eaters have approximately three times the colon cancer risk, compared to those who rarely eat meat....In 2007, the American Institute for Cancer Research (AICR) published their second review of the major studies on food, nutrition, and cancer prevention. For cancers of the oesophagus, lung, pancreas, stomach, collorectum, endometrium, and prostate, it was determined that red meat (beef, pork, or lamb) and processed meat consumption possibly increased cancer risk.

http://www.cancercouncil.com.au/1752/reduce-risks/diet-exercise/nutrition-advice/meat-fish/meat-and-cancer-3/

The relationship between meat consumption and the risk of cancer, especially bowel cancer, has been controversial. The consumption of red meat and processed meat is convincingly associated with a modest increased risk of bowel cancer. There is limited suggestive evidence that red meat may be associated with an increased risk of oesophageal, lung, pancreatic and endometrial cancer, and processed meat with oesophageal, lung, stomach and prostate cancer. There does not appear to be a strong association between red meat or processed meat and the risk of other cancers.

Google is your friend.

CANCER, is it ever transmitted by eating infected meat?

Ellen G. White was clear that the same conditions for repentance that God gave ancient Israel will apply to end-time Israel. Here is a slew of quotations reaffirming her conditional prophecies.

http://www.whiteestate.org/issues/delay.html

Do you need help with TB and cancer from infected meat?
http://www.nhs.uk/news/2013/07July/Pages/Concerns-raised-about-bovine-TB-infected-meat.aspx

http://www.theguardian.com/theguardian/shortcuts/2014/apr/08/what-are-risks-eating-infected-meat
Bovine tuberculosis is an infectious disease in cattle caused by Mycobacterium bovis, which is closely related to the bacterium that is the most common cause of TB in people. Like human TB, it mainly affects the airways and lungs. The bovine TB bacteria can infect humans and cause TB, with symptoms that can include fever, night sweats, persistent cough, diarrhoea, weight loss and abdominal pain. However, this is thought mainly to occur through people consuming unpasteurised milk or dairy products, or, more rarely, being close enough to infected cattle to inhale infected aerosol droplets. The Food Standards Agency has confirmed that there are no known cases of people contracting TB from eating infected meat.

Lets not get ahead of ourselves. Medical science has never confirmed that TB and cancers are spread from eating contaminated meat. Negro'es please,

[GeeMail]

Lets not get ahead of ourselves. Medical science has never confirmed that TB and cancers are spread from eating contaminated meat. Negro'es please,

Mya88 what do you make of the quoted studies and statements in red? Voke cited the quote from Ellen G. White's Ministry of Healing as proof that she is "a stupid prick." I humbly submit that she was way, way ahead of her time. That she wrote what she did about meat, TB, cancer, tobacco etc without medical training let alone proper formal schooling tells a lot about her inspiration.
Again, we may not like the pioneers of certain churches, but that does not justify calling them "stupid pricks" without proof or substantiation. Voke should apologize.

[vooke]

This is the problem with indoctrination. You are showed clear examples of failed prophecies and you flash 3 more that came to pass. You are shown idiotic advice and you flash to other seemingly appropriate advice. And now you are flashing the 'un-educated' card

She was not a journalist but a prophet, that's why we DEMAND more from her over and above the BS she was spewing to idiots around her.

She extensively plagiarized. Btw, she has absolutely nothing on Joseph Smith of Mormons when it comes to creativity. Creativity does not turn a charlatan into a man of God am sorry to remind you. You need to ask yourself HOW MUCH of what she purported to share as advice was FREELY available during her time. There is absolutely NOTHING novel in her advice, the 'good advice' that is ignoring the retRded counsel she felt she had to share

So how do you suppose an uneducated woman of her time would know that infected meat was causing TB and cancer (both of which medical science is now confirming)? You are splitting hairs rather than simply accepting you were mistaken to call Ellen G. White the names you did. You need to apologize instead.

You could as well argue that the protestantism she knew then was not the one we know today so her prophecy that Protestants would clasp hands with Catholicism was also