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Crime against humanity in Ukraine. Civilians killed
« on: April 03, 2022, 04:03:46 AM »
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Re: Crime against humanity in Ukraine. Civilians killed
« Reply #1 on: April 03, 2022, 04:49:59 AM »
Russians have never cared about civilians in their wars.   They just blow them up indiscriminately from a distance.  But this one is different because they did it up close.  Their hatred of Ukrainians seems visceral.
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Re: Crime against humanity in Ukraine. Civilians killed
« Reply #2 on: April 03, 2022, 02:01:33 PM »
Russian military doctrine is about bombing senseless the enemy into submission. So when you hear some guys saying how Russia was taking care to not harm civilians I even don't reply coz that's like arguing with a toddler who will throw tantrums,if they needed an example they should check Mariupol which has being bombarded to ashes by Russians

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Re: Crime against humanity in Ukraine. Civilians killed
« Reply #3 on: April 03, 2022, 03:02:04 PM »
Russian military doctrine is about bombing senseless the enemy into submission. So when you hear some guys saying how Russia was taking care to not harm civilians I even don't reply coz that's like arguing with a toddler who will throw tantrums,if they needed an example they should check Mariupol which has being bombarded to ashes by Russians

Njuri, your takes are even more misinformed than dedicated watchers of CNN, yet you're calling people toddlers.  :)

Why are the civilian numbers so much fewer than the military?

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Re: Crime against humanity in Ukraine. Civilians killed
« Reply #4 on: April 03, 2022, 03:04:25 PM »

You claim to be a military expert now tell me how many civilians have died in Ukraine war and how many military men have died ?

Russian military doctrine is about bombing senseless the enemy into submission. So when you hear some guys saying how Russia was taking care to not harm civilians I even don't reply coz that's like arguing with a toddler who will throw tantrums,if they needed an example they should check Mariupol which has being bombarded to ashes by Russians

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Re: Crime against humanity in Ukraine. Civilians killed
« Reply #5 on: April 03, 2022, 04:42:56 PM »
Russian military doctrine is about bombing senseless the enemy into submission. So when you hear some guys saying how Russia was taking care to not harm civilians I even don't reply coz that's like arguing with a toddler who will throw tantrums,if they needed an example they should check Mariupol which has being bombarded to ashes by Russians

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Re: Crime against humanity in Ukraine. Civilians killed
« Reply #6 on: April 03, 2022, 04:44:59 PM »
Russian military doctrine is about bombing senseless the enemy into submission. So when you hear some guys saying how Russia was taking care to not harm civilians I even don't reply coz that's like arguing with a toddler who will throw tantrums,if they needed an example they should check Mariupol which has being bombarded to ashes by Russians
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Re: Crime against humanity in Ukraine. Civilians killed
« Reply #7 on: April 03, 2022, 05:01:35 PM »
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I counted close to 15 bodies, some of them hogtied - in that link alone.  Should we expect to see prosecutions in Russia?  I am not holding my breath for that. 
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Re: Crime against humanity in Ukraine. Civilians killed
« Reply #8 on: April 03, 2022, 05:23:48 PM »

You claim to be a military expert now tell me how many civilians have died in Ukraine war and how many military men have died ?

Russian military doctrine is about bombing senseless the enemy into submission. So when you hear some guys saying how Russia was taking care to not harm civilians I even don't reply coz that's like arguing with a toddler who will throw tantrums,if they needed an example they should check Mariupol which has being bombarded to ashes by Russians
The civilian toll is very high but your masters control the media RT that you only watch no one can tell now ,but expect the real toll to be known once Russia vacates from an area they occupied, that's always the case in wars the real death toll is known long after.

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Re: Crime against humanity in Ukraine. Civilians killed
« Reply #9 on: April 03, 2022, 05:24:17 PM »
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I counted close to 15 bodies, some of them hogtied - in that link alone.  Should we expect to see prosecutions in Russia?  I am not holding my breath for that.

No moral cowards are in the majority. France and Germany can't wait to buy Russian oil and gas

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Re: Crime against humanity in Ukraine. Civilians killed
« Reply #10 on: April 03, 2022, 05:28:08 PM »
Russian military doctrine is about bombing senseless the enemy into submission. So when you hear some guys saying how Russia was taking care to not harm civilians I even don't reply coz that's like arguing with a toddler who will throw tantrums,if they needed an example they should check Mariupol which has being bombarded to ashes by Russians

Njuri, your takes are even more misinformed than dedicated watchers of CNN, yet you're calling people toddlers.  :)

Why are the civilian numbers so much fewer than the military?
Like I told noway the toll is much higher but we can't know now,but maybe you comparing the toll to African wars. There a number of factors one Ukraine has war bunkers taht people can take refuge in when being bombarded, Secondly the hotspot areas were quickly evacuated to safer areas west and out of the country before Russian moved in, several factors cant say all now. Don't have time have to get my herd of Dorper sheep back from the fields into the pens

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Re: Crime against humanity in Ukraine. Civilians killed
« Reply #11 on: April 03, 2022, 06:41:10 PM »
No moral cowards are in the majority. France and Germany can't wait to buy Russian oil and gas

Weuweh . . . EU countries who need the gas and oil to maintain their industry and therefore economy (i.e jobs and income for their people) are moral cowards if they refuse to sacrifice their people but US, the one who created the mess to begin with is what? Do you know they've exempted (from their sanctions) fertilizer and other things important to the US economy that are difficult to replace in short order? So Europe should sacrifice Europeans while America protects Americans?

Acheni kujipenda sana hivyo  :D

And all this why? Let's remember: It's coz the US is determined for the Ukraine to be in NATO. Everyone in the world should suffer and also risk nuclear war because Ukraine can't be neutral. This is madness.  :D

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Re: Crime against humanity in Ukraine. Civilians killed
« Reply #12 on: April 03, 2022, 06:49:01 PM »

Like I told noway the toll is much higher but we can't know now,but maybe you comparing the toll to African wars. There a number of factors one Ukraine has war bunkers taht people can take refuge in when being bombarded, Secondly the hotspot areas were quickly evacuated to safer areas west and out of the country before Russian moved in, several factors cant say all now. Don't have time have to get my herd of Dorper sheep back from the fields into the pens

I'm not comparing to Africa at all. What I read, at least from Ritter, is that normal (meaning American) wars typically have 1 to 1 numbers or far higher. The number the UN have found in Ukraine so far are incredibly low, 1 civilian for every 3 dead military.

That just doesn't jive with the idea that Russia is either recklessly and indiscriminately hitting civilians or deliberately targeting them. It much more aligns with a deliberate and super careful attempt to avoid hitting civilians, even well beyond the strict rules of the Law of Conflict (IHL).

I also understand Ukrainian units that are not the proper army, i.e the Nazi ones, are unabashedly using civilian areas as command centers and other military uses, which is a war crime. So it's possible that even the relatively low numbers of civilians found so far may have been even lower if these guys cared about rules of IHL like normal, professional militaries do.

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Re: Crime against humanity in Ukraine. Civilians killed
« Reply #13 on: April 03, 2022, 07:49:33 PM »
Reasons are several like I told you,have you paused to think that Ukraine also has a more robust emergency health system,fire and disaster response all this count furthmore none of Ukrainian institution has collapsed, hospital s are still on. But the death toll will be known once occupied areas are liberated as graves and other areas of crimes are found like what just happened in Bucha.

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Re: Crime against humanity in Ukraine. Civilians killed
« Reply #14 on: April 03, 2022, 09:40:11 PM »
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Re: Crime against humanity in Ukraine. Civilians killed
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Re: Crime against humanity in Ukraine. Civilians killed
« Reply #17 on: April 04, 2022, 01:19:54 AM »
Russians have never cared about civilians in their wars.   They just blow them up indiscriminately from a distance.  But this one is different because they did it up close.  Their hatred of Ukrainians seems visceral.

And they haven't counted the ones inside apartment buildings, and other areas yet.
We are only seeing the ones that were killed while on the road.
They went to kill anything alive.

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Re: Crime against humanity in Ukraine. Civilians killed
« Reply #18 on: April 04, 2022, 02:09:26 AM »
Many buried outside apartments yards in shallow graves

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Re: Crime against humanity in Ukraine. Civilians killed
« Reply #19 on: April 04, 2022, 02:41:38 AM »
410 bodies recovered so far
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