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Re: Crime against humanity in Ukraine. Civilians killed
« Reply #20 on: April 04, 2022, 04:20:39 AM »
You could think that they know that this is war crime,  but ........Like Trump they are  the law.

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Re: Crime against humanity in Ukraine. Civilians killed
« Reply #21 on: April 04, 2022, 04:44:09 AM »
You could think that they know that this is war crime,  but ........Like Trump they are  the law.

That how Russians roll. They are just evil. Anyway putin has put them back to where they were before Hitler attacked them

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Re: Crime against humanity in Ukraine. Civilians killed
« Reply #22 on: April 04, 2022, 07:36:35 AM »
Well, I'm reading Russia has protested this as staged and a provocation and called for an emergency Security Council meeting. I'm guessing they will demand an international investigation.

Remembering what happened with Assad's alleged chemical attacks, I'll wait for the UN investigations I expect will be coming after this SC meeting. We were similarly flooded with scenes of horror even then. Best to wait for impartial experts on the scene.

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Re: Crime against humanity in Ukraine. Civilians killed
« Reply #23 on: April 04, 2022, 12:58:04 PM »
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Re: Crime against humanity in Ukraine. Civilians killed
« Reply #24 on: April 04, 2022, 04:17:36 PM »
Wow no there is clear indications that this is a genocide. May be that is why Russia retreated so quickly. Seems something terrible went down.

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Re: Crime against humanity in Ukraine. Civilians killed
« Reply #25 on: April 04, 2022, 04:22:18 PM »
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This here is video evidence on how average Russians are primed to see Ukrainians as subhuman. I have another video from omgleee. It is ugly but if Russia makes it back to Ukraine it I'll be disastrous

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Re: Crime against humanity in Ukraine. Civilians killed
« Reply #26 on: April 04, 2022, 06:33:36 PM »
Well, I'm reading Russia has protested this as staged and a provocation and called for an emergency Security Council meeting. I'm guessing they will demand an international investigation.

Remembering what happened with Assad's alleged and confirmed chemical attacks, I'll wait for the UN investigations I expect will be coming after this SC meeting. We were similarly flooded with scenes of horror even then. Best to wait for impartial experts on the scene.

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Re: Crime against humanity in Ukraine. Civilians killed
« Reply #27 on: April 04, 2022, 09:03:20 PM »

Termie, 2017 was 4 years after Obama lied Assad had used chemical weapons to justify US entering the war. It was found to be a lie. In fact, Trump was president by this time you're referring to here in this quote. Whatever incident you're highlighting there is clearly not the one I've referred to here at all. My point has never been that Assad was a good guy. It was always that the US point-blank lied, which they did. We were flooded with horrific images at that time, 2013, during the hype. And yet those attacks they were trying to use were in fact by their own guys (who they were funding and backing in Syria). The same could very well be happening in Bucha and surrounding areas. Which is why I'm waiting for the experts to turn up, do forensics on those cadavers etc, then we'll know when they died, if they were moved, how they died, etc.

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Re: Crime against humanity in Ukraine. Civilians killed
« Reply #28 on: April 04, 2022, 09:23:53 PM »

Termie, 2017 was 4 years after Obama lied Assad had used chemical weapons to justify US entering the war. It was found to be a lie. In fact, Trump was president by this time you're referring to here in this quote. Whatever incident you're highlighting there is clearly not the one I've referred to here at all. My point has never been that Assad was a good guy. It was always that the US point-blank lied, which they did. We were flooded with horrific images at that time, 2013, during the hype. And yet those attacks they were trying to use were in fact by their own guys (who they were funding and backing in Syria). The same could very well be happening in Bucha and surrounding areas. Which is why I'm waiting for the experts to turn up, do forensics on those cadavers etc, then we'll know when they died, if they were moved, how they died, etc.

Noted.  I just think comparing Ukrainians to some crazed Muslim terrorists in Syria is a stretch.
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Re: Crime against humanity in Ukraine. Civilians killed
« Reply #29 on: April 04, 2022, 09:30:14 PM »

https://www.rt.com/russia/553231-bucha-war-crimes-allegations-denied/

OMG, they denied it!!

Anyway, tell your conspiracy theory source to read up on rigor mortis before they post.
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Re: Crime against humanity in Ukraine. Civilians killed
« Reply #32 on: April 05, 2022, 03:07:19 AM »
NATO should just Bomb Moscow to smitherings let the fuckers do what they wish. Fuck them to stoneage

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Re: Crime against humanity in Ukraine. Civilians killed
« Reply #33 on: April 05, 2022, 04:07:43 AM »
NATO should just Bomb Moscow to smitherings let the fuckers do what they wish. Fuck them to stoneage

Putin will declare it an existential threat and unleash nuclear every corner of this earth, including Kenya.
Back to policy of containment of cold war

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Re: Crime against humanity in Ukraine. Civilians killed
« Reply #34 on: April 05, 2022, 04:19:09 AM »
Fuck him. Just kill Jim. Send 1 million soldiers and hunt him down and just half the Russian population

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Re: Crime against humanity in Ukraine. Civilians killed
« Reply #35 on: April 05, 2022, 02:01:43 PM »
The West (UK) have blocked a Security Council meeting. 8) Russians are still insisting on one.

I was 50:50 'wait and see' before, now I'm 80:20 the Buccha story is RUBBISH. No one who knows their side is telling the truth will ever block an independent investigation, especially, especially when they're in control of the site of evidence. This smells too much like one Kenyan institution refusing to open one crucial server at some point. And the speed with which the Russian have moved to this investigation route concerning a town they no longer control lends even more credence to their denials.

Until they allow this quickly enough while the scenes are least disturbed, I'll maintain SERIOUS cynicism about Ukrainian/Western claims about war crimes in Buccha. Especially when there's that video of Ukrainians deliberately shooting civilians for not wearing the band that signals support for Ukrainians (blue) over Russians (White).

By the way, the corpses in the Buccha videos had the Russian (White) one. They could very well have been executed after Ukrainians took over the town on 1st April for perceived treason. We don't know! And without actual investigations, treating this with maximum skepticism. It is very naive to go with one side of the story in a war. There's an information war going on alongside the actual war and one side has all the microphones!

And anyone who thinks Ukrainians are above war crimes needs to read about what they've been doing to Eastern Ukraine for 8 consecutive years. Iyo tu. They are no angels, they've even threatened Zelensky with death by hanging, those Nazi units, if he makes a peace deal they dislike.

Their claims should be treated with EXACTLY the amount of skepticism one treats Russia. And one should remember, Russia has ZERO to gain from committing a war crime and leaving all the evidence for the world to gawk at, whereas Ukraine has LOTS to gain by riling up the West into more involvement in the war . . . Just like was the case in Syria 2013.

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Re: Crime against humanity in Ukraine. Civilians killed
« Reply #36 on: April 05, 2022, 02:32:31 PM »
This has become an academic lecture by kadame about whataboutism

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Re: Crime against humanity in Ukraine. Civilians killed
« Reply #37 on: April 05, 2022, 02:32:44 PM »
The UN Security Council will hold a discussion on the subject today.  According to reuters.
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April 4 (Reuters) - Russia's foreign ministry said it would reiterate its request for the U.N. Security Council to meet on Monday over what Moscow called the "criminal provocations by Ukrainian soldiers and radicals" in the town of Bucha near Kyiv.

Britain's mission to the United Nations, which holds the presidency of the 15-member council for April, had said the Council would hold a scheduled discussion on Ukraine on Tuesday, and not meet on Monday as requested by Russia.

"Today Russia will again demand that the U.N. Security Council convene in connection with the criminal provocations of Ukrainian servicemen and radicals in this city," Foreign Ministry spokesperson Maria Zakharova wrote on her Telegram channel.

Ukrainian authorities said on Sunday they were investigating possible war crimes by Russia after finding hundreds of bodies strewn around towns outside the capital Kyiv following Russian troops' withdrawal from the area. read more

The Russian defence ministry said the images distributed by Ukraine were "another staged performance by the Kyiv regime", and Russia's chief investigator on Monday ordered a probe on the basis that Ukraine had spread "deliberately false information" about Russian armed forces in Bucha. read more

Russia sent tens of thousands of troops into Ukraine on Feb. 24 in what it called a special operation to degrade its southern neighbour's military capabilities and root out people it called dangerous nationalists.

Ukrainian forces have mounted stiff resistance and the West has imposed sweeping sanctions on Russia in an effort to force it to withdraw its forces.

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/russia-ask-un-security-council-again-discuss-bucha-provocations-2022-04-04/
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Re: Crime against humanity in Ukraine. Civilians killed
« Reply #38 on: April 05, 2022, 02:47:56 PM »
The UN Security Council will hold a discussion on the subject today.  According to reuters.
https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/russia-ask-un-security-council-again-discuss-bucha-provocations-2022-04-04/

You're right, Termie! I thought at first you're referring to old news from yesterday but I've checked.

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Russians complained yesterday that the UK breached UNSC procedure to deny them a meeting and continued to push for one.

I'm back to 50:50, 'wait and see' until an independent investigations team reports to the Council on Buccha. :)

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Re: Crime against humanity in Ukraine. Civilians killed
« Reply #39 on: April 05, 2022, 02:54:23 PM »
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