Obama was wrong to support the 2014 coup, I agree. And don't get me started on Libya and Syria!!!! But he was more careful towards Russia and China than what has followed him, IMO. Hawkish as any US president but with some caution: He explicitly said Ukraine was more important to Russia than to the US and wouldn't be warring Russia over them. He would've led the negotiations that have now stalled to some kind of resolution, I believe. Trump's re-election made Democrats NUTS and changed everything about how they were talking to Russia.
Libya was the right call. Gaddafi was going to kill a lot of people. Here I am talking specifically Obama call not to confront Russia in Syria. He was too cautious against putin and putin realized America had no will to fight him. As for Libya it is a lazy white supremacist American right wing propaganda on intervention there. I followed that revolution there from start to end. Gaddafi had several chances to leave alive but he was too egoistic to do so. Once a non fly zone was imposed all he needed to do is negotiate and at that point he would have kept his power. But I can't let your antiwest rhetoric go unchallenged. America must assert her power and let these dictators go unchallenged
You're just regurgitating the standard narrative we all followed on CNN, with the usual holes leaving out the West's blunders.
France and the US straight out LIED to the Security Council that they were going to establish the no-fly zone for strict peace-keeping, i.e. to separate Gadaffi forces from Benghazi's rebels. The AU was going to negotiate peace-talks, along with the Arab league. China and Russia agreed NOT TO VETO based squarely on these fake promises. Then the MOMENT it passed, Sarkozy and Obama IMMEDIATELY changed their rhetoric from peace-keeping to REGIME change, which was the game all along. It is the reason the US will never get another cooperative moment at the Council again. Then we found out from WikiLeaks, of course, that Hilary and the French had all along planned and PUSHED for the whole thing: they determined to get rid of Gadaffi long before. Which is no wonder she celebrated his brutal death in that infamous Aljazeera video. I don't even blame Obama for Libya so much as her. She's a republican war-hawk, Bush in a skirt; and Libya was something she and the French orchestrated for other reasons than love of Libyans. No different than their plan to kick Assad out, known 5 years before the alleged "opposition" rose up.
Hii unatwambia is the kawaida "Let me assume everything I read in Western media is the full and complete story and not bother with any other angle." Tumezoea. We all followed the Arab spring: Swali ni, what sources did you limit yourself to, both during and after?
And ati 'right call'
: Look at Libya now and tell me with a straight face they're better off than they were when Gadaffi was president.
From near 1st-world living standards to ISIL, slave-markets, rampant human trafficking and everything vile you can imagine. The West's involvement was nothing but DISASTER for Libyans! The AU (and Arab League) would've negotiated a peace deal that would've allowed the country to move on without reverting to 5th century Arabia. Perhaps Libya would've ended up federalizing or made some minimal constitutional reforms that may have allowed free elections at some point down the road. But no! The French wanted Gadaffi gone and roped in Hilary and the Americans to help them, not giving two cents about Libyans.
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