Kibaki era corruption cases getting concluding

[RV Pundit]

They are same side of the coin - output of justice system is to jail folks - judges and magistrates - inquire the capacity of the prison - before handing sentences - every const deserve a prison and a court to handle their wayward people right there.

We need to give judiciary funding to build 300 more courts and 300 new prisons - these prisons should be as good as developed world - each person on their own bed - etc etc.Prison should not be a death sentence - it should be a correctional services.

But nobody wants to think about such essential services.

Once you get a working judiciary - then we can start mending our broken society - because court system is the one to enforce law and order

Prisons problem separate from judiciary. many prisons reduced population to handle Covid. New court have been there. Few but there. More new judges new magistrates also.

[Kadudu]

Why do judges still have "summer" holida in Jul for 6 weeks? Are we still Brits who require summer holidays? The judiciar should have like all other government 30 das leave in a year.

No it's not just corruption..we have too few judges and courts.. rarely expanded despite population increasing ten times since 1960s...when did you last hear new court or prison?

[RV Pundit]

There are some quick wins but to radical improve we need to makes radical changes - judiciary fund is needed. Ruto seem to understand this and will fix it. We have an underfunded judiciary - and we dont appreciate the needs to invest in courts, prisons and etc.

Why do judges still have "summer" holida in Jul for 6 weeks? Are we still Brits who require summer holidays? The judiciar should have like all other government 30 das leave in a year.

[Kadudu]

You simply do not get it. Your idol Ruto is a direct beneficiary of this corrupt judicial system. You know very well where he would be today had Kenya a working judicial system.

There are some quick wins but to radical improve we need to makes radical changes - judiciary fund is needed. Ruto seem to understand this and will fix it. We have an underfunded judiciary - and we dont appreciate the needs to invest in courts, prisons and etc.

[RV Pundit]

Ruto was tried in ICC - donge?
And as incoming PORK - Ruto will have criminal immunity - Donge?

Ruto understand such broken court system is not good for everyone - even the politicians

Solution - triple judiciary budget

You simply do not get it. Your idol Ruto is a direct beneficiary of this corrupt judicial system. You know very well where he would be today had Kenya a working judicial system.

[RV Pundit]

The reason why cons thrive in Kenya is because of an ineffectual Judiciary & law enforcement system prone to compromise.

Good business environment is not just about regulations & the economy, but also about dispute resolution & the legal system.

— Mihr Thakar (@MihrThakar) February 1, 2022

[GeeMail]

Ruto was tried in ICC - donge?
And as incoming PORK - Ruto will have criminal immunity - Donge?

Ruto understand such broken court system is not good for everyone - even the politicians

Solution - triple judiciary budget

You simply do not get it. Your idol Ruto is a direct beneficiary of this corrupt judicial system. You know very well where he would be today had Kenya a working judicial system.

Under Maraga judiciary adopted online session due to covid restrictions. Saved a lot of time and logistics. Cannot work well in all circumstances but very good way to go. If improved and used more this system can reduce backlog substantially. Cases can be heard round the clock. Litigant can burn midnight oil waiting if its crucial case.

https://www.the-star.co.ke/news/2020-07-01-cj-maraga-launches-e-filing-portal-as-judiciary-goes-digital/

[RV Pundit]

Yes Shollei really disappointed with her corruption - but she had good ideas on this. TECH will help judiciary deal with capacity issues. We need to realize this serious issues - and call for reforms.

It's really not about politician case - but dispute btw rest of us - 99 percent of cases have nothing to do with corruption - it's land disputes or petty crimes - this is where it hurt us the most.

Ruto was tried in ICC - donge?
And as incoming PORK - Ruto will have criminal immunity - Donge?

Ruto understand such broken court system is not good for everyone - even the politicians

Solution - triple judiciary budget

You simply do not get it. Your idol Ruto is a direct beneficiary of this corrupt judicial system. You know very well where he would be today had Kenya a working judicial system.

Under Maraga judiciary adopted online session due to covid restrictions. Saved a lot of time and logistics. Cannot work well in all circumstances but very good way to go. If improved and used more this system can reduce backlog substantially. Cases can be heard round the clock. Litigant can burn midnight oil waiting if its crucial case.

https://www.the-star.co.ke/news/2020-07-01-cj-maraga-launches-e-filing-portal-as-judiciary-goes-digital/

[RV Pundit]

Small claims court is another winner.
Court deal with dispute of 1m and less.
Cases heard and determined in 3 days or so.

[Dear Mami]

I know the Judiciary has a long way to go and is a mess but things have MASSIVELY improved. Mutunga basically transformed the Kenyan judiciary to such a level that regionally, as bad as things are, we are much further ahead of others. Because of the SCOK presidential election petition, he's not remembered fondly, but he truly did a LOT. Just read this article from this Princeton fella way back in 2015 reviewing the Mutunga reforms between 2011-2015. He basically took us from a primitive, backwater joke of a judicial system to a modern one, albeit with problems.

https://www.opengovpartnership.org/wpcontent/uploads/2019/06/MG_OGP_Kenya.pdf

Maraga did a LOT to boost judicial independence but administratively, Mutunga is the man, and he started basically from scratch. He set the foundation. But unfortunately, these types of reforms are not as well known in the layman world as the big impact cases.

[RV Pundit]

Yes - we are on the mend - Uhuru didnt get over 2017 maraga decision (petulant kid)- otherwise judiciary deserve to be funded - so it can hire three times more - build more courts - and prison should do the same.

So we have small problem of scaling - otherwise judiciary is now truly independent and is also competently starved.

It just scaling the reforms - by opening more courts

I know the Judiciary has a long way to go and is a mess but things have MASSIVELY improved. Mutunga basically transformed the Kenyan judiciary to such a level that regionally, as bad as things are, we are much further ahead of others. Because of the SCOK presidential election petition, he's not remembered fondly, but he truly did a LOT. Just read this article from this Princeton fella way back in 2015 reviewing the Mutunga reforms between 2011-2015. He basically took us from a primitive, backwater joke of a judicial system to a modern one, albeit with problems.

https://www.opengovpartnership.org/wpcontent/uploads/2019/06/MG_OGP_Kenya.pdf

Maraga did a LOT to boost judicial independence but administratively, Mutunga is the man. But unfortunately, these types of reforms are not as well known in the layman world as the big impact cases.

[Dear Mami]

I agree on budget! We are not yet at the International standard, in terms of both capacity and budget, I believe. Judiciary with a still-small but much improved budget in the new constitutional dispensation, starting with Mutunga, has made huge reforms. They need an adequate budget to hire enough officers and build enough facilities and digitize even more (already Mutunga even back then was trying to digitize as much as possible to help with tracking cases and transparency as well as efficiency issues). They need a big enough budget. They will do the rest all on their own.

[RV Pundit]

Yes - executive should not tell them what to do - just allow judiciary to keep the fines - and add them small money - they can self-finances from the fines. Budget now is 17B - but it need to rise upto 50B. Once we have built 300 high courts in every const - then it become just hiring staff and recurrent expenditure.

Judiciary fund is required.

I agree on budget! We are not yet at the International standard, in terms of both capacity and budget, I believe. Judiciary with a still-small but much improved budget in the new constitutional dispensation, starting with Mutunga, has made huge reforms. They need an adequate budget to hire enough officers and build enough facilities and digitize even more (already Mutunga even back then was trying to digitize as much as possible to help with tracking cases and transparency as well as efficiency issues). They need a big enough budget. They will do the rest all on their own.

[Dear Mami]

I can see a small ethical problem with allowing them to directly benefit from the fines, (at least perception wise, like how the US for-profit prisons have ended up raising questions about whether those sentences are truly meted out fairly or to benefit this arrangement) but controlling a bigger budget is paramount. The Courts function much better administratively, and there are even citizen/public complaints mechanisms. Any backlog at this point is mostly due to fewer officers than the public needs. The solution is money. The Judiciary already how many more people they need. And yes, Shollei was very sharp. If only she didn't let her Kenyanness influence her so much. She was part of Mutunga's reforms.

[Nowayhaha]

Shollei was technically running Judiciary and was brought down by Judges who wanted status quo. Her undoing was running to the media. If only she could have played her game politically.
All said and done Mutunga really tried. Being someone from Academia with limited Managerial skills he could identify the best Judicial officers and place them in the right positions.
From Ngugi as the one Running Judicial Training Institute to his advisors. Unfortunately time was not on his side.
Now we have Koome with 10 years but we expect Judicary to retrogress.

I can see a small ethical problem with allowing them to directly benefit from the fines, (at least perception wise, like how the US for-profit prisons have ended up raising questions about whether those sentences are truly meted out fairly or to benefit this arrangement) but controlling a bigger budget is paramount. The Courts function much better administratively, and there are even citizen/public complaints mechanisms. Any backlog at this point is mostly due to fewer officers than the public needs. The solution is money. The Judiciary already how many more people they need. And yes, Shollei was very sharp. If only she didn't let her Kenyanness influence her so much. She was part of Mutunga's reforms.

[gout]

Seems 2010 EACC had water tight cases unlike hii kamata kamata friday intimidation jokes. Bit by bit the system can work.

Haji also seems to be getting it right with the prosecutors.

https://www.businessdailyafrica.com/bd/news/ex-warma-boss-fined-sh7-6m-for-taking-bribes-from-his-juniors-3701860

[GeeMail]

They are same side of the coin - output of justice system is to jail folks - judges and magistrates - inquire the capacity of the prison - before handing sentences - every const deserve a prison and a court to handle their wayward people right there.

We need to give judiciary funding to build 300 more courts and 300 new prisons - these prisons should be as good as developed world - each person on their own bed - etc etc.Prison should not be a death sentence - it should be a correctional services.

But nobody wants to think about such essential services.

Once you get a working judiciary - then we can start mending our broken society - because court system is the one to enforce law and order

Prisons problem separate from judiciary. many prisons reduced population to handle Covid. New court have been there. Few but there. More new judges new magistrates also.

If judiciary budget allocation increase we hope no policy makers listening to such bad advice. Let ministry of Home Affairs like in Moi time of Moody Awori handle prison side. Awori reform gave conjugal rights with no budget increase to judiciary. Repeat. More prison is not more justice. Thin dividing line but important.