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Tabitha needs to let go off Keroche
« on: January 19, 2022, 10:33:39 AM »
As a diehard imbiber of Summit since 2009, it is getting frustrating not getting the beer even in Nairobi. It no longer reaches the Coast! 13 years and no proper logistics, supply chain!

Tabitha is strangling her baby and will end up like Muriungi's MasterMind. Let her hire Germans to run the plant. What is so hard in fixing a proper supply chain with the likes of DHL, G4S and even new entrants such as Copia reaching every corner of Kenya? Even matatus like Kenya Mpya and 2NK have parcels reaching nearly every corner.

She also needs to fire long serving staff who are abetting with KRA in these tax torments. Once she hires mzungu, mzungu can fire everyone without her taking the bile. It could be even his husband or the kids snitching to KRA thugs! Kenya is one nasty shithole where everyone will scheme for some millions.

Then she can flip shares. It is definitely a profitable venture but needs ruthlessness to deal with equally ruthless EABL.

https://www.businessdailyafrica.com/bd/corporate/companies/keroche-financial-crisis-deepens-defaults-on-tax-3685714
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Re: Tabitha needs to let go off Keroche
« Reply #1 on: January 19, 2022, 10:55:44 AM »
Good advice
But probably too late.
She needs to find strategic partner who understand beer business
Sell her stake there.
Maybe Heineken or SAB Miller.
Retain 40 percent.

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Re: Tabitha needs to let go off Keroche
« Reply #2 on: January 19, 2022, 11:01:54 AM »
Her entry into politics means the end of Keroche. She should have stuck to business and kept off politics. The two do not go together unless first politics, to make easy money and then business.
She will end up using a lot of money to campaign and might even end up not winning the seat.

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Re: Tabitha needs to let go off Keroche
« Reply #3 on: January 19, 2022, 11:04:23 AM »
She will be auctioned post election.
Her entry into politics means the end of Keroche. She should have stuck to business and kept off politics. The two do not go together unless first politics, to make easy money and then business.
She will end up using a lot of money to campaign and might even end up not winning the seat.

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Re: Tabitha needs to let go off Keroche
« Reply #4 on: January 19, 2022, 11:30:10 AM »
Selling a stake would give her a campaigns kitty and save the business.

How does Ruto see investments in alcohol production?
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Re: Tabitha needs to let go off Keroche
« Reply #5 on: January 19, 2022, 11:36:29 AM »
Ruto like Moi intend to crackdown hard on alcohol business especially the low spirits.
Selling a stake would give her a campaigns kitty and save the business.

How does Ruto see investments in alcohol production?

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Re: Tabitha needs to let go off Keroche
« Reply #6 on: January 19, 2022, 11:47:20 AM »
Ruto would sell Rachel to make a penny. Man without any morals. Just talk.

Selling a stake would give her a campaigns kitty and save the business.

How does Ruto see investments in alcohol production?

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Re: Tabitha needs to let go off Keroche
« Reply #7 on: January 20, 2022, 11:25:46 PM »
There's no real capitalism in Kenya. What you have in Kenya is crony capitalism where the wrong people are rewarded for doing the wrong things.  It's basically a criminal mafia state. How else would you explain what's happening to Keroche? 

Besides Equity bank what other indigenously owned businesses have been allowed to thrive and grow without political interference? In fact, I don't know how EQuity bank survived Moi (why didn't he try to finish them? why didn't kibaki try to destroy them? how have they survived the mafia/gangsterism of Kenya?

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Re: Tabitha needs to let go off Keroche
« Reply #8 on: January 21, 2022, 01:31:37 AM »
As a diehard imbiber of Summit since 2009, it is getting frustrating not getting the beer even in Nairobi. It no longer reaches the Coast! 13 years and no proper logistics, supply chain!

Tabitha is strangling her baby and will end up like Muriungi's MasterMind. Let her hire Germans to run the plant. What is so hard in fixing a proper supply chain with the likes of DHL, G4S and even new entrants such as Copia reaching every corner of Kenya? Even matatus like Kenya Mpya and 2NK have parcels reaching nearly every corner.

She also needs to fire long serving staff who are abetting with KRA in these tax torments. Once she hires mzungu, mzungu can fire everyone without her taking the bile. It could be even his husband or the kids snitching to KRA thugs! Kenya is one nasty shithole where everyone will scheme for some millions.

Then she can flip shares. It is definitely a profitable venture but needs ruthlessness to deal with equally ruthless EABL.

https://www.businessdailyafrica.com/bd/corporate/companies/keroche-financial-crisis-deepens-defaults-on-tax-3685714

Are you suggesting that it should be sold to Kenya brewery or NCBA?

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Re: Tabitha needs to let go off Keroche
« Reply #9 on: January 21, 2022, 08:59:42 AM »
There has to be a realistic solution to alcoholism not moralism. These crackdowns just give the chief and police powers to harass the business people and raia. Taxes have doubled the price of Keg from 2013.  Maybe, nationalise KEG patent and license investors to set up manufacturing plants in every county.

Ruto like Moi intend to crackdown hard on alcohol business especially the low spirits.
Selling a stake would give her a campaigns kitty and save the business.

How does Ruto see investments in alcohol production?
Government, even in its best state, is but a necessary evil; in its worst state, an intolerable one ~ Thomas Paine

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Re: Tabitha needs to let go off Keroche
« Reply #10 on: January 21, 2022, 09:04:32 AM »
Yes, many end up in jail, and deeper into poverty. The solution is Keg - safe beer that is cheap, uses local material and every county should have their own safe keg like beer. Illegal spirits and changaa cause health problems.
There has to be a realistic solution to alcoholism not moralism. These crackdowns just give the chief and police powers to harass the business people and raia. Taxes have doubled the price of Keg from 2013.  Maybe, nationalise KEG patent and license investors to set up manufacturing plants in every county.

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Re: Tabitha needs to let go off Keroche
« Reply #11 on: January 21, 2022, 09:51:08 AM »
Ruto like Moi intend to crackdown hard on alcohol business especially the low spirits.
Selling a stake would give her a campaigns kitty and save the business.

How does Ruto see investments in alcohol production?

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Re: Tabitha needs to let go off Keroche
« Reply #12 on: January 21, 2022, 10:07:43 AM »
You should know your next president. I started tracking Ruto from 2001 when I saw his potential. I know how he thinks, how know what is life philosophy is and I know what he is capable of doing. RvHH knows him deeply but I know him publicly.

Ruto will crackdown hard on alcohol, betting and drugs. Ruto is intelligent version of Moi. Ruto is Kagame or Museveni or Meles.  Personal discipline is key for him.

He aint going to allow for jokes in the country - security will be very tight, gov will work, and people in gov should prepare to report to work at 5 am and leave past midnight.

Ruto will run a very tight ship! Things will happen in Kenya!

The auto-pilot by Kibaki and Uhuru is about to be shutdown and the Ruto will drive the plane. I really pity those who will work with Ruto - and are Lazy and stupid - they wont keep up.

Ruto when he will be PORK will unleash his monster self - kazi lazima ifanyike.


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Re: Tabitha needs to let go off Keroche
« Reply #13 on: January 21, 2022, 11:06:24 AM »
Muratina was ravaging Kikuyus when Jomo was dying. Jomo and Koinange had also become useless senile shit with this muratina. Families were in shambles. Useless men who are now running around with muratina horns all over were saved by a firm Moi in 1978.

We can have/enforce clear guidelines of safe production and packaging of traditional brews in line with bottoms up approach or just make keg the national bottomers alcohol.
Government, even in its best state, is but a necessary evil; in its worst state, an intolerable one ~ Thomas Paine

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Re: Tabitha needs to let go off Keroche
« Reply #14 on: January 21, 2022, 11:09:49 AM »
Kalenjin were similary in shambles - whole society were just drinking busaa day and day out - crackdown is good especially in places where people have nothing to do - otherwise they will drink all day - of course permanent solution is finding them work to do - so they can only drink late.

Ingine ni miraa - someone has to crackdown on that drug.

Muratina was ravaging Kikuyus when Jomo was dying. Jomo and Koinange had also become useless senile shit with this muratina. Families were in shambles. Useless men who are now running around with muratina horns all over were saved by a firm Moi in 1978.

We can have/enforce clear guidelines of safe production and packaging of traditional brews in line with bottoms up approach or just make keg the national bottomers alcohol.

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Re: Tabitha needs to let go off Keroche
« Reply #15 on: January 21, 2022, 12:12:55 PM »
You should know your next president. I started tracking Ruto from 2001 when I saw his potential. I know how he thinks, how know what is life philosophy is and I know what he is capable of doing. RvHH knows him deeply but I know him publicly.

Ruto will crackdown hard on alcohol, betting and drugs. Ruto is intelligent version of Moi. Ruto is Kagame or Museveni or Meles.  Personal discipline is key for him.

He aint going to allow for jokes in the country - security will be very tight, gov will work, and people in gov should prepare to report to work at 5 am and leave past midnight.

Ruto will run a very tight ship! Things will happen in Kenya!

The auto-pilot by Kibaki and Uhuru is about to be shutdown and the Ruto will drive the plane. I really pity those who will work with Ruto - and are Lazy and stupid - they wont keep up.

Ruto when he will be PORK will unleash his monster self - kazi lazima ifanyike.


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Re: Tabitha needs to let go off Keroche
« Reply #16 on: January 21, 2022, 12:25:46 PM »
Because you have never paid attention. Ruto life is exemplary. At UON he scored first class and was granted scholarship to do masters. In middle of masters - he formed Amaco Insurance agency - together with his roommate Simatwo- that agency is now insurance company - and later joined Y2K - and quickly rose the ranks - made enough money to forget about his MSC - that he recently went back nailed it and got PHd. Ruto became Mp in 97 against likes of Chesire (Moi's close family - guy has 3000 acres in eldoret) and went on to form UDM with Kirwa and Jirongo after trying to push hard against old KANU. Moi co-opted Ruto and appointed him Ass Min in home Affairs. He was so good they let him sit in cabinet as ass minister. He became a full minister for 3 months during dying days of KANU.

Became the engine of Uhuru 2002 campaigns, KANU, and later ODM.

Personally I took notice of Ruto in 2001 after he successfully kicked Biwott from statehouse kitchen cabinet. Biwott and Moi had long relationship starting in 1970s when Biwott was picked from being Meru DC to become MOi's  official PA as VP and Home Affairs Minister..with Kulei a former prison warder his personal PA....for someone to kick Biwott from Kitchen cabinet and replace him...I knew that Ruto was NOT A JOKE.

1st forward to his tenure at Ministry of Kilimo - it was amongst first time Kenya had maize surplus, lots of reforms were done, and Ruto was voted the most hardworking minister - so much Raila got jealous - and demoted him to Higher Education.

Day one - Ruto fixed 2yr waiting period that had existed since I think 1990 or 1980s- it was stupid backlog- that would be fixed by double enrollment in one year. Now young guys are going to university straight - while some of us had to wait in village and sire kids - resume university when we had forgotten everything :)

Ruto was responsible for Jubilee sucess in 1.0. Long theories but the judgement day was on 22nd August 2017. Jubilee passed with flying colours-improving from 50 percent to 55 percent. In the re-run - Raila didnt even bother to run - because Jubilee was incredibly popular - mostly because of the roads - that had in 5yrs doubled from 10,000 km paved since independence to 20,000kms. SGR was nailed in 3yrs.

How did RUto do this - incredibly long hours - road annuity and road standards - Jubilee legistlation in parliament - everything in Jubilee 1.0 worked like a clock work.

And he wasnt pork. Ruto is the guy who report to work at 5 am and leave at midnight. He doesn't slack. And is very intelligent.

That is why Ruto right now at 55 yrs is the guy to beat - because he work harder than any of his competitors and is more intelligent - those are just the main ingredient of success...HARDWORK AND INTELLIGENCE.

His main weakness - he likes them girls :) - can be arrogant and impatient with lazy & stupid people - otherwise I consider uizi as part of job description of a good kenya politician - unless you want to go home. If Ruto had no money - he wont have survived Uhuru purge.


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Re: Tabitha needs to let go off Keroche
« Reply #17 on: January 21, 2022, 05:50:43 PM »
Because you have never paid attention. Ruto life is exemplary. At UON he scored first class and was granted scholarship to do masters. In middle of masters - he formed Amaco Insurance agency - together with his roommate Simatwo- that agency is now insurance company - and later joined Y2K - and quickly rose the ranks - made enough money to forget about his MSC - that he recently went back nailed it and got PHd. Ruto became Mp in 97 against likes of Chesire (Moi's close family - guy has 3000 acres in eldoret) and went on to form UDM with Kirwa and Jirongo after trying to push hard against old KANU. Moi co-opted Ruto and appointed him Ass Min in home Affairs. He was so good they let him sit in cabinet as ass minister. He became a full minister for 3 months during dying days of KANU.

Became the engine of Uhuru 2002 campaigns, KANU, and later ODM.

Personally I took notice of Ruto in 2001 after he successfully kicked Biwott from statehouse kitchen cabinet. Biwott and Moi had long relationship starting in 1970s when Biwott was picked from being Meru DC to become MOi's  official PA as VP and Home Affairs Minister..with Kulei a former prison warder his personal PA....for someone to kick Biwott from Kitchen cabinet and replace him...I knew that Ruto was NOT A JOKE.

1st forward to his tenure at Ministry of Kilimo - it was amongst first time Kenya had maize surplus, lots of reforms were done, and Ruto was voted the most hardworking minister - so much Raila got jealous - and demoted him to Higher Education.

Day one - Ruto fixed 2yr waiting period that had existed since I think 1990 or 1980s- it was stupid backlog- that would be fixed by double enrollment in one year. Now young guys are going to university straight - while some of us had to wait in village and sire kids - resume university when we had forgotten everything :)

Ruto was responsible for Jubilee sucess in 1.0. Long theories but the judgement day was on 22nd August 2017. Jubilee passed with flying colours-improving from 50 percent to 55 percent. In the re-run - Raila didnt even bother to run - because Jubilee was incredibly popular - mostly because of the roads - that had in 5yrs doubled from 10,000 km paved since independence to 20,000kms. SGR was nailed in 3yrs.

How did RUto do this - incredibly long hours - road annuity and road standards - Jubilee legistlation in parliament - everything in Jubilee 1.0 worked like a clock work.

And he wasnt pork. Ruto is the guy who report to work at 5 am and leave at midnight. He doesn't slack. And is very intelligent.

That is why Ruto right now at 55 yrs is the guy to beat - because he work harder than any of his competitors and is more intelligent - those are just the main ingredient of success...HARDWORK AND INTELLIGENCE.

His main weakness - he likes them girls :) - can be arrogant and impatient with lazy & stupid people - otherwise I consider uizi as part of job description of a good kenya politician - unless you want to go home. If Ruto had no money - he wont have survived Uhuru purge.


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Re: Tabitha needs to let go off Keroche
« Reply #18 on: January 21, 2022, 06:06:18 PM »
The fallout started early before even Ruto became MP.
After Y2k critical role in 92 election - Y2k guys became very powerful and had Moi ears.
This concided with time Biwott was publicly out of favour - having being fingered in Ouko death and fired by Moi.
Obviously Biwott was in Kitchen cabinet and running things in Kitchen cabinet -
So there was basically a clash in 1995-1996 - btw Y2k Jirong group of young guys - and Biwott group of Old Kanu.
Biwott won - Y2k were crushed. Biwott bankrupted Jirongo and the young guys - likes of KTN founder Jared Kagwana - Nyamweya
They found their loans being recalled - and contracts cancelled - auctioners on them.
Y2k guys then realized they had made big mistake - they needed to be in parliament - so they can fight the Biwott group.
So Jirongo, Ruto, and many Y2k went for election in 1997 - and most of them won - because frankly they had lots of money.
Immediately they won - they started fighting old KANU - calling for reforms of KANU - it was called KANU A and KANU B.
MOi dismissed them - and told them KANU was old party with structures - and they were speaking opposition language.
Unable to make any headway - Ruto joined Jirongo, Kirwa and Kapten to form UDM.
They had running battles with police for likes two years of 1998 and 1999 - Kapten was killed at some point.
Jirongo claims RUto killed somebody in those violent rallies by snapping the neck :) :)
Seeing how he beat Chesire in Statehouse - I cannot put it beyond him - Ruto can be ruthless
At some point - Ruto made friends with Gideon - and he took him to state house - and got him Ass Minister job.
He quit UDM - and slowly they worked on Biwott group (Saitoti).
Biwott plan was simple - Saitoti would be president - he would be VP.
Ruto, Gideon and Uhuru convinced MOi that fake Kikuyu like Saitoti - with BIwott - was bad idea compared to getting real kikuyu Uhuru with Gideon as VP.
Obviously MOi was overjoyed to hear that.
Ruto was the intellectual engine -
He also took Uhurus and Gideon through public speaking - and name it.

The fallout btw Mois and Rutos would happen post 2003 as Ruto took KANU from Gideon/Mois.
And then took that KANU to Raila.

MOis decided to go to Kibaki




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Re: Tabitha needs to let go off Keroche
« Reply #19 on: January 21, 2022, 06:39:35 PM »
You fail to mention Mark Toos role in all this , Mr Fix it(Bw Dawa) was the epicenter of all deals after 1997 (at the begining) - He is the reason Moi shoved the Biwotts and Chesires who were powerful back then .

The fallout started early before even Ruto became MP.
After Y2k critical role in 92 election - Y2k guys became very powerful and had Moi ears.
This concided with time Biwott was publicly out of favour - having being fingered in Ouko death and fired by Moi.
Obviously Biwott was in Kitchen cabinet and running things in Kitchen cabinet -
So there was basically a clash in 1995-1996 - btw Y2k Jirong group of young guys - and Biwott group of Old Kanu.
Biwott won - Y2k were crushed. Biwott bankrupted Jirongo and the young guys - likes of KTN founder Jared Kagwana - Nyamweya
They found their loans being recalled - and contracts cancelled - auctioners on them.
Y2k guys then realized they had made big mistake - they needed to be in parliament - so they can fight the Biwott group.
So Jirongo, Ruto, and many Y2k went for election in 1997 - and most of them won - because frankly they had lots of money.
Immediately they won - they started fighting old KANU - calling for reforms of KANU - it was called KANU A and KANU B.
MOi dismissed them - and told them KANU was old party with structures - and they were speaking opposition language.
Unable to make any headway - Ruto joined Jirongo, Kirwa and Kapten to form UDM.
They had running battles with police for likes two years of 1998 and 1999 - Kapten was killed at some point.
Jirongo claims RUto killed somebody in those violent rallies by snapping the neck :) :)
Seeing how he beat Chesire in Statehouse - I cannot put it beyond him - Ruto can be ruthless
At some point - Ruto made friends with Gideon - and he took him to state house - and got him Ass Minister job.
He quit UDM - and slowly they worked on Biwott group (Saitoti).
Biwott plan was simple - Saitoti would be president - he would be VP.
Ruto, Gideon and Uhuru convinced MOi that fake Kikuyu like Saitoti - with BIwott - was bad idea compared to getting real kikuyu Uhuru with Gideon as VP.
Obviously MOi was overjoyed to hear that.
Ruto was the intellectual engine -
He also took Uhurus and Gideon through public speaking - and name it.

The fallout btw Mois and Rutos would happen post 2003 as Ruto took KANU from Gideon/Mois.
And then took that KANU to Raila.

MOis decided to go to Kibaki