Omwami Pragmatic and Audacity of dope - Ruto has Bungoma before Weta say YES

[RV Pundit]

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[Pragmatic]

RVP..... These are jokes.... the guy seems to be entertaining your dreams.

I have told you countless times to forget about Bungoma (Bukusuland) and Luhyaland in general for that matter.

Continue entertaining yourself. At the right time WsR will cry vile "....hawa wanadanganya mimi wanakula pesa yangu....". Well, that said, i admire him for trying though, he may score more votes than the useless MDVD. There will be something to show for his sweat unlike these others who want things without sweating it out.

[audacityofhope]

@Pragmatic wefwe,

So this is what propaganda is al l about? HOW FALSE!. I just happen to be on the ground that day. I was forcefully driven to park my car at a petrol station because cops blocked the road in both directions so that nobody left until he arrived and left. If the police chief of Bungoma County is a Kale, he should be investigated for curtailing economic activity by stopping residents from going about their business and wasting their time marooned to listen to gibberish.
I was forced to listening to his boring speech on mega phone. Boring because  If you want to know what exactly he said, listen to an exact replica address he made in ukambani the following day! How monotonous and somehow some media guy will write like what he said in Bungoma was different to what he said in Ukambani!

I saw people leave on foot - those who could saying "anatudanganya". Truth be told, Luto, peaked too early! These days he just repeats his Bottom up gibberish
From what I saw first hand, I am now convinced that what really happens on the ground and what reporters report (and we read about) the following day or hours can be at variance! As a politician, you need to pocket reporters it seems.

Gordon Opiyo has been writing for Jubilee for as long as I remember Jubilee from 2013. I doubt he is a luo. I have always thought he is a kyuk using a luo pseudoname. Now it seems he bolted with Luto out of Jumbiree.... as always, Ashindwe!

Luto will find out come election day that only the rented ones in the crowd have voted for him. Those crowds otherwise meant nothing because they were manipulated to swell his audience!

@Pundit, Bungoma actually feel nothing for this man. All they know is that as an agricultural area where we grow maize and sell to National Cereals board, he has messed up the economic livelihood of Bukusus .....

[RV Heavy Hitter!]

@Pragmatic wefwe,

So this is what propaganda is al l about? HOW FALSE!. I just happen to be on the ground that day. I was forcefully driven to park my car at a petrol station because cops blocked the road in both directions so that nobody left until he arrived and left. If the police chief of Bungoma County is a Kale, he should be investigated for curtailing economic activity by stopping residents from going about their business and wasting their time marooned to listen to gibberish.
I was forced to listening to his boring speech on mega phone. Boring because  If you want to know what exactly he said, listen to an exact replica address he made in ukambani the following day! How monotonous and somehow some media guy will write like what he said in Bungoma was different to what he said in Ukambani!

I saw people leave on foot - those who could saying "anatudanganya". Truth be told, Luto, peaked too early! These days he just repeats his Bottom up gibberish
From what I saw first hand, I am now convinced that what really happens on the ground and what reporters report (and we read about) the following day or hours can be at variance! As a politician, you need to pocket reporters it seems.

Gordon Opiyo has been writing for Jubilee for as long as I remember Jubilee from 2013. I doubt he is a luo. I have always thought he is a kyuk using a luo pseudoname. Now it seems he bolted with Luto out of Jumbiree.... as always, Ashindwe!

Luto will find out come election day that only the rented ones in the crowd have voted for him. Those crowds otherwise meant nothing because they were manipulated to swell his audience!

@Pundit, Bungoma actually feel nothing for this man. All they know is that as an agricultural area where we grow maize and sell to National Cereals board, he has messed up the economic livelihood of Bukusus .....

Gibberish at its finest. Bungoma and Trans Nzoia, at the moment, are waiting for the final realignment. With MDVD and Weta trapped, the political entrapment in those two counties and the Luhya nation is in on now, but once the two regional kingpins make a move, you can rest assured DP will scope his portion. If the duo endorses 'Bubu and trek the electorate to the usual slaughterhouse, you can rest assured Bungoma, and Trans Nzoia will have many voters trooping to UDA. YES, if OKA stays the course, both UDA and ODM will have fewer numbers because folk will support homeboys. According to the latest intelligence, the trick is in, though; Kijana wamalwa is heading to UDA in a few months. If that pans out to be accurate, you can further rest assured a chunk of Bukusu votes will be in the UDA camp. With other UDA-leaning tribes in the two counties, local politics may as well push UDA  on the ground. In brief, Like 2013 and 2017, 'Bubu' is severely kaput, leave alone the undecisive OKA Dotards.

[Njuri Ncheke]

I agree At the moment Ruto has nothing in western,he has never won any by election and luhya posters here  none that support him. Better be careful there I would say. Western has another potential of rigging it would be easier to rig mzito there than kwa mlima.

[RV Pundit]

The vitriol from few ODM diehards of Bukusuland. I was expecting percentage. Rememner Raila was recently in Bungoma and despite try to hold meeting in the market center - people had no biashara with him.

I think for now Ruto has 50 percent of Bungoma. Jubilee that is Uhuru did 30 percent last election.

[audacityofhope]

I agree At the moment Ruto has nothing in western,he has never won any by election and luhya posters here  none that support him. Better be careful there I would say. Western has another potential of rigging it would be easier to rig mzito there than kwa mlima.

@Njuri Ncheke, hapo you have spoken like a Njuri Ncheke!
For the first time I see wisdom in your reasoned and measured response. If Luto had a modicum of support in Luhyaland then how come not a single soul on this forum from ingo supports him? Charity starts here at home on @Veritas blog: How come those here who hail from the ground have nothing to report positive about his following in the 2nd most populous group of counties of Kenya? Simple reasoning eh?

Instead Nipateans here, some of whom have never gone Westwards past Nakuru are purporting to post stuff about "how well Luto is doing in Luhyaland". Really?? Ata kama wanalipwa, please stay in the realm of reality, so that come 2022 you may be saved from being a mental wreck for having refused to face up to what is/was real. Hio tu. Good day @Njuri 

We on this blog have learned to ignore Pundit and allow him wallow in miasma fantasies about 2022. Mark this post. He will be the most heartbroken August 2022.

[RV Pundit]

Omwami you sound angry. I know how to gauge political support. I use many parameters. Your anger is obvious. Nobody apart from Sifuna Edwin want to run in ODM in Bungoma. Even in by election it was UDA versus Ford-K.

Come 2022 - I see Bungoma being Ford-K versus UDA - but knowing Weta has a deal with Ruto - it will be Ford-K/UDA versus renegade New Ford-K.

I agree At the moment Ruto has nothing in western,he has never won any by election and luhya posters here  none that support him. Better be careful there I would say. Western has another potential of rigging it would be easier to rig mzito there than kwa mlima.

@Njuri Ncheke, hapo you have spoken like a Njuri Ncheke!
For the first time I see wisdom in your reasoned and measured response. If Luto had a modicum of support in Luhyaland then how come not a single soul on this forum from ingo supports him? Charity starts here at home on @Veritas blog: How come those here who hail from the ground have nothing to report positive about his following in the 2nd most populous group of counties of Kenya? Simple reasoning eh?

Instead Nipateans here, some of whom have never gone Westwards past Nakuru are purporting to post stuff about "how well Luto is doing in Luhyaland". Really?? Ata kama wanalipwa, please stay in the realm of reality, so that come 2022 you may be saved from being a mental wreck for having refused to face up to what is/was real. Hio tu. Good day @Njuri 

We on this blog have learned to ignore Pundit and allow him wallow in miasma fantasies about 2022. Mark this post. He will be the most heartbroken August 2022.

[RV Pundit]

In fact last election - I listened to you likes - and had Jubilee at 24 percent - they ended up getting 30 percent. This time round Ruto has base of 50 percent before he makes a deal with Lusaka-Weta.

[RV Pundit]

What is working for Ruto in Bungoma-Tranzoia.
1) Tranzoia. Current governor - Patrick Khaemba and incoming governor Dr Chris Wamalwa - are in team Ruto - pretty much everyone apart from Caleb Etemi and the useless Regional Commander Natembaya is going to play UDA The reason is obvious Kalenjin plus kikuyus form 40 percent of Tranzoia and Luhyas who want easy ride have realize they need to be Ruto friendly.

2) Bungoma..Ruto has 5 jubilee Mps...out of 8 I think...Lusaka- Weta have a rumoured deal with Ruto - with Weta going for Speaker of National Assembly or Senate...Lusaka going for governor. Current governor is very unpopular having failed to match Lusaka development record.

All point to Ruto scoring 70 percent of Bungoma-Tranzoia like Gordon Opiyo makes it.

[Nowayhaha]

Of Bungoma , I was one of the few sceptical guys not long ago
 until my friends told me otherwise about the politics of Bukusuland.
In 2013 a year before elections they told me its next to impossible for Bukusus to vote for another Kikuyu having voted for Kibaki in 2002 and 2017. Then I thought they wouldnt go Railas side due to Wamalwa and NAK vs LDP wars. They eventually jumped ship and voted for Raila.
Just recently as recent as May the same guys told me Bukusus are tired of Raila and they will vote for Ruto. Very true indeed Raila fatigue is everywhere including in Mijikenda land , Kisii land and Maasai land.
If Raila wants to be on the winning side he needs to endorse  someone. This is his ultimate weapon  or else 2007,2013 and 2017 defeats will look like a childs play.

[RV Pundit]

Totally agreed
The fatigue is real; the NASA boycotting of repeat election and handshake is already reflecting in low voter registration across the board;
This will be general low turn out election; Most Raila folks even in Luo Nyanza are tired of losing.
You can even see here online - they are mostly MIA.
There is no energy - in NASA Zones.

UDA and Ruto are exciting folks - making them vote again - because he has captured the anger of the handshake.Jubilee diehard feel they need to punish Uhuru and his ilk for doing an handshake of a vanquished enemy. That anger Ruto has to exploit. Ruto has to shown he wont be doing handshake.

Otherwise many people feel they will vote - invest their emotions - and then gov/opposition will do a handshake - making them look like fools who wasted their time and energy shouting anti-Raila slogans.

In terms of regions with fatigue - I see Mijikenda (Coast), Bukusu and GEMA - being most affected. Some in Kakamega-Vihiga might be excited about the MaDVD prospect.I really cant tell Gusii becuase of the Matiangi factor.

From 85 percent turn out - it possible we could go down to 65 percent.

Of Bungoma , I was one of the few sceptical guys not long ago
 until my friends told me otherwise about the politics of Bukusuland.
In 2013 a year before elections they told me its next to impossible for Bukusus to vote for another Kikuyu having voted for Kibaki in 2002 and 2017. Then I thought they wouldnt go Railas side due to Wamalwa and NAK vs LDP wars. They eventually jumped ship and voted for Raila.
Just recently as recent as May the same guys told me Bukusus are tired of Raila and they will vote for Ruto. Very true indeed Raila fatigue is everywhere including in Mijikenda land , Kisii land and Maasai land.
If Raila wants to be on the winning side he needs to endorse  someone. This is his ultimate weapon  or else 2007,2013 and 2017 defeats will look like a childs play.

[Nowayhaha]

Kenyan politics for a long time has been premised on two things the Anti Gema and Anti Raila factor.
Handshake thus brought in a lot of confusion. People emotionally invest in politics just like religion. Handshake betrayed the Anti Gema brigade who want GEMA out of power who feel GEMA has benefited by being in power since independence  and who voted for Raila for that specific reason.
Anti Raila brigade also felt betrayed by Handshake . They feel Raila has tormented them lead the 2007 P.E.V. and is always opposing them and their interests.
Now for once GEMA have no strong  candidate going for the Big seat furthemore confusing the Anti GEMA brigade . The Anti Raila brigade still see Raila running enhancing their will to defeat and destroy him once and for all.
In 2002 there were two strong GEMA candidates running for Presidency . In 2022 There is no strong GEMA candidate running for Presidency. This is a big factor Raila die hard supporters pretend not to see.
Raila if he had the right mind frame he would just Tosha someone and sit out.The Anti Raila brigade would be further confused just like the Anti Gema brigade are right now.  But hey this is a man who refused to hear the same calling and lost 2007 elections. Started fighting Ruto and lost 2013 elections and 2017 elections. Same mind capacity and he will lose 2022 elections.

Totally agreed
The fatigue is real; the NASA boycotting of repeat election and handshake is already reflecting in low voter registration across the board;
This will be general low turn out election; Most Raila folks even in Luo Nyanza are tired of losing.
You can even see here online - they are mostly MIA.
There is no energy - in NASA Zones.

UDA and Ruto are exciting folks - making them vote again - because he has captured the anger of the handshake.Jubilee diehard feel they need to punish Uhuru and his ilk for doing an handshake of a vanquished enemy. That anger Ruto has to exploit. Ruto has to shown he wont be doing handshake.

Otherwise many people feel they will vote - invest their emotions - and then gov/opposition will do a handshake - making them look like fools who wasted their time and energy shouting anti-Raila slogans.

In terms of regions with fatigue - I see Mijikenda (Coast), Bukusu and GEMA - being most affected. Some in Kakamega-Vihiga might be excited about the MaDVD prospect.I really cant tell Gusii becuase of the Matiangi factor.

From 85 percent turn out - it possible we could go down to 65 percent.

Of Bungoma , I was one of the few sceptical guys not long ago
 until my friends told me otherwise about the politics of Bukusuland.
In 2013 a year before elections they told me its next to impossible for Bukusus to vote for another Kikuyu having voted for Kibaki in 2002 and 2017. Then I thought they wouldnt go Railas side due to Wamalwa and NAK vs LDP wars. They eventually jumped ship and voted for Raila.
Just recently as recent as May the same guys told me Bukusus are tired of Raila and they will vote for Ruto. Very true indeed Raila fatigue is everywhere including in Mijikenda land , Kisii land and Maasai land.
If Raila wants to be on the winning side he needs to endorse  someone. This is his ultimate weapon  or else 2007,2013 and 2017 defeats will look like a childs play.

[RV Pundit]

Raila is betting on Kenyatta - and Kenyatta trusting a Raila is like a Moi trusting a Raila - I still insist it wont happen. Once Uhuru pulls the plug - Ruto can be declared the winner.

Anyway what Raila lacks is long term planning and strategy. He political tactician - not  strategiest like Ruto.

Ruto has planned for this for like 30yrs. Even the lack of strong GEMA leaders didnt just happen - Ruto made it happen. There has been setbacks like Jubilee impolsion but however the strong coupling of GEMA+RV has proven had to undo. This has made Uhuru and many GEMA leader totally frustrated because Ruto has stolen their base under their feet - hence this sulking in supporting of Jakom.

Once they sober up - all GEMA leaders will troop to Ruto - and pick the 50 %  deal. Ruto just has to keep ignoring the sulking.

As for Raila - his biggest assigment before he think Mt Kenya - is to reunite NASA. But as always he is doing everything not to become PORK.

Raila should long have been PORK if he had been strategic and patient...inheriting Luo political force from his father in 1994 - and 30yrs later - not making PORK is crazy.

Kenyan politics for a long time has been premised on two things the Anti Gema and Anti Raila factor.
Handshake thus brought in a lot of confusion. People emotionally invest in politics just like religion. Handshake betrayed the Anti Gema brigade who want GEMA out of power who feel GEMA has benefited by being in power since independence  and who voted for Raila for that specific reason.
Anti Raila brigade also felt betrayed by Handshake . They feel Raila has tormented them lead the 2007 P.E.V. and is always opposing them and their interests.
Now for once GEMA have no strong  candidate going for the Big seat furthemore confusing the Anti GEMA brigade . The Anti Raila brigade still see Raila running enhancing their will to defeat and destroy him once and for all.
In 2002 there were two strong GEMA candidates running for Presidency . In 2022 There is no strong GEMA candidate running for Presidency. This is a big factor Raila die hard supporters pretend not to see.
Raila if he had the right mind frame he would just Tosha someone and sit out.The Anti Raila brigade would be further confused just like the Anti Gema brigade are right now.  But hey this is a man who refused to hear the same calling and lost 2007 elections. Started fighting Ruto and lost 2013 elections and 2017 elections. Same mind capacity and he will lose 2022 elections.

Totally agreed
The fatigue is real; the NASA boycotting of repeat election and handshake is already reflecting in low voter registration across the board;
This will be general low turn out election; Most Raila folks even in Luo Nyanza are tired of losing.
You can even see here online - they are mostly MIA.
There is no energy - in NASA Zones.

UDA and Ruto are exciting folks - making them vote again - because he has captured the anger of the handshake.Jubilee diehard feel they need to punish Uhuru and his ilk for doing an handshake of a vanquished enemy. That anger Ruto has to exploit. Ruto has to shown he wont be doing handshake.

Otherwise many people feel they will vote - invest their emotions - and then gov/opposition will do a handshake - making them look like fools who wasted their time and energy shouting anti-Raila slogans.

In terms of regions with fatigue - I see Mijikenda (Coast), Bukusu and GEMA - being most affected. Some in Kakamega-Vihiga might be excited about the MaDVD prospect.I really cant tell Gusii becuase of the Matiangi factor.

From 85 percent turn out - it possible we could go down to 65 percent.

Of Bungoma , I was one of the few sceptical guys not long ago
 until my friends told me otherwise about the politics of Bukusuland.
In 2013 a year before elections they told me its next to impossible for Bukusus to vote for another Kikuyu having voted for Kibaki in 2002 and 2017. Then I thought they wouldnt go Railas side due to Wamalwa and NAK vs LDP wars. They eventually jumped ship and voted for Raila.
Just recently as recent as May the same guys told me Bukusus are tired of Raila and they will vote for Ruto. Very true indeed Raila fatigue is everywhere including in Mijikenda land , Kisii land and Maasai land.
If Raila wants to be on the winning side he needs to endorse  someone. This is his ultimate weapon  or else 2007,2013 and 2017 defeats will look like a childs play.

[Nowayhaha]

Honestly speaking by 2001 We had forseen Raila being President in 2012. He did 3 Mistakes through 2002-2012 period.
1.Was betraying Moi in 2002 . If he would have stuck with KANU in 2002 elections he would be President designate in 2013
2. Was betraying and going after Kibaki post 2002 elections .
3. Was betraying and trying to finish Ruto post 2007 elections.

One can afford to make one or two mistakes and bounce back . Making three mistakes is a No No in politics. Recovering is next to impossible. Now he has a full generation of people born after 1997 elections who have always seen him on the negative light.
The same way our generation we saw Moi as the enemy without fully understanding why he was the enemy is the same way this youthfull generation Railas hate is engrained in their minds.
Now for the Anti Gema Brigade they have no Bogeyman in a Gema candidate to emotionally work them up and make the vote against GEMA. Hence the inroads  Ruto has made in Mijikenda land, Luhya land and Kisii land.
The Anti Raila have Raila as the bogeyman. They have voted against him with passion in 4 elections 2007,2013 and twice in 2017. Thinking they will change their minds is what is called theatre of absurd.

Raila is betting on Kenyatta - and Kenyatta trusting a Raila is like a Moi trusting a Raila - I still insist it wont happen. Once Uhuru pulls the plug - Ruto can be declared the winner.

Anyway what Raila lacks is long term planning and strategy. He political tactician - not  strategiest like Ruto.

Ruto has planned for this for like 30yrs. Even the lack of strong GEMA leaders didnt just happen - Ruto made it happen. There has been setbacks like Jubilee impolsion but however the strong coupling of GEMA+RV has proven had to undo. This has made Uhuru and many GEMA leader totally frustrated because Ruto has stolen their base under their feet - hence this sulking in supporting of Jakom.

Once they sober up - all GEMA leaders will troop to Ruto - and pick the 50 %  deal. Ruto just has to keep ignoring the sulking.

As for Raila - his biggest assigment before he think Mt Kenya - is to reunite NASA. But as always he is doing everything not to become PORK.

Raila should long have been PORK if he had been strategic and patient...inheriting Luo political force from his father in 1994 - and 30yrs later - not making PORK is crazy.

Kenyan politics for a long time has been premised on two things the Anti Gema and Anti Raila factor.
Handshake thus brought in a lot of confusion. People emotionally invest in politics just like religion. Handshake betrayed the Anti Gema brigade who want GEMA out of power who feel GEMA has benefited by being in power since independence  and who voted for Raila for that specific reason.
Anti Raila brigade also felt betrayed by Handshake . They feel Raila has tormented them lead the 2007 P.E.V. and is always opposing them and their interests.
Now for once GEMA have no strong  candidate going for the Big seat furthemore confusing the Anti GEMA brigade . The Anti Raila brigade still see Raila running enhancing their will to defeat and destroy him once and for all.
In 2002 there were two strong GEMA candidates running for Presidency . In 2022 There is no strong GEMA candidate running for Presidency. This is a big factor Raila die hard supporters pretend not to see.
Raila if he had the right mind frame he would just Tosha someone and sit out.The Anti Raila brigade would be further confused just like the Anti Gema brigade are right now.  But hey this is a man who refused to hear the same calling and lost 2007 elections. Started fighting Ruto and lost 2013 elections and 2017 elections. Same mind capacity and he will lose 2022 elections.

Totally agreed
The fatigue is real; the NASA boycotting of repeat election and handshake is already reflecting in low voter registration across the board;
This will be general low turn out election; Most Raila folks even in Luo Nyanza are tired of losing.
You can even see here online - they are mostly MIA.
There is no energy - in NASA Zones.

UDA and Ruto are exciting folks - making them vote again - because he has captured the anger of the handshake.Jubilee diehard feel they need to punish Uhuru and his ilk for doing an handshake of a vanquished enemy. That anger Ruto has to exploit. Ruto has to shown he wont be doing handshake.

Otherwise many people feel they will vote - invest their emotions - and then gov/opposition will do a handshake - making them look like fools who wasted their time and energy shouting anti-Raila slogans.

In terms of regions with fatigue - I see Mijikenda (Coast), Bukusu and GEMA - being most affected. Some in Kakamega-Vihiga might be excited about the MaDVD prospect.I really cant tell Gusii becuase of the Matiangi factor.

From 85 percent turn out - it possible we could go down to 65 percent.

Of Bungoma , I was one of the few sceptical guys not long ago
 until my friends told me otherwise about the politics of Bukusuland.
In 2013 a year before elections they told me its next to impossible for Bukusus to vote for another Kikuyu having voted for Kibaki in 2002 and 2017. Then I thought they wouldnt go Railas side due to Wamalwa and NAK vs LDP wars. They eventually jumped ship and voted for Raila.
Just recently as recent as May the same guys told me Bukusus are tired of Raila and they will vote for Ruto. Very true indeed Raila fatigue is everywhere including in Mijikenda land , Kisii land and Maasai land.
If Raila wants to be on the winning side he needs to endorse  someone. This is his ultimate weapon  or else 2007,2013 and 2017 defeats will look like a childs play.

[RV Pundit]

Look like RUto could actually carry 100% - both factions of Ford-Kenya want a deal with Ruto

https://www.the-star.co.ke/counties/western/2021-11-12-bungoma-deputy-governor-joins-uda-to-vie-for-senator/

[audacityofhope]

What is working for Ruto in Bungoma-Tranzoia.
1) Tranzoia. Current governor - Patrick Khaemba and incoming governor Dr Chris Wamalwa - are in team Ruto - pretty much everyone apart from Caleb Etemi and the useless Regional Commander Natembaya is going to play UDA The reason is obvious Kalenjin plus kikuyus form 40 percent of Tranzoia and Luhyas who want easy ride have realize they need to be Ruto friendly.

2) Bungoma..Ruto has 5 jubilee Mps...out of 8 I think...Lusaka- Weta have a rumoured deal with Ruto - with Weta going for Speaker of National Assembly or Senate...Lusaka going for governor. Current governor is very unpopular having failed to match Lusaka development record.

All point to Ruto scoring 70 percent of Bungoma-Tranzoia like Gordon Opiyo makes it.

Eti Lusaka's development record, you mean Lusaka known ALL OVER KENYA of the infamy of the Carcinogenic Wheelbarrows that cost the Bungoma and National Taxpayer 100K a piece?? 

Boss, allow me to explain to you why your Mohas or whatever you call it is ALL FAKE! Governor Wangamati (Whom you refuse to mention by name - Heshimu elected leaders wewe!) is very well liked. Under his watch Bungoma has its first dual carriageway and I am a direct beneficiary!

There is only one individual in Bungoma County who does not like Gov. Wangamati, it is Senator Wetangula. Weta hates the Governor coz the governor has made sure Weta is nowhere near putting his hands on funds meant for the benefit of Bungoma county. For being a good custodian, we are happy. Pundit makes it sound like Gov Wangamati is Governor by accident, as if Lusaka retired voluntarily from Governor? HECK NO! Governor Wangamati DEFEATED Lusaka. Lusaka had to be given a soft landing by Uhuru as Senate Speaker otherwise Lusaka today would just be a chicken farmer!

Another point of correction: Those who think they know ARE VERY ANNOYING to those of us who know!
In your own words you say "Ruto has 5 jubilee Mps...out of 8 I think" ... as in you THINK Wrong! Jubilee waliiba kura on 4 seats. As of 2017 Jubilee had 4 out 8 parliamentary seats. 4 NOT 5. Now if you think those 4 seats of Jubilee will go to Luto, Good luck when this time around Luto tayari alijihamisha kutoka system. Hio tu!

[RV Pundit]

You sound like sifuna.The battle in bungoma is btw Ruto and Wetangula.Raila and odm are anathema.If Weta makes a deal with Ruto..you'll be left with Sifuna and the system...in odm