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Re: Tigray taking over Ethiopia
« Reply #160 on: December 01, 2021, 09:15:39 PM »
If you don't understand the importance of A2 highway - that leads to only port in Djibouti then you clearly don't understand war.
War is not just fighting. War is having the discipline to know when and where to fight.
What Tigray have done in this war so far is very astounding.
To beat EDNF with 200,000 - destroying half the force in Tigray (8 division decimated) - then on their offense to Adis Ababa in a year.
Once this war is over - Gen Tsadkan Gebretensae - the military tactician behind TDF will be studied worldwide.
He had already proven himself in 1990 overthrow of Mengistu and the beating of Eritrea.
We are talking 6 percent of Ethiopia - bossing the rest.

As for Kalenjin - how far is Uhuru doing in Laikipia?

Your Mau Mau were decimated in 4yrs - just few bands of Nandi fought for 15yrs. That is why Nandis are studied to this day.

For example - this is 1895..

The operations had been well planned and executed as the
warriors had defeated several European caravans with the
loss of only two warriors. When provided the opportunity,
the warriors had decisively struck. When the Europeans had
the advantage, the Nandi warriors possessed the discipline to
avoid a costly attack. Moreover, all this was accomplished
by raiding parties, not the combined might of the Nandi
tribes.


Gikomba you are very right Pundit with his round soot head and big white teeth is supporting Tigray because he equates them to nkalenjini. He thinks the military activities of TPLF can be replicated by nkalenjini in Kenya next year. This thread has actually made me realize how dumb and silly pundit can be. The so called worrier lacking even basic military knowledge with his"strangling of the neck to make body useless" this guy is a clown. Have always told pundit kalenjin are a non entity in kenya and should they start war next year they will be decimated they are simply not a worry only to themselves and rv doa doa communities.
Pundit is a maniac in short that beyond any help only to watch him repeat himself.
Back to chigray they are now out manouvred and surrounded today they lost soo much territory.by mid December their outcome will be bleak

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Re: Tigray taking over Ethiopia
« Reply #161 on: December 01, 2021, 09:28:06 PM »
 It is clear that TPLF has been getting foreign support and much of the western media has been ropped in the psychological warfare in support of the same.  The government of Ethiopia is finally responding and seeking allies in both weapons and information warfare.  It seems the tide has turned in Abiys favor in the past week or so. Watch the below video exposing the conspiracy to overthrow the government exposed by this Canadian.

 

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Re: Tigray taking over Ethiopia
« Reply #162 on: December 01, 2021, 09:30:26 PM »
Pundit you are just a small boy to me when it comes to war and military tactics and thats why i say you are a couch potato relying on internet and books.
TPLF was the Ethiopian army for 30 years when they left power they took with them most of the army equipment and best trained officers. Abiy had ro build army from scratch twice. Firstly when Tplf left with everything after he came to power and second ly last year when the tigray massacred the national army innthe barracks and took most of their equipment.
Abiy is relying on tribal militia and their special forces, actually he is the one that needs studying.
Back to your A2 ,i asked you a simple question if tou marche d from eldoret down the highway to nakuru with the surrounding land being in hands on the enemy would you make it? Answer that knock your head i think you becoming an empty debe.

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Re: Tigray taking over Ethiopia
« Reply #163 on: December 01, 2021, 09:41:24 PM »
So now you have a degree in military science?
Abiy is guy who started the offensive. He bombed the hell out of Mekelle. Had them running to the mountains.
Gen Tsakdan was recalled by TPLF - he had be ostracized after falling out with Tigray Generals - during late 90s border wars with Eritrea - when he wanted to storm Asmara and overrun Eritrea.
Other generals thought he was a crazy dude.
He told them he was not going to work with TPLF - they formed TDF.
Gen Tsakdan then told the TPLF he need at least six months to train 100K soldiers.
While Ethiopia and Eritrea forces - plus all the militia - were busy raping and looting in Mekelle - Gen Tsakdan was training 100,000 volunteers into TDF in the hills of Tigray.

When they were ready - it was about 8 months - June - and they started their offensive.

Within two months - they had destroyed 8 army divisions- half of the Ethiopia army. They literally run and left their weapons. Thousands imprisoned.
Had sent Eritrea forces back to Asmara
Then Baby Gen :) Colonel Abiy run to Amhara  Gov Mekonnen - and asked for his milita and forces - they tried and failed.
TDF have matched now to Debre Sina - and have left the A2 around there - and gone to mountains to surround Debre Bihran.

When you're fighting a war - critical highway like Mombasa-Malaba - is quickest way to cripple a gov.
 Ethiopia army itself blockaed Tigray and tried to starve them of everything including food aid/fuel.
Now TDF want to secure that higway and also blockade Ethiopia - without fuel/critical supplies - soon lower ethiopia - will be asking for the route to Lamu.
Even our poor warriors started from there.
Warriors fell trees - dug out tarmac - used trucks to block all the roads. Kibaki was paralyzed. Museveni was paralyzed.

Right now Abbiy is just desperately attacking TDF randomly without any gameplan :)

Mountain warrior - even Kalenjin can teach you about war and tactics. There is a reason why Kalenjin have Laibons. Laibons plan everything. They are military strategist and they use to plan everything to the dot. The warriors just need the discipline to follow the general tactics...in this case the laibon. If it was raiding...it use to take two months of scouting and intelligence gathering...and the actual attack would take 30 minutes or less...it would be a flash...and the cows are gone.

Go to pokot and ask them who plan those cattle raids or attacks - LAIBONS. PEV - the laibons. They gather intelligence before authorizing attacks. Before the first Mungiki boarded vehicles in Dandora - Kalenjin warriors already had the intelligence and were waiting for them. They were lured to their death.

"The spiritual leaders, referred to by local communities as laibons, plot the raids and issue instructions to bandits and it is believed their supernatural powers are absolute in governing blessings or curses."

Pundit you are just a small boy to me when it comes to war and military tactics and thats why i say you are a couch potato relying on internet and books.
TPLF was the Ethiopian army for 30 years when they left power they took with them most of the army equipment and best trained officers. Abiy had ro build army from scratch twice. Firstly when Tplf left with everything after he came to power and second ly last year when the tigray massacred the national army innthe barracks and took most of their equipment.
Abiy is relying on tribal militia and their special forces, actually he is the one that needs studying.
Back to your A2 ,i asked you a simple question if tou marche d from eldoret down the highway to nakuru with the surrounding land being in hands on the enemy would you make it? Answer that knock your head i think you becoming an empty debe.

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Re: Tigray taking over Ethiopia
« Reply #164 on: December 01, 2021, 10:18:39 PM »
Njuri after miraa read this article

Gen Tsadkan Gebretensae: Ethiopia's Tigray rebel mastermind
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-57583208
For four months they were training, organising and fighting at the same time until, by May, Gen Tsadkan and the other commanders estimated that they had achieved parity with their adversaries.


In this interview, conducted in Tigray on 6 July by The Elephant, Gen Tsadkan spells out his views on peace and the way forward for Ethiopia.

https://www.theelephant.info/op-eds/2021/07/09/tigray-crisis-a-conversation-with-general-tsadkan-gebretensae-tigray-defense-force-central-command/

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Re: Tigray taking over Ethiopia
« Reply #165 on: December 01, 2021, 10:26:54 PM »
In fact, I am on public record even before the war started telling people, you know, of all regions, the Region of Tigray is a region which shall not head for war but at same time is not scared of war. I know the history, I know the potential, when this thing started it was very clear that the most senior, most highly experienced commanders are from Tigray, which has been the backbone of the Ethiopian armed forces for the last thirty years, highly experienced because most of them have gone through two major wars, I very much know the military tradition of Tigray, so when you combine those two elements, highly experienced and skillful commanders and a society with a very deep military tradition, it only takes a short period of time to reorganize and regain control.

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Re: Tigray taking over Ethiopia
« Reply #166 on: December 02, 2021, 12:05:28 AM »
You are clearly cheering on the Tigrayans because you think their fighting plays into your Ruto-at-any-cost politics.

Just pray that your so-called "Kalenjin warriors" do not end up with 2 million dead (like the Ibos sadly suffered in Nigeria), and speeches from State House in Nairobi that resemble the ones General Gowon made when he crushed the Biafra rebels and their leader fled to the Ivory Coast:



In fact, I am on public record even before the war started telling people, you know, of all regions, the Region of Tigray is a region which shall not head for war but at same time is not scared of war. I know the history, I know the potential, when this thing started it was very clear that the most senior, most highly experienced commanders are from Tigray, which has been the backbone of the Ethiopian armed forces for the last thirty years, highly experienced because most of them have gone through two major wars, I very much know the military tradition of Tigray, so when you combine those two elements, highly experienced and skillful commanders and a society with a very deep military tradition, it only takes a short period of time to reorganize and regain control.
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Re: Tigray taking over Ethiopia
« Reply #167 on: December 02, 2021, 12:32:51 AM »
Ibos are farmers not warriors
You are clearly cheering on the Tigrayans because you think their fighting plays into your Ruto-at-any-cost politics.

Just pray that your so-called "Kalenjin warriors" do not end up with 2 million dead (like the Ibos sadly suffered in Nigeria), and speeches from State House in Nairobi that resemble the ones General Gowon made when he crushed the Biafra rebels and their leader fled to the Ivory Coast:



In fact, I am on public record even before the war started telling people, you know, of all regions, the Region of Tigray is a region which shall not head for war but at same time is not scared of war. I know the history, I know the potential, when this thing started it was very clear that the most senior, most highly experienced commanders are from Tigray, which has been the backbone of the Ethiopian armed forces for the last thirty years, highly experienced because most of them have gone through two major wars, I very much know the military tradition of Tigray, so when you combine those two elements, highly experienced and skillful commanders and a society with a very deep military tradition, it only takes a short period of time to reorganize and regain control.

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Re: Tigray taking over Ethiopia
« Reply #168 on: December 02, 2021, 12:54:28 AM »
Oh, I see. I suppose, by your type of thinking, one can say that Kalenjins are runners, not warriors. So when real war starts, they will flee like there's no tomorrow!

It's interesting to listen to General Gowon. He has a seemingly very calm way of speaking:


Ibos are farmers not warriors
You are clearly cheering on the Tigrayans because you think their fighting plays into your Ruto-at-any-cost politics.

Just pray that your so-called "Kalenjin warriors" do not end up with 2 million dead (like the Ibos sadly suffered in Nigeria), and speeches from State House in Nairobi that resemble the ones General Gowon made when he crushed the Biafra rebels and their leader fled to the Ivory Coast:



In fact, I am on public record even before the war started telling people, you know, of all regions, the Region of Tigray is a region which shall not head for war but at same time is not scared of war. I know the history, I know the potential, when this thing started it was very clear that the most senior, most highly experienced commanders are from Tigray, which has been the backbone of the Ethiopian armed forces for the last thirty years, highly experienced because most of them have gone through two major wars, I very much know the military tradition of Tigray, so when you combine those two elements, highly experienced and skillful commanders and a society with a very deep military tradition, it only takes a short period of time to reorganize and regain control.
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Re: Tigray taking over Ethiopia
« Reply #169 on: December 02, 2021, 02:11:03 AM »
But Kalenjin are some best warriors - running is essential in battle. That is why kalenjin are natural in war...just like somalis and many ethiopias. War is not for everyone. You cannot tell farmers or fishermen to go to war...when they dont have a tradition of warfare. People are different.

If you disagree go preach that stuff in Somalia or even Northern Kenya - pale folks just dont give a damn. It just good because kenya north dont have any serious grievance or any serious numbers - they are desolate - if they were popolous - kenya will be in trouble.

Oh, I see. I suppose, by your type of thinking, one can say that Kalenjins are runners, not warriors. So when real war starts, they will flee like there's no tomorrow!

It's interesting to listen to General Gowon. He has a seemingly very calm way of speaking:


Ibos are farmers not warriors
You are clearly cheering on the Tigrayans because you think their fighting plays into your Ruto-at-any-cost politics.

Just pray that your so-called "Kalenjin warriors" do not end up with 2 million dead (like the Ibos sadly suffered in Nigeria), and speeches from State House in Nairobi that resemble the ones General Gowon made when he crushed the Biafra rebels and their leader fled to the Ivory Coast:



In fact, I am on public record even before the war started telling people, you know, of all regions, the Region of Tigray is a region which shall not head for war but at same time is not scared of war. I know the history, I know the potential, when this thing started it was very clear that the most senior, most highly experienced commanders are from Tigray, which has been the backbone of the Ethiopian armed forces for the last thirty years, highly experienced because most of them have gone through two major wars, I very much know the military tradition of Tigray, so when you combine those two elements, highly experienced and skillful commanders and a society with a very deep military tradition, it only takes a short period of time to reorganize and regain control.

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Re: Tigray taking over Ethiopia
« Reply #170 on: December 02, 2021, 02:42:45 AM »
Look like Abiy has turned the tables on TDF

ENDF and Amhara reinforcements have been sent to the Fashaga area
Fano has recaptured Mehal Meda
The ENDF+Fano have retaken Lalibela
The ENDF+Fano recaptured Were Ilu and Aketsa
ENDF have recaptured Shewa Robit
ENDF have captured Mezezo
ENDF have recaptured Molale
ENDF have captured Degolo
ENDF have captured Dubko
The ENDF+Fano recaptured Gashena
The ENDF+Fano recaptured Arbit
ENDF visually confirmed to be back in control over Filakit
The Ethiopian Air Force destroyed the Tekeze Dam's electricity substation
The ENDF+Afari forces recaptured Chifra
The ENDF+Afari forces have launched attacks towards Chifra
Amhara militiamen carried out raids against Sudanese forces in Al Fashaga
The ENDF+Afari forces have made gains towards Bati
TDF have captured Kob
TDF have captured Shimdir
TDF have repulsed an attack by Fano and ARSF on Lalibela
Heavy clashes around Debre Sina
TDF captured Kelala town
Heavy clashes reported around Armaniya
Heavy clashes on the A2 highway near Debre Sina
Multiple airstrikes near Shewa Robit by the Ethiopian Air Force
The Ethiopian Air Force has bombed Mekelle with a drone
TDF-OLA have captured Shewa Robit
TDF have captured Molale
TDF have captured Mehal Meda
TDF have captured Degolo
TDF are in control of Meskel Ber area
Heavy clashes between the OLA/TDF vs the ENDF+Afari forces on the road to Bati
Fano recaptured Were Ilu
TDF have captured Jama/Lugama
The OLA are confirmed to control Gidami
TDF+OLA control Senbete
TDF+OLA control Ataye
Afar forces have recaptured Kasa Gita and Burqa area
TDF have captured Akesta
TDF have captured Fito
TDF have captured Gimba
TDF have captured Lege Ambo
Amhara Media claims that Kobo has been raided by Fano, with convoys destroyed
Turusina Mosque in Arba Wayu town near Senbete was hit by an airstrike
Fano has launched an offensive into East Wellega
OLA claim they are making huge progress in Hidabu Abote district
The TDF/OLA are attempting to advance towards Ataye
Repeated attempts by the TDF to progress towards Mille
TDF have captured upper and lower Dawunt woreda
TDF claim destroying a large portion of the Southern Command of the ENDF in Tebasit
TDF claim destroying a large portion of the Western Command of the ENDF near Mekdela University and capturing large amounts of artillery
TDF units have popped up at Efratana Gidim district and clashed with ARSF
TDF are clashing at Antsokia
TDF are fighting in Gishe
Airstrikes at Cheffa Robit have reportedly killed 38 civilians and injured over 40 according to Oromo sources
OLA have captured Cheffa Robit
Clashes south of Kemise
Airstrikes around Kemise
400 Oromia Special Forces allegedly defected to the OLA in Laga Tafo, outside of Addis Ababa
TDF have captured Were Ilu
The TDF have reached Kemise
The Ethiopian Air Force bombed an alleged training camp near Adi Hageray
Heavy clashes at Kasa Gita
TDF have captured Tenta
TDF have captured Ajebar
TDF have captured Kasa Gita town and Burqa area
TDF control Dessie
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Re: Tigray taking over Ethiopia
« Reply #171 on: December 02, 2021, 02:49:11 AM »
Do you remember the famous quote by a well-known Nigerian? It goes like this: A tiger does not proclaim its tigritude. It strikes.

Then there's the well known one that everyone knows: Barking dogs never bite.

Your proclamations and barking are suspect because they are shaped to fit a pre-determined outcome. They are not the real thing. They are politically motivated.

It's like a politician who attends church for political rather than religious reasons and makes a big deal about the huge amounts of money he is donating. His profession of deep faith is not convincing.

In other words, most of your arguments and enthusiasm for the war in Ethiopia, for example, are suspect. They are meant to serve another purpose that is far away from what the actual participants in the war have in mind. Tomorrow, you will suddenly jump to another country, seize on the Somalis, and start glorifying their excellent warrior skills and the Shifta war. Then you'll again leap like a mad man to another part of the world and grab Yugoslavia and start getting very excited over how it broke up into pieces. Why all this lunatic behavior? Because everything is fair game in your mad zeal to get your tribal hero to State House. This is spin not "dispassionate punditry." Some of us can tell the difference and will always call you out. 

But Kalenjin are some best warriors - running is essential in battle. That is why kalenjin are natural in war...just like somalis and many ethiopias. War is not for everyone. You cannot tell farmers or fishermen to go to war...when they dont have a tradition of warfare. People are different.

If you disagree go preach that stuff in Somalia or even Northern Kenya - pale folks just dont give a damn. It just good because kenya north dont have any serious grievance or any serious numbers - they are desolate - if they were popolous - kenya will be in trouble.

Oh, I see. I suppose, by your type of thinking, one can say that Kalenjins are runners, not warriors. So when real war starts, they will flee like there's no tomorrow!

It's interesting to listen to General Gowon. He has a seemingly very calm way of speaking:


Ibos are farmers not warriors
You are clearly cheering on the Tigrayans because you think their fighting plays into your Ruto-at-any-cost politics.

Just pray that your so-called "Kalenjin warriors" do not end up with 2 million dead (like the Ibos sadly suffered in Nigeria), and speeches from State House in Nairobi that resemble the ones General Gowon made when he crushed the Biafra rebels and their leader fled to the Ivory Coast:



In fact, I am on public record even before the war started telling people, you know, of all regions, the Region of Tigray is a region which shall not head for war but at same time is not scared of war. I know the history, I know the potential, when this thing started it was very clear that the most senior, most highly experienced commanders are from Tigray, which has been the backbone of the Ethiopian armed forces for the last thirty years, highly experienced because most of them have gone through two major wars, I very much know the military tradition of Tigray, so when you combine those two elements, highly experienced and skillful commanders and a society with a very deep military tradition, it only takes a short period of time to reorganize and regain control.
Don't steal. The Uhuruto Government hates competition.

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Re: Tigray taking over Ethiopia
« Reply #172 on: December 02, 2021, 03:06:10 AM »
Nigeria is under colony of Northern war mongering tribes - the Hausa and Fulanis - the Poor Igbos are on the receiving end for 50yrs now. The rest of your nonsense is not worthy my time. We discuss many topical issues. Ethiopia is topical. Next month it could be Sudan or Congo.

Ruto is topical issue now. 10yrs ago - we were here - discussing stuff. 20yrs ago - when Ruto was mere MP - were were here.

Do you remember the famous quote by a well-known Nigerian? It goes like this: A tiger does not proclaim its tigritude. It strikes.

Then there's the well known one that everyone knows: Barking dogs never bite.

Your proclamations and barking are suspect because they are shaped to fit a pre-determined outcome. They are not the real thing. They are politically motivated.

It's like a politician who attends church for political rather than religious reasons and makes a big deal about the huge amounts of money he is donating. His profession of deep faith is not convincing.

In other words, most of your arguments and enthusiasm for the war in Ethiopia, for example, are suspect. They are meant to serve another purpose that is far away from what the actual participants in the war have in mind. Tomorrow, you will suddenly jump to another country, seize on the Somalis, and start glorifying their excellent warrior skills and the Shifta war. Then you'll again leap like a mad man to another part of the world and grab Yugoslavia and start getting very excited over how it broke up into pieces. Why all this lunatic behavior? Because everything is fair game in your mad zeal to get your tribal hero to State House. This is spin not "dispassionate punditry." Some of us can tell the difference and will always call you out. 

But Kalenjin are some best warriors - running is essential in battle. That is why kalenjin are natural in war...just like somalis and many ethiopias. War is not for everyone. You cannot tell farmers or fishermen to go to war...when they dont have a tradition of warfare. People are different.

If you disagree go preach that stuff in Somalia or even Northern Kenya - pale folks just dont give a damn. It just good because kenya north dont have any serious grievance or any serious numbers - they are desolate - if they were popolous - kenya will be in trouble.

Oh, I see. I suppose, by your type of thinking, one can say that Kalenjins are runners, not warriors. So when real war starts, they will flee like there's no tomorrow!

It's interesting to listen to General Gowon. He has a seemingly very calm way of speaking:


Ibos are farmers not warriors
You are clearly cheering on the Tigrayans because you think their fighting plays into your Ruto-at-any-cost politics.

Just pray that your so-called "Kalenjin warriors" do not end up with 2 million dead (like the Ibos sadly suffered in Nigeria), and speeches from State House in Nairobi that resemble the ones General Gowon made when he crushed the Biafra rebels and their leader fled to the Ivory Coast:



In fact, I am on public record even before the war started telling people, you know, of all regions, the Region of Tigray is a region which shall not head for war but at same time is not scared of war. I know the history, I know the potential, when this thing started it was very clear that the most senior, most highly experienced commanders are from Tigray, which has been the backbone of the Ethiopian armed forces for the last thirty years, highly experienced because most of them have gone through two major wars, I very much know the military tradition of Tigray, so when you combine those two elements, highly experienced and skillful commanders and a society with a very deep military tradition, it only takes a short period of time to reorganize and regain control.

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Re: Tigray taking over Ethiopia
« Reply #173 on: December 02, 2021, 03:32:03 AM »
You still don't get it. Discussing issues is NOT the issue.

You just think that we don't see what your spin or pre-determined aim is. Some of us see it clearly and refuse to feed into it. That's all.

And yes, the land that now stands called Kenya, is worth defending, whether or not Ruto enters State House.

You can proclaim your so-called "dispassionate punditry" all you want. But no matter how much you repeat it, it won't be what you want us to think it is. No, some of us do not fall for the tricks you and Ruto use, ati repeating something over and over makes it acceptable. :D

Nigeria is under colony of Northern war mongering tribes - the Hausa and Fulanis - the Poor Igbos are on the receiving end for 50yrs now. The rest of your nonsense is not worthy my time. We discuss many topical issues. Ethiopia is topical. Next month it could be Sudan or Congo.

Ruto is topical issue now. 10yrs ago - we were here - discussing stuff. 20yrs ago - when Ruto was mere MP - were were here.

Do you remember the famous quote by a well-known Nigerian? It goes like this: A tiger does not proclaim its tigritude. It strikes.

Then there's the well known one that everyone knows: Barking dogs never bite.

Your proclamations and barking are suspect because they are shaped to fit a pre-determined outcome. They are not the real thing. They are politically motivated.

It's like a politician who attends church for political rather than religious reasons and makes a big deal about the huge amounts of money he is donating. His profession of deep faith is not convincing.

In other words, most of your arguments and enthusiasm for the war in Ethiopia, for example, are suspect. They are meant to serve another purpose that is far away from what the actual participants in the war have in mind. Tomorrow, you will suddenly jump to another country, seize on the Somalis, and start glorifying their excellent warrior skills and the Shifta war. Then you'll again leap like a mad man to another part of the world and grab Yugoslavia and start getting very excited over how it broke up into pieces. Why all this lunatic behavior? Because everything is fair game in your mad zeal to get your tribal hero to State House. This is spin not "dispassionate punditry." Some of us can tell the difference and will always call you out. 

But Kalenjin are some best warriors - running is essential in battle. That is why kalenjin are natural in war...just like somalis and many ethiopias. War is not for everyone. You cannot tell farmers or fishermen to go to war...when they dont have a tradition of warfare. People are different.

If you disagree go preach that stuff in Somalia or even Northern Kenya - pale folks just dont give a damn. It just good because kenya north dont have any serious grievance or any serious numbers - they are desolate - if they were popolous - kenya will be in trouble.

Oh, I see. I suppose, by your type of thinking, one can say that Kalenjins are runners, not warriors. So when real war starts, they will flee like there's no tomorrow!

It's interesting to listen to General Gowon. He has a seemingly very calm way of speaking:


Ibos are farmers not warriors
You are clearly cheering on the Tigrayans because you think their fighting plays into your Ruto-at-any-cost politics.

Just pray that your so-called "Kalenjin warriors" do not end up with 2 million dead (like the Ibos sadly suffered in Nigeria), and speeches from State House in Nairobi that resemble the ones General Gowon made when he crushed the Biafra rebels and their leader fled to the Ivory Coast:



In fact, I am on public record even before the war started telling people, you know, of all regions, the Region of Tigray is a region which shall not head for war but at same time is not scared of war. I know the history, I know the potential, when this thing started it was very clear that the most senior, most highly experienced commanders are from Tigray, which has been the backbone of the Ethiopian armed forces for the last thirty years, highly experienced because most of them have gone through two major wars, I very much know the military tradition of Tigray, so when you combine those two elements, highly experienced and skillful commanders and a society with a very deep military tradition, it only takes a short period of time to reorganize and regain control.
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Re: Tigray taking over Ethiopia
« Reply #174 on: December 02, 2021, 03:36:32 AM »
If you keep asking - I will keep repeating. If you want to be "suprised" like 2007 - you need to keep mum. Facts are stubborn.
You still don't get it. Discussing issues is NOT the issue.

You just think that we don't see what your spin or pre-determined aim is. Some of us see it clearly and refuse to feed into it. That's all.

And yes, the land that now stands called Kenya, is worth defending, whether or not Ruto enters State House.

You can proclaim your so-called "dispassionate punditry" all you want. But no matter how much you repeat it, it won't be what you want us to think it is. No, some of us do not fall for the tricks you and Ruto use, ati repeating something over and over makes it acceptable. :D

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Re: Tigray taking over Ethiopia
« Reply #175 on: December 02, 2021, 03:43:34 AM »
Don't make me laugh by suddenly playing defensive.

I simply follow up on what you write. I have absolutely no fear of your so-called warrior "tradition." Or did you say you're now a retired warrior?  :D

If you keep asking - I will keep repeating. If you want to be "suprised" like 2007 - you need to keep mum. Facts are stubborn.
You still don't get it. Discussing issues is NOT the issue.

You just think that we don't see what your spin or pre-determined aim is. Some of us see it clearly and refuse to feed into it. That's all.

And yes, the land that now stands called Kenya, is worth defending, whether or not Ruto enters State House.

You can proclaim your so-called "dispassionate punditry" all you want. But no matter how much you repeat it, it won't be what you want us to think it is. No, some of us do not fall for the tricks you and Ruto use, ati repeating something over and over makes it acceptable. :D
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Re: Tigray taking over Ethiopia
« Reply #176 on: December 02, 2021, 08:21:22 AM »
Arguing with pundit is a waste of time. The Martial Kalenjin race is supreme. Dont forget how they live back in bomet,marakwet,baringo pokot etc. Its the master race :)

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Re: Tigray taking over Ethiopia
« Reply #177 on: December 02, 2021, 10:07:30 AM »
Read your signature coward. Rather than reading self serving articles - why not read something like this - I read it in primary school
https://www.sahistory.org.za/sites/default/files/archive-files3/c.j._peers_raffaele_ruggeri_warrior_people_of_ebook4me.org_.pdf
Arguing with pundit is a waste of time. The Martial Kalenjin race is supreme. Dont forget how they live back in bomet,marakwet,baringo pokot etc. Its the master race :)

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Re: Tigray taking over Ethiopia
« Reply #178 on: December 02, 2021, 07:34:42 PM »
I wonder how so-called African tribal warriors stand up to drone technology and firepower.
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Re: Tigray taking over Ethiopia
« Reply #179 on: December 02, 2021, 07:40:51 PM »
Go Ask NATO how much they spent in Afgan. The answer 8 trillion dollars...more than enough to lift entire Africa out poverty..and 900,000 deaths.

End results. Nothing. Taliban are back running things.

Lesson: Some wars are not worth starting. Sometimes you need to avoid such useless wars and negotiate a win-win.

In kenya it simple - just hold free and fair election :) - VERY EASY. Implement COk2010 and kenya will become a proud and stable democracy.

You start games about openly rigging with deep state and system :) - you're dismembering the country.

I wonder how so-called African tribal warriors stand up to drone technology and firepower.