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Re: 2007 GE County Wise - Be The Judge who Won .....
« Reply #80 on: October 25, 2021, 04:49:58 PM »
   Words versus numbers.  List the areas you think Kibaki rigged  complete with registered/ election results and turnout percentages we see.  I was made to believe Juja was  massively rigged until I saw a turnout of less than 75%.  Now your claim of 20k here and there for 50 places looks really good on imagination but is it born by reality? The same argument can be made where Raila lost here and there plus Kibaki small margins in areas Raila worn comes to a million votes ama namna gani?

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Re: 2007 GE County Wise - Be The Judge who Won .....
« Reply #81 on: October 25, 2021, 05:10:35 PM »
This is from Landrover EU (some nonsense kweli)

EU Observers report.

Serious inconsistencies and anomalies were identified in various constituency results as
announced by the ECK. For example, in Molo (Rift Valley Province) and Kieni (Central
Province), there were significant differences between presidential election results reported by
EU EOM observers at the constituency level and the results announced by the ECK. In the
case of Molo the difference between the results announced by the Returning Officer as
completed on the 28 December and those announced at KICC on the 30 December record
20,000 more votes in favour of Kibaki while in Kieni, the number of votes gained by the
president was 17,000 more than was announced at constituency level. In the constituency of
Kisumu Town West, the result announced by the Returning Officer at the local level and
recorded by the EU EOM observers was 57,631 while the fax sent to the ECK gave 64,708 to
the same candidate. Moreover, at ECK headquarters, the EU EOM Chief Observer was shown
forms of the constituencies Lari and Kandara, both in Central Province, which had been
changed. It was unclear, by whom, where, and when these changes were made. It was
therefore not possible to verify whether the signature of the party agents was included before
or after the changes.
In Limuru constituency, the Returning Officer had publicly announced 40,788 votes cast for
the PNU presidential candidate. However, when the originals were delivered to the ECK on
29 December 2007, a recheck carried out at the ECK tally centre found that the results were
added up incorrectly and the result was 48,384 votes cast for the same candidate. Similarly, in
Lari constituency (Central Province) the Returning Officer publicly announced on 28
December 2007 that 41,213 votes had been cast for the PNU presidential candidate, while at
the ECK in Nairobi this figure was increased to 49,276, without any other justification than a
written explanation by the Returning Officer.
According to EU EOM reports, the constituency of Subukia (Rift Valley Province) announced
final results on the basis of phone/fax information, not on the basis of the original forms
delivered by the Returning Officer. The Returning Officer announced to the ECK by phone
and fax 64,995 votes cast for the PNU presidential candidate, while the recheck conducted at
the ECK (with changes made twice) established a figure of 59,802 votes cast for the PNU
presidential candidate as per the forms 16A and 16. However, despite this, the final ECK
results for the PNU presidential candidate were based on the originally announced 64,995
votes cast for the PNU presidential candidate. In the constituency of Masinga, the Returning
Officer announced publicly at 09:00 hours on 29 December 2007 that 21,225 votes had been
cast for the ODM-K presidential candidate. When the Returning Officer delivered form 16A
on 30 December 2007 to the ECK, the correct figure of votes cast for the ODM-K presidential
candidate was established to be 33,726 votes. However, the final ECK presidential results for
the ODM-K presidential candidate were announced on the basis of the 21,225 votes as
announced by the Returning Officer and not the 33,726 votes cast as per the original form and
supporting documentation. According to ODM accounts, 47 result copies handed out to their
agents do not show the same presidential results as those released by the ECK.56
Furthermore, the instances of constituencies where the difference between the turnouts for the
presidential and parliamentary elections exceeded 10 per cent raises concerns of irregularities,
most striking examples being Embakasi, Msambweni, Kaloleni, Taveta, Central Imenti,


   Words versus numbers.  List the areas you think Kibaki rigged  complete with registered/ election results and turnout percentages we see.  I was made to believe Juja was  massively rigged until I saw a turnout of less than 75%.  Now your claim of 20k here and there for 50 places looks really good on imagination but is it born by reality? The same argument can be made where Raila lost here and there plus Kibaki small margins in areas Raila worn comes to a million votes ama namna gani?

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Re: 2007 GE County Wise - Be The Judge who Won .....
« Reply #82 on: October 25, 2021, 08:20:10 PM »
 Am halfway done putting those numbers on a spreadsheet so that we  can see where the truth lies.  Just because some mzungus said something doesn't make it true boss.

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« Reply #83 on: October 25, 2021, 08:32:40 PM »
Am halfway done putting those numbers on a spreadsheet so that we  can see where the truth lies.  Just because some mzungus said something doesn't make it true boss.

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« Reply #84 on: October 25, 2021, 10:42:50 PM »
RV,  You like mixing issues so that you confuse people  . First there is no need to compare 2005 Referendum and  2007 General Elections  . Kadhi courts was a very big issue in 2005 which united the muslim community and hence voted against the Wako Draft . Secondly as Kibaki had pointed out after 2005 Referendum  where as in a referendum people go to vote for a document in an election people go to vote for an individual .
 Now on voter turnout of 2013 As highlighted below by IEBC a new voter register was established . In 2007 It was a cumulative old voter register meaning due to deaths and migration of people it was scientifically impossible to have voter turn out of 96 % . Thats why as showcased below the turnout in 2017 went into 80% s (A drop by around 10% )

Turnout Luo Nyanza  2013          2017
               SIAYA   92.47%    83.01 %
             KISUMU   90.45%    81.64 %
          HOMABAY   94.14%    84.71 %
             MIGORI   92.02%    83.20 %

https://www.iebc.or.ke/uploads/resources/EIqEo3LuiB.pdf

The registration of voters was a major milestone which established a new Voter Register that replaced the one developed for 2010 Constitutional Referendum.


Now about media remember almost a replica happened in 2013 where media houses were doing their own transmission and tallying results - Isaack had to comeout and call them out and tell them only IEBC would be giving out results and they used to be given periodically until a certain point where for almost 3 days there were no results announced . Isaack managed to keep the nation calm unlike Kivuitu who was senile was yapping that He doesnt know why results are taking long to come its as if they being cooked , Such talk is one of the reason which embolden ODM who had a well thought out strategy of leading Kenya to a stale mate .

Of Party agents - The same story replicated in  and 2017 where ODM even argued in courts thats the results had not been certified by their party agents where as either they didnt have the party agents in some areas or the blatantly refused to append their signatures - Luckily by 2017 we had laws in place to deal with these kind of mischief

I will not even go through your MOAS it was erratic from the word go - When you gave Kibaki 17% or so  in N.Eastern I knew it was a wrap . Every one Knew Kibaki would win in North Eastern .

Media houses had video evidence where RO announced results at constituency - and what was finally announced at KICC was totally different - nearly all corrections added Kibaki numbers - and reduced Raila numbers.

Observers also documented many such cases...and nearly all refused to give the elections a clean bill of health. All evidence they have shown Kibaki numbers inflated - Raila numbers deflated - from what they had observed at various tallying centers.

Party agents did the same.

Right at KICC - Martha Karua PNU appointed commisioners were also altering results in the guise of verification. This was first rigging - when Martha and Kibaki picked referees - something that even Moi didnt do in 1997.

The evidence of rigging is too overwhelmingly..

I am afraid if you do not use drugs - because then it mean your madness is more serious.

Turnout.

2013 was biometric based....in most places 98 percent of voters were identified by biometric...meaning they turned out to vote.

National turnout was 85 percent.

This was 2013 turnout for Luo Nyanza
SIAYA   92.47%
KISUMU   90.45%
HOMABAY   94.14%
MIGORI   92.02%

Do you think they rigged 2013 too? When Biometric identified the voters?

In 2007 - as part of my prediction for turnout - I did historical analysis since 1992 - and I came up with predicted turnout like see - because what I discovered was that historically Kalenjin and Luos turned out at very high rate - the third were kikuyus.

NYANZA PROV   Reg Votes 05   % Turn Out(2005)   Exp Turn Out
Mbita    31172   71.60%   83.600%
Bobasi    64861   40.90%   55.900%
Gwassi    28494   65.10%   80.100%
Kuria    49555   52.10%   57.100%
Nyatike    42245   89.10%   96.100%
Bomachoge    57997   39.50%   44.500%
Rongo    58942   77.50%   89.500%
Bonchari    34278   45.10%   50.100%
Nyaribari Masaba    46239   41.20%   46.200%
Nyaribari Chache    51460   39.00%   44.000%
Kitutu Chache    67900   42.00%   47.000%
Kitutu Masaba    65854   41.50%   46.500%
West Mugirango    55295   43.20%   48.200%
South Mugirango    47162   39.70%   44.700%
Rarieda    43718   58.10%   73.100%
Uriri    34187   80.80%   95.800%
Migori    52589   74.30%   89.300%
Ugenya    70162   54.10%   69.100%
Bondo    47928   59.30%   74.300%
Kisumu Town East    44248   53.50%   68.500%
Kisumu Town West    71477   45.70%   60.700%
Kisumu Rural    43012   58.30%   73.300%
Nyando    44712   68.00%   83.000%
Gem    51920   52.70%   67.700%
Nyakach    45704   67.30%   82.300%
Kasipul Kabondo    64355   72.30%   87.300%
Karachuonyo    52606   78.40%   93.400%
Rangwe    60453   66.60%   81.600%
Ndhiwa    51301   74.60%   89.600%
Muhoroni    48009   59.50%   74.500%
Alego    66481   59.10%   74.100%
   1594316      70.035%


And it panned out exactly that way.

EXCEPT FOR KIBAKI STRONGHOLDS where MASSIVE BRAZEN RIGGING HAPPEN

2013 results were also delayed.  Do you also want to say 2013 elections were rigged.
The Media messed up 2007 election by relaying unverified results.
In 2013 results were delayed by more days in comparison to 2007.
The Premature releying of results by media houses before verification led to the belief by Odmers that they were winning election.
I have never in my life used drugs unlike you who binge drinks everyday. If it is about rigging all indicators show Raila is thenone who rigged. Its unscientific to have 96% voter turn out. but for you thats okei. Its always okei to you as long as it supports your views.

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Re: 2007 GE County Wise - Be The Judge who Won .....
« Reply #85 on: October 25, 2021, 11:03:51 PM »
Once they cant prove their allegations they throw in 2005 Referendum . Its a wrong premise to use  2005  Referendumn and justify 2007 General Elections . This are 2 distinct events with different components in them. Its akin to Justify 2013  Election results with 2010 Referendum Results .
First Referendum dont attract voters in comparison to General elections  . This can be attested by 2005 voter Turn out which was partly 53 % where as the 2007 General Election Voter Turn out was 69 %
Second as pointed out earlier  In a referendum people vote for or against a document - In a General Election one votes for or against an individual
Thirdly as you have always been saying a General Election is even more attractive because you also go to vote for Councilors/MCAs  & MPS - These local leaders also do alot of mobilization

Comparing Referendum and General Elections is just like comparing apples to oranges .



it's easy - take 2005 referendum for yes - and those became Kibaki numbers. ODM - got it name literally from referendum - then Kalonzo took off with Kambas - and Uhuru-Moi family went PNU.

Response   Votes   %
 Yes   2,532,918   41.65%
 No   3,548,477   58.35%

Now if you take Kalonzo Kambas 9 percent from ODM - it becomes 50 percents - take Uhuru-Kanu maybe 2 percent - see Raila should have won by 46-48 percent.

Kibaki didnt do anything btw 2005 to 2007 to alter his fortunes...in fact 3 months to election he was still disorganized.

Eventually he resorted to using prov administration - chiefs and aps.

Any turnout by GEMA would be cancelled out by Luo+Kalenjin. The rest of kenya did not bother much with elections.

Kibaki rigged - brazenly



Because it helps prove if rigging was that big.  If turn out was 75% then is that really big or just normal.  Now picture this... Raila lost  Kwanza, sabotage, won Chera by less than 1000 votes, in Eldoret North kwa Ruto  he got  about 80k vs Kibaki  23k votes, Eldoret East he got  59k to Kibaki  12k, Eldoret South 46k vs 16k, Addai 38k vs 6k, Imgwen 51k vs 8k, Tinderbox 49k vs 6k, Baring East  lost to Kibaki 7600 to 4k,Eldama Ravine  Raila  26k vs 9k, Kuresoi 50k vs 19k, Kilgore 22k vs 8k, Narok  North  44k vs 21k, Narok South 48k vs 12k,  Kajiado North  he  lost  49k to 25k,  won Kajiado Central  26k to 13k, Malava  19k to 14k, Lugari  42k to 21k, Mumbai 38k to 8k, Lurambi  38k vs 17k, Shinyalu  27k vs 10k ,Ikolomani 19k vs 8k, Emuhaya 30k vs 13k, Hamish 28k vs 10k, Mt Elgon 29k vs 8k, . He lost  Kimilili  35k to 17k, lost  Webuye 29k to 19k, lost  Sirisia  32k to 13k, lost  Bumula  23k to 9k . In Budalangi with  Namwamba swearing by his name in parliament  Raila  12k vs 7k for Kibaki,  lost  Kuria 23k vs  19k ,  Bonchari  Raila  14k vs Kibaki  11k,  lost  South  Mogirango  21k vs 14k, lost  Bomachoge  26k to  18k , won Bobasi 28k vs  21k,  lost Nyaribari Masaba  19k to  12k, lost  Nyaribari  Chache  19k vs 15k, won Kitutu Chache  26k vs 21k, lost  Kitutu  Masaba  29k vs  23k, lost  West  Mogirango 26k  to  17k, lost  North  Mogirango Borabu  32kvs 24k.
   Now if you drop any bias you can clearly see that words such as Raila had massive support everywhere as opposed to Kibaki  central province only created a perception not born by reality. Railas win was a creation of the media hype for months leading to the election.  Numbers speak for themselves  sir.   And one last thing....Kivuitu never said he didn't know who won. The question put to him in front of everyone was did Kibaki win in a fair election and he said He didn't know.  Another of those media creations.

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Re: 2007 GE County Wise - Be The Judge who Won .....
« Reply #86 on: October 26, 2021, 12:21:01 AM »
Exit poll mirrors moass in nep and in everything else except kibaki.

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Re: 2007 GE County Wise - Be The Judge who Won .....
« Reply #87 on: October 26, 2021, 04:27:10 AM »
  Here are the numbers. Lets dissect them without bias now then where we think there was rigging we can try adjust them just to see what the outcome might have looked like. Am missing two constituencies Kamkunji and Malava so Nowaya can you please furnish us with with the figures if you can.
   

     

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Re: 2007 GE County Wise - Be The Judge who Won .....
« Reply #88 on: October 26, 2021, 06:31:54 AM »
  Here are the numbers. Lets dissect them without bias now then where we think there was rigging we can try adjust them just to see what the outcome might have looked like. Am missing two constituencies Kamkunji and Malava so Nowaya can you please furnish us with with the figures if you can.
   

     

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« Reply #89 on: October 26, 2021, 08:04:18 AM »
Finally the hubris that Kibaki rigged election 2007 has been put to rest. This reinforce the belief that Kibaki won by a small margin anywhere said to be between 23,000-48,000 votes.
Pundit you have been hammered by numerical facts for the first time. Bravo to Noway and mankind.we need take this mainstream that Kibaki won fairly in a rigged election by ODM. We need revist.

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« Reply #90 on: October 26, 2021, 09:22:38 AM »
Hammered how? You guys are wasting time in an election rigged brazenly. I can understand if like Michuki you justify that it was better to rig Kibaki in - than have Raila as PORK.
Finally the hubris that Kibaki rigged election 2007 has been put to rest. This reinforce the belief that Kibaki won by a small margin anywhere said to be between 23,000-48,000 votes.
Pundit you have been hammered by numerical facts for the first time. Bravo to Noway and mankind.we need take this mainstream that Kibaki won fairly in a rigged election by ODM. We need revist.

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« Reply #91 on: October 26, 2021, 05:58:50 PM »

Mankind Election Presidential results for Kamkunji were cancelled due to Violence but Kibaki won there hands down . As for Malava
below are the results


Constituency       Kibaki      Raila

Malava                14,712    19,891

  Here are the numbers. Lets dissect them without bias now then where we think there was rigging we can try adjust them just to see what the outcome might have looked like. Am missing two constituencies Kamkunji and Malava so Nowaya can you please furnish us with with the figures if you can.
   

     

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« Reply #92 on: March 08, 2022, 11:37:47 PM »

People like using Tharaka Nithi 2007 election results forgerting that due historical Injustice Tharaka Nithi a county had only 2 constituencies
Tharaka Nithi

Constituency   Kibaki      Raila
Nithi               95,693     1,849
Tharaka          31,567     1,466

Total               127,260    3,315


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« Reply #93 on: March 09, 2022, 12:36:50 AM »
No use commenting on this issue. It seems some people have et to accept that their man is a thief. Kibaki is even toda not considered a statesman. Nobod talks about him even in Kena. It is as if he never existed. Bure kabisa.

Hammered how? You guys are wasting time in an election rigged brazenly. I can understand if like Michuki you justify that it was better to rig Kibaki in - than have Raila as PORK.

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« Reply #94 on: March 09, 2022, 01:03:45 AM »


The Propaganda bubble you live in
Ruto considers Kibaki a statesman for not interfering with transition politics  when his term was ending
Uhuru considers Kibaki a statesman and always says he continued Kibakis legacy
Kalonzo considers Kibaki a statesman and is on record saying he is proud of being his Vice President
Raila considers Kibaki a statesman and always takes credit of Work done by Kibaki.

No use commenting on this issue. It seems some people have et to accept that their man is a thief. Kibaki is even toda not considered a statesman. Nobod talks about him even in Kena. It is as if he never existed. Bure kabisa.

Hammered how? You guys are wasting time in an election rigged brazenly. I can understand if like Michuki you justify that it was better to rig Kibaki in - than have Raila as PORK.

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« Reply #95 on: August 29, 2022, 07:05:01 PM »

Molo the Constiuency RV claims was rigged if you look at the numbers. You realise RV iw just yapping.
Overall 2022 has just showed Kibaki won in 2007. The myth that you have to have the system to win Kenyan elections has been debunked.

  Here are the numbers. Lets dissect them without bias now then where we think there was rigging we can try adjust them just to see what the outcome might have looked like. Am missing two constituencies Kamkunji and Malava so Nowaya can you please furnish us with with the figures if you can.
   

     

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« Reply #96 on: October 16, 2023, 01:05:29 PM »

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« Reply #97 on: October 16, 2023, 01:08:35 PM »
It was crude rigging that even MOI felt ashamed.. kidnapping retiring officers and changing figures.it was bloody coup.This is why we have cok 2010 and the iebc has introduced serious reforms