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Njuri Ncheke - Listen to Babu - no need for violence.
« on: October 18, 2021, 02:54:39 PM »
This is taking kenya back - we should listen to Babu and reject him on the ballot.

https://www.facebook.com/SamsonNHustler/videos/1056744818199238/

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Re: Njuri Ncheke - Listen to Babu - no need for violence.
« Reply #1 on: October 18, 2021, 03:05:58 PM »
Meanwhile according new pollster Mizani rally climbing very fast the Mountain.

Ruto at 58 while Raila is 27

https://www.pd.co.ke/news/politics-analysis/ruto-still-leading-in-central-new-research-shows-99469/

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Re: Njuri Ncheke - Listen to Babu - no need for violence.
« Reply #2 on: October 18, 2021, 05:24:12 PM »
This is taking kenya back - we should listen to Babu and reject him on the ballot.

https://www.facebook.com/SamsonNHustler/videos/1056744818199238/
Pundit am not sure this is meru I don't think so.I need research properly but Merus are not violent unless you directly insult or do something very wrong to them there and then they will deal with you .

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Re: Njuri Ncheke - Listen to Babu - no need for violence.
« Reply #3 on: October 18, 2021, 05:31:51 PM »
Meanwhile according new pollster Mizani rally climbing very fast the Mountain.

Ruto at 58 while Raila is 27

https://www.pd.co.ke/news/politics-analysis/ruto-still-leading-in-central-new-research-shows-99469/
Thats why am on record never ever supporting any opinion poll since the  rcbowen era . But you on contrary praises and gets excited
 This is all A scheme so that by july 22 they say baba 51% Ruto 46%

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« Reply #4 on: October 18, 2021, 05:45:28 PM »
I wont summarily dismiss opinion polls. I think they carry some truth. There is massaging of course. I keep track of them. For example - there is narrative to say Baba is making progress -

You see for example Radio Africa - has been showing Ruto at 49 percent in Central - undecided and wont vote at 25 - Raila at 5 percent.

Their new poll - Ruto climbs to 57 - Raila climbed to 11 - undecided came down to 15 or so percent.

As for this Mizani -  Raila climbing to 27 percent seem like pure propaganda.

We need many pollsters - so we know how things are going.

Thats why am on record never ever supporting any opinion poll since the  rcbowen era . But you on contrary praises and gets excited
 This is all A scheme so that by july 22 they say baba 51% Ruto 46%

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Re: Njuri Ncheke - Listen to Babu - no need for violence.
« Reply #5 on: October 18, 2021, 05:47:25 PM »
In a nutshell opinion polls in Kenya are for highest bidder  :)

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« Reply #6 on: October 18, 2021, 05:55:42 PM »
Not all the time - just like anything - you need an eye for the details - to discern. I hope you're not saying Baba will score zero in GEMA. In 2017 - with Munya help he scored almost 20 percent. In Bomet - with Isaac help he scored 10 percent.

In a nutshell opinion polls in Kenya are fir highest bidder  :)

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« Reply #7 on: October 18, 2021, 05:59:25 PM »
Not all the time - just like anything - you need an eye for the details - to discern. I hope you're not saying Baba will score zero in GEMA. In 2017 - with Munya help he scored almost 20 percent. In Bomet - with Isaac help he scored 10 percent.

In a nutshell opinion polls in Kenya are fir highest bidder  :)
Nope i Mean opinion poll are very easily manipulated you can tell the trend,deep state candidate will always energe with top points. Wait and see July 22 then again you will see. The good thing people don't get swayed by opinion polls like in West countries.

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Re: Njuri Ncheke - Listen to Babu - no need for violence.
« Reply #8 on: October 18, 2021, 06:03:13 PM »
Okay so Njuri based on your bar research - what do you think is baba rating versus Ruto - as of now.
Nope i Mean opinion poll are very easily manipulated you can tell the trend,deep state candidate will always energe with top points. Wait and see July 22 then again you will see. The good thing people don't get swayed by opinion polls like in West countries.

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Re: Njuri Ncheke - Listen to Babu - no need for violence.
« Reply #9 on: October 18, 2021, 06:34:22 PM »
Meanwhile according new pollster Mizani rally climbing very fast the Mountain.

Ruto at 58 while Raila is 27

https://www.pd.co.ke/news/politics-analysis/ruto-still-leading-in-central-new-research-shows-99469/

Looks dubious but give it to Uhunye; Babu has a chance at freely selling his shiet in Mount Kenya. Whether he is convincing or not is another matter. Methinks with a few foot soldiers there, Uhunye's billions and tacit support, and no head to head foe, he will score better than in 2013 & 2017
2 Timothy 2:4  No man that warreth entangleth himself with the affairs of this life; that he may please him who hath chosen him to be a soldier.

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« Reply #10 on: October 18, 2021, 06:41:52 PM »
Yes definitely if Uhuru really goes all out with his machinery - he can even score 40 or even 50 percent - unfortunantely - without OKA it going not balance. Baba has to appoint DPORK from Mt Kenya. I expect  Mt Kenya votes to be 25 percent.

Raila will run up the mountain - only to realize to become Kenya PORK - he needed NASA intact. ODM itself continues to implode in his coast stronghold.

So Raila may run for 12 percent of GEMA - and lose 20 percent of NASA - ending poorer than in 2017.

In fact without Kalonzo/Ukambani - Baba should not even think of running.

This has been really Raila curse - cannot consolidate and build on the gains - the way Ruto does meticously and patiently been doing - in ODM - when I was there - once Kalonzo bolted - we got into riggable situation - we lost to Kibaki.

Instead of Raila realizing he had 46 percent in 2007 - and just needed 5 percent more in 2013 - he goes into war with Kalenjin.

Once maDVD saw it was dead on arrival - he also bolted out of ODM - so he entered 20minus - gained 10 percent in Kambaas - end results 43 percent - despite running as incumbent Prime Minister, back to back kikuyu candidate and one also indicted by ICC - it was simplest election for him to win.

In 2017 - he attempted to consolidate - did add maDVD+weta+ccm+pnu - but it was not enough - but at least he got back to 2007 45 percent.

Now he is literally starting from the scratch again to assemble a new team.


Looks dubious but give it to Uhunye; Babu has a chance at freely selling his shiet in Mount Kenya. Whether he is convincing or not is another matter. Methinks with a few foot soldiers there, Uhunye's billions and tacit support, and no head to head foe, he will score better than in 2013 & 2017

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« Reply #11 on: October 18, 2021, 10:03:38 PM »
Okay so Njuri based on your bar research - what do you think is baba rating versus Ruto - as of now.
Nope i Mean opinion poll are very easily manipulated you can tell the trend,deep state candidate will always energe with top points. Wait and see July 22 then again you will see. The good thing people don't get swayed by opinion polls like in West countries.
My own personal analysis is at the moment Ruto still commands about 67% of national vote if elections are held today.
But that will change and contrary to what we thought before it appears gatheca will pour mama nginas billions for baba thats where it gets tricky,money. For first time baba has an endless supply of money not just the 6 billions he has used before to challenge the system. Here is where Ruto need restrategize.

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« Reply #12 on: October 18, 2021, 11:10:23 PM »
I doubt Mama Ngina as tight-fisted as she is - will open money for anyone - apart from his son.Maybe state largesses. Dont worry about money. RvHH say Ruto has bottomless of those. Gatheca I doubt will hit the campaign trail - but if he does - he will become subject. Ruto and team have gone cold on him.

Yes but I agree with you that Uhuru and his state machinery is big factor - unlike Nowayaha who think he isnt. Ruto need to work on just one of OKA principles - and it's over.

Without state and Uhuru factor - Ruto would steamroll Raila and company - he is only surviving because Uhuru wants him to survive.

If Ruto get Kalonzo - it wont matter what Uhuru does - it will be over. Ruto would be playing around 60 percent.

I would give Kalonzo wiper - 30 percent deal - but keep DPORK for Mt Kenya - and that will end this long story. Kalonzo is for me the most prized asset now - Ruto can get 30 percent of Ukambani if Muthama really work hard - but getting 90 percent - of Kambas is critical in the 3 ukambani, Nairobi, Mombasa, kwale and Taita Taveta...Kambas make some critical numbers there...so for me I would concentrate on Kalonzo.

Weta gives a play in two counties. MaDVD give critical play only in 2 counties. Luhyas of Nairobi and Mombasa are unlikely to undo their partnership with Luos.

My own personal analysis is at the moment Ruto still commands about 67% of national vote if elections are held today.
But that will change and contrary to what we thought before it appears gatheca will pour mama nginas billions for baba thats where it gets tricky,money. For first time baba has an endless supply of money not just the 6 billions he has used before to challenge the system. Here is where Ruto need restrategize.

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Re: Njuri Ncheke - Listen to Babu - no need for violence.
« Reply #13 on: October 19, 2021, 04:26:54 AM »
I cant stop retaliating that Ruto needs Gema vs going against Gema.
RV the propasal of trying to get Kalonzo to partner with Ruto will make Mt Kenya bolt out period.
In 2002 Moi and Uhuru had the Government machinery but still lost out. Im 2013 Mudavadi was to get the Govt Machinery but Govt decided to sit out after seeing how the UhuRuto wave was unbeatable.
Bottom line Kalonzo will be Railas running mate. Secondly this is something people are realising now with the new constitution . It is impossible to win the Presidency without Mt Kenya. Ruto put it blanyly in 2013 he had to go to Rift Valley and tell them of we go with Raila or stand alone . Mt Kenya will unite with Luhyas and bag this thing. We have to be in Government.
Now back to the basics . Ruto needs Raila to become President .
Ive said this before when reality comes in just as it was in 1997 Mt Kenyans will vote for Ruto. In 2002 KANUs and Uhuru budget dwarfed NARC but NARC won the elections like KANU never campaigned. Lastly if you note Uhuru is sublimally politicking against Ruto .He is not attacking him directly not even mentioning his name. Kenyan politics since the introduction of Multipartism has been Gema Vs Anti Gema Narrative thinking you can change that by a stroke of pen is being dumb. It took Uhuru 1997 , 2002 and 2007 elections to realise that.
Moi tried to change the narrative he was shown the middle finger in 2002, Mudavadi, Uhuru and Kibaki tried to change that in 2013 it took Ruto and the masses to tell them Uhuru you are not a factor GEMA is a factor.

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Re: Njuri Ncheke - Listen to Babu - no need for violence.
« Reply #14 on: October 19, 2021, 04:41:09 AM »
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Re: Njuri Ncheke - Listen to Babu - no need for violence.
« Reply #15 on: October 19, 2021, 05:40:55 AM »
Let no one use Ruto has been campaigning since .....as an excuse.
Raila more recently has used the BBI rallies and funerals to campaign. In the long run Raila has been campaigning since 2013. He still didnt manage to beat Kibaki in 2007 and Uhuru in 2013 and 2017.
Its impossible to beat Ruto in 2022 not unless he toshas someone.



I hate to do this because it’s too early but baba is just warming up, Ruto has been campaigning on a daily basis for 5yrs. Pundit is right on this one, the Okoa crew will be very critical, it’s like a chess game. Baba had a good showing in Meru ?s=21

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« Reply #16 on: October 19, 2021, 08:01:39 AM »
It all depends
1) GEMA are disunited - even in Raila camp - almost everyone want to become DPORK. In Ruto camp the same. Outside Kiunjuri is pissing, Kuria creating tantrums and martha as always confused. There is Mt kenya East and West. The rift valley part seem settled on Ruto for their own security and peace. There is low turnout in registration and little enthusiasm without a candidate - in election btw two Rs (ruguru :)). Wairia is out there with posters and tv commercial. Kabogo with Beba beba. It's total chaos as their is no apparent Uhuru heir.

All combined I believe GEMA vote will reduce to 25 percent of the national vote. It might get splintered into even 3 camps (Ruto, Raila, internal)- making it effectiveness in national tally very limited.

2) Uhuru and state machinery - aka deep state/system - if they are serious about Raila candidature - will definitely take significant sail off Ruto Mt kenya wave. How much will that dent - I believe upto 30 percent is possible. If Ruto goes to below 60 percent - Ruto gains from Non-GEMA will not be enough to finish off UhuRaila and leave a buffer for rigging.

3) Oka are critical for Raila and end game move by Ruto. With either of OKOA principles- even Ruto scoring 40 percent of Mt kenya can still win. I dont agree that Ruto signing any of OKA will elicit negative reaction - like Ruto talking to Raila. The is simply no Anti-Kalonzo or Anti-MaDVD sentiments in there.

Ruto as of now can win - by 51 percent - while fighting Uhuru - and without any OKA. But worse case scenario if Mt kenya splinter and Uhuru goes hard...he will come down to 47 percent - and will need at least a Wetangula to get there....
Bottomline for me if I was Ruto - Mt Kenya should now be non-critical play - the real critical play is to prize off one or two OKA principles - and then go back to GEMA - and give them remainder.  GEMA still have chance to get 40 percent but realistically the more they splinter the more they reduce their negotiating power. If they give Ruto 15 percent - of his tally - they will be entitled to about 30 percent of gov. Kambas or Luhyas can fill the void - and take 20-25 percent. Ruto will take 50 percent for pastoralist+coast.

If Ruto get Kalonzo - without giving him DPORK - that will end the game for Raila - he would need 100 percent of GEMA to win. Mt kenya hustlers will be happy with DPORK like Gachagua - and Ruto will play for even 40 percent of Mt kenya and still win.


I cant stop retaliating that Ruto needs Gema vs going against Gema.
RV the propasal of trying to get Kalonzo to partner with Ruto will make Mt Kenya bolt out period.
In 2002 Moi and Uhuru had the Government machinery but still lost out. Im 2013 Mudavadi was to get the Govt Machinery but Govt decided to sit out after seeing how the UhuRuto wave was unbeatable.
Bottom line Kalonzo will be Railas running mate. Secondly this is something people are realising now with the new constitution . It is impossible to win the Presidency without Mt Kenya. Ruto put it blanyly in 2013 he had to go to Rift Valley and tell them of we go with Raila or stand alone . Mt Kenya will unite with Luhyas and bag this thing. We have to be in Government.
Now back to the basics . Ruto needs Raila to become President .
Ive said this before when reality comes in just as it was in 1997 Mt Kenyans will vote for Ruto. In 2002 KANUs and Uhuru budget dwarfed NARC but NARC won the elections like KANU never campaigned. Lastly if you note Uhuru is sublimally politicking against Ruto .He is not attacking him directly not even mentioning his name. Kenyan politics since the introduction of Multipartism has been Gema Vs Anti Gema Narrative thinking you can change that by a stroke of pen is being dumb. It took Uhuru 1997 , 2002 and 2007 elections to realise that.
Moi tried to change the narrative he was shown the middle finger in 2002, Mudavadi, Uhuru and Kibaki tried to change that in 2013 it took Ruto and the masses to tell them Uhuru you are not a factor GEMA is a factor.


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« Reply #17 on: October 19, 2021, 02:42:13 PM »
Appears Kiratu is facing stiff resistance and Imenti are now more pro Ruto than other Merus. Baba shouted down in almost all imenti towns.
https://www.tuko.co.ke/politics/430154-raila-odingas-address-meru-residents-disrupted-locals-chant-pro-ruto-slogans/
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« Reply #18 on: October 19, 2021, 02:53:34 PM »
That is better - than  throwing stones. As Munya and Kiraitu fight - Mwangaza will sneak through and become Meru governor. I think Uhuru has kiraitu balls - due to corruption deals. Otherwise I doubt he would want to risk his political career.

At least I can understand someone like Nakuru Lee - that one is gone because Kalenjina at nearly 40 percent - will give Susan Kihika the governorship.

Appears Kiratu is facing stiff resistance and Imenti are now more pro Ruto than other Merus. Baba shouted down in almost all imenti towns.
https://www.tuko.co.ke/politics/430154-raila-odingas-address-meru-residents-disrupted-locals-chant-pro-ruto-slogans/
?s=20


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« Reply #19 on: October 19, 2021, 03:34:14 PM »
GEMA disunity is what the media is trying to sell. They tried to sell the same in 2013 in Kalenjin land .  The ballot is whole ball game.
The propaganda done locally during the last few days and the election day is too much that it significally affects the outcome.

GEMA Counties have the status quo lead on registered voters all together . In as Much as they have lower target achievement levels . They still lead in the number of newly registered voters.
Ruto will focus on RV , Gema and North Eastern and try to top it up with Non GEMA votes.
There is noway Kalonzo will come down from a DP candidacy post and he wont get it from Ruto.
Kalonzo also has no financial muscle meaning he is going back to Raila thats the only formula he has.
Leaving Mudavadi or Wetangula to either bolt out or run with Raila again.Either way as witnessed in 2017 if they decide to stick with Raila a substantial number of Luhya voters will vote for Ruto. If the come to Rutos side then they can claim the Luhya votes for Ruto was thanks to them and in so doing manage to get plum cabinet jobs.
Now about Coast Apart from Mombasa Ruto will win all counties.
These is where Raila will realise that his handshake was mistake.
In 2017 Jubilee in Kilifi where majority of votes are perfomed really poorly 2022 will be a Kissi moment for Ruto just like they did in 2017 and flipped Kissi Nyamira counties.

If you look at which counties Ruto will flip vis a vis Raila you will realise .2022 elections is done and dusted. This doesnt mean Ruto should sleep until 2022 elections No. Actually Ruto should go hard on his opponents .

Or lets put this simply which Counties will Raila flip ?
In Mt Kenya Counties  with exception of Kiambu . Ruto will score 85% and above. Nakuru (combination of Kalenjin Kikuyus ) Thats an assured Ruto basket. Mt Kenya East are even happier with Ruto. Meru, Embu Kirinyaga & Tharaka Nithi unlike their brothers and sisters from Kikuyu are more emotional and they vote with their hearts .
Muranga and Nyeri they simply hate Raila . Laikipia ,Nyandarua will always follow their brothers and sisters from Central same with Mt Kenyans in Kajiado, Narok and Nairobi.
 I think you underate the political might of GEMA. With the new constituition there is no way you can win Presidency without GEMA. After 2013 elections Raila realised this hence he pursued the OKOA Kenya Constituional change which failed before 2017 from figures he knew its impossible to win if GEMA partner with another tribe he tried to force a Nusu mkate Government which he nearly managed but thanks to Ruto failed.
Thats why he secretley went to talks with Uhuru. Without the 3 other NASA leaders.Railas calculation was to appease Uhuru get a referendumn and use the referendum to turn Mt Kenyas against Ruto. It failed miserably. Now he is trying to appease Mt Kenya directly he fail miserably.
If I was to advice Raila I would tell him Tosha someone and the dynamics will change drastically.


It all depends
1) GEMA are disunited - even in Raila camp - almost everyone want to become DPORK. In Ruto camp the same. Outside Kiunjuri is pissing, Kuria creating tantrums and martha as always confused. There is Mt kenya East and West. The rift valley part seem settled on Ruto for their own security and peace. There is low turnout in registration and little enthusiasm without a candidate - in election btw two Rs (ruguru :)). Wairia is out there with posters and tv commercial. Kabogo with Beba beba. It's total chaos as their is no apparent Uhuru heir.

All combined I believe GEMA vote will reduce to 25 percent of the national vote. It might get splintered into even 3 camps (Ruto, Raila, internal)- making it effectiveness in national tally very limited.

2) Uhuru and state machinery - aka deep state/system - if they are serious about Raila candidature - will definitely take significant sail off Ruto Mt kenya wave. How much will that dent - I believe upto 30 percent is possible. If Ruto goes to below 60 percent - Ruto gains from Non-GEMA will not be enough to finish off UhuRaila and leave a buffer for rigging.

3) Oka are critical for Raila and end game move by Ruto. With either of OKOA principles- even Ruto scoring 40 percent of Mt kenya can still win. I dont agree that Ruto signing any of OKA will elicit negative reaction - like Ruto talking to Raila. The is simply no Anti-Kalonzo or Anti-MaDVD sentiments in there.

Ruto as of now can win - by 51 percent - while fighting Uhuru - and without any OKA. But worse case scenario if Mt kenya splinter and Uhuru goes hard...he will come down to 47 percent - and will need at least a Wetangula to get there....
Bottomline for me if I was Ruto - Mt Kenya should now be non-critical play - the real critical play is to prize off one or two OKA principles - and then go back to GEMA - and give them remainder.  GEMA still have chance to get 40 percent but realistically the more they splinter the more they reduce their negotiating power. If they give Ruto 15 percent - of his tally - they will be entitled to about 30 percent of gov. Kambas or Luhyas can fill the void - and take 20-25 percent. Ruto will take 50 percent for pastoralist+coast.

If Ruto get Kalonzo - without giving him DPORK - that will end the game for Raila - he would need 100 percent of GEMA to win. Mt kenya hustlers will be happy with DPORK like Gachagua - and Ruto will play for even 40 percent of Mt kenya and still win.


I cant stop retaliating that Ruto needs Gema vs going against Gema.
RV the propasal of trying to get Kalonzo to partner with Ruto will make Mt Kenya bolt out period.
In 2002 Moi and Uhuru had the Government machinery but still lost out. Im 2013 Mudavadi was to get the Govt Machinery but Govt decided to sit out after seeing how the UhuRuto wave was unbeatable.
Bottom line Kalonzo will be Railas running mate. Secondly this is something people are realising now with the new constitution . It is impossible to win the Presidency without Mt Kenya. Ruto put it blanyly in 2013 he had to go to Rift Valley and tell them of we go with Raila or stand alone . Mt Kenya will unite with Luhyas and bag this thing. We have to be in Government.
Now back to the basics . Ruto needs Raila to become President .
Ive said this before when reality comes in just as it was in 1997 Mt Kenyans will vote for Ruto. In 2002 KANUs and Uhuru budget dwarfed NARC but NARC won the elections like KANU never campaigned. Lastly if you note Uhuru is sublimally politicking against Ruto .He is not attacking him directly not even mentioning his name. Kenyan politics since the introduction of Multipartism has been Gema Vs Anti Gema Narrative thinking you can change that by a stroke of pen is being dumb. It took Uhuru 1997 , 2002 and 2007 elections to realise that.
Moi tried to change the narrative he was shown the middle finger in 2002, Mudavadi, Uhuru and Kibaki tried to change that in 2013 it took Ruto and the masses to tell them Uhuru you are not a factor GEMA is a factor.