Kenya US like hospital cartels

[RV Pundit]

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I remember trying to save my father life - thankfully I had a cousin doctor advising me - when to say No. MP shah, Nairobi hospital and Agha khan - you gotta be careful - and accept fate especially for terminal diseases.

I still remember the day I took my father almost totally dead to Mp shah - and doctors say - naah he still got  alot of life - if I can afford.

Basically they can keep you on expensive life supporting machines for as long as you can pay.

Cant breathe - they have tubes. Cant feed- they have glucose and all sort of concoction - cant live - they put you in life support - and pump the blood with machines.

Sometime they insist certain medication can only happen in ICU - coz sijui monitoring - we would tell them no - let try HDU - and they bring tonnes of papers to indemnity themsleves. We would sign them.

You got to say no - prepare the patient and everyone - for death.

The best hospital in kenya is definitely Tenweek  - Those American missionary do not waste time or mince word - they just tell you the truth - go and give your terminal patient home care - and they give a bag of medicine.

Lets not even talk about India hospital cartel...terminal disease is terminal...even if treated..your quality of life would useless. Accept fate.

Nobody get out of this life ALIVE. Youre lucky to even know you fate. My father got three months of bliss. He shared his wealth, fixed all lawyer stuff and became a christian for a few months...and died very peaceful. He accepted his fate. We had zero debt..I spent 3 million Kshs..and my bro 1M shs..the rest insurance.

Personally if I get terminally ill - I'd probably kill myself except if it void my life insurance - and my kids do not get paid. That only thing that can make me wait for my death...if I am lucky to see it coming.

4 weeks in hospital = Ksh 16 million? That is Ksh 4 million per week, around 570k per day. 😭😭 How do these hospitals justify their bills?

— Juma G 🇰🇪 (@jumaf3) October 5, 2021

[GeeMail]

It's ripoff considering the guy died. You're right. Hospital keep patient on life support then one day call you ask if you want to allow person to die. You realize he died long ago. MPs should pass law on ethical hospital things, but monitoring very hard. But Pundit you need not kill yourself. We need MOASS for entertainment and life is not your own but God's. Some people will get out of life alive, those who Christ find alive and faithful when he comes. Get saved and avoid cheap politics relying on frail men who can fall dead any time.

[RV Pundit]

Yes something need to be done. The only help you can get now is through mission hospitals or if you have doctor friend who can tell you the truth. Hospitals are not cartels...most of the fees goes to the doctors...and they just randomly - so called specilaist. They just get called by accountant - how much do I charge this - unaskia 400k - for a 30minute operation. If you negotiate - they bring it down.

Dont be deluded. We are not getting out alive. My only wish is to ensure my kids future are secured when I die. I am no longer afraid of death.

It's ripoff considering the guy died. You're right. Hospital keep patient on life support then one day call you ask if you want to allow person to die. You realize he died long ago. MPs should pass law on ethical hospital things, but monitoring very hard. But Pundit you need not kill yourself. We need MOASS for entertainment and life is not your own but God's. Some people will get out of life alive, those who Christ find alive and faithful when he comes. Get saved and avoid cheap politics relying on frail men who can fall dead any time.

[GeeMail]

I fear guy who is not afraid of death. Rented like Al Kebab can do anything. What fake promise have they given you?

Yes something need to be done. The only help you can get now is through mission hospitals or if you have doctor friend who can tell you the truth. Hospitals are not cartels...most of the fees goes to the doctors...and they just randomly - so called specilaist. They just get called by accountant - how much do I charge this - unaskia 400k - for a 30minute operation. If you negotiate - they bring it down.

Dont be deluded. We are not getting out alive. My only wish is to ensure my kids future are secured when I die. I am no longer afraid of death.

It's ripoff considering the guy died. You're right. Hospital keep patient on life support then one day call you ask if you want to allow person to die. You realize he died long ago. MPs should pass law on ethical hospital things, but monitoring very hard. But Pundit you need not kill yourself. We need MOASS for entertainment and life is not your own but God's. Some people will get out of life alive, those who Christ find alive and faithful when he comes. Get saved and avoid cheap politics relying on frail men who can fall dead any time.

[RV Pundit]

I believe kenya specialist earn so many times over US doctors - all of them drive latest high end vehicles, live in the rundas, and own apartments. On a typical day - some of them can earn a million kshs from two operations.

[GeeMail]

I know few doctors though who are not so bad. Health system and big pharma connected at hips. Vicious and heartless. Look what they do with Covid vaccine hoax and people still come to them. Msiba wa ku jitakia.

[RV Pundit]

You actually think I work for Ruto

I fear guy who is not afraid of death. Rented like Al Kebab can do anything. What fake promise have they given you?

[GeeMail]

You actually think I work for Ruto

I fear guy who is not afraid of death. Rented like Al Kebab can do anything. What fake promise have they given you?

Pro porno you said.

[RV Pundit]

That was my offer to Raila. Ruto has it all figured out. The guy is brilliant strategist. He doesnt need my help at all. I am here to just marvel at his mojo.

Raila need all the help he can find.

Ruto hapana mchezo. See how he is making the entire deep state and system look like babies.

Big Brains+ Big Mouth + Deep pocket + Strong Muscles - you cannot beat that.

Pro porno you said.

[GeeMail]

Am divesting from politrics. I look at Ruto and Raila mere bogeymen for big player elsewhere. We their fools. Hospital cartel probably play both.

[RV Pundit]

My only fear is Raila and my mau investment. Otherwise I am divested from politics. Right now I am watching it closely - if Ruto appears to nick it - I need to go big - Raila has depressed mau forest land prices - it a steal. Some of the land I bought for 50K an acre.

This not Kericho - this is near my lands in Mau. Gideon Moi has new factory and Kulei is finishing one.

Am divesting from politrics. I look at Ruto and Raila mere bogeymen for big player elsewhere. We their fools. Hospital cartel probably play both.

[GeeMail]

https://www.traveliszen.com/stories/2019/root-of-americas-healthcare-problem-is-cartel-pricing

[RV Pundit]

Yes in Kenya someone has to face those doctors - specialist - and confront their crazy bills especially if you're not insured.

[Georgesoros]

Even if youre insured in Kenya there sre no laws that protect the consumer. they can decide to pay 10% of the 2m bill. No politician is even talking about excessive bills that killing Kenyans. 400k in Kisumu for a two hour visit before death is unheard of except in Kenya.

[RV Pundit]

Yes it unregulated. All kenyans think is to fundraise for those bills. Everyone is on some fundraising for some hospital bill. Kenya doctor specialist or doctors will rarely go abroad to look for jobs. They live the life here. They drive big cars, own big apartments and very rich...from excessive billing...mostly ending in doctor fees.

Even if youre insured in Kenya there sre no laws that protect the consumer. they can decide to pay 10% of the 2m bill. No politician is even talking about excessive bills that killing Kenyans. 400k in Kisumu for a two hour visit before death is unheard of except in Kenya.

[Georgesoros]

Yes it unregulated. All kenyans think is to fundraise for those bills. Everyone is on some fundraising for some hospital bill. Kenya doctor specialist or doctors will rarely go abroad to look for jobs. They live the life here. They drive big cars, own big apartments and very rich...from excessive billing...mostly ending in doctor fees.

Even if youre insured in Kenya there sre no laws that protect the consumer. they can decide to pay 10% of the 2m bill. No politician is even talking about excessive bills that killing Kenyans. 400k in Kisumu for a two hour visit before death is unheard of except in Kenya.

Is it doctors or hospitals benefiting?
Me thinks its hospitals.
If it were not for COVID, flying abroad can get you good excellent medical care at half the cost.

[RV Pundit]

Not so much hospitals; it specialist - doctors in kenya with master degrees; hospitals make money when youre in HDU and ICU. Not even best lawyers like the guy who died with16m kshs debt can afford it.

[Arcadian_Dreamer]

Medical sector is horribly broken just like every thing else in this country. Is there anything that works as it should be?

There is rot and corruption in the body politic and society at large. Our predicament almost feels like god's judgement.

What sins have we committed?

Endless suffering, needless cruelty.

[Fairandbalanced]

[RV Pundit]

This kind of cynical attitude is not helpful.

We need to focus on one problem at time - and solve it.

We got a problem with unregulated doctors and lawyers fees in this country.

If you go to hospital - chance of becoming broke is very high. Yesterday I was with guy - he works for IBM and earns 900k kshs - but he is ever broke - says the money go to treat his father who got stroke. He showed me whatsapp groups of medical bills - one group had contributed 1.6M.

Next is lawyers - the quickest way to be auctioned is to take a case to kenya court.

A few laywers and doctors live like kings - better than even politicians - because theirs is legalized corruption.