Of Influx Of Asians Into Kenya

[Nowayhaha]

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[Nowayhaha]

Government of Kenya has PRIVATELY complained to the EMBASSY of Pakistan in Nairobi for the very high number of Pakistanis seen recently loitering while transiting through Kenya to other destinations. Kenya has immediately halted visa free transit for all Pakistanis arriving! pic.twitter.com/l99ZWvYO77

— Lord Abraham Mutai (@ItsMutai) September 29, 2021

[Kadudu]

Those are not tourists. Guys are looking for opporturnities to hang on by all means. Some the Somalies will have competition for dukas since the Pakistanies like Somalies are born traders. Kenya like many other African countries is just another open market to be exploited.

[RV Pundit]

We need them then....such born businessmen makes a country better.

Those are not tourists. Guys are looking for opporturnities to hang on by all means. Some the Somalies will have competition for dukas since the Pakistanies like Somalies are born traders. Kenya like many other African countries is just another open market to be exploited.

[Kadudu]

Wait till they take over all the kiosks in town. Even the hustlers will have nothing to do.

We need them then....such born businessmen makes a country better.

[RV Pundit]

They will hire hustlers - if we did not have wahindi in kenya - we would be far behind

Wait till they take over all the kiosks in town. Even the hustlers will have nothing to do

[Nowayhaha]

What I know it has been a boom business for PCR centers and mostly Airlines and also these " estates "
In July when I landed at JKIA thought their spiritual leader was on tour in Kenya as they usually follow their spiritual leader.

[KenyanPlato]

I think Kenya shouldn't bar them. Just find a way of making sure they leave when they are supposed to and that they have they have a negative covid test before they get in and on their way out

[RV Pundit]

Yeah kenyans are funny people - these pakistani are bringing their own self - spending their own money - and we started getting worried. Look at France for example - Paris receive 20M visitors - if they were to be alarmed by visitors; they wont prosper; we want tourism and investors of any shade;

I think Kenya shouldn't bar them. Just find a way of making sure they leave when they are supposed to and that they have they have a negative covid test before they get in and on their way out

[Arcadian_Dreamer]

Yeah kenyans are funny people - these pakistani are bringing their own self - spending their own money - and we started getting worried. Look at France for example - Paris receive 20M visitors - if they were to be alarmed by visitors; they wont prosper; we want tourism and investors of any shade;

I think Kenya shouldn't bar them. Just find a way of making sure they leave when they are supposed to and that they have they have a negative covid test before they get in and on their way out

Misguided.

They are fronts for drugs, corruption, terrorism, and other ills, Kenya is ill prepared to monitor all of them, no enforcement. We don't have have economic resources to absorb them.

Wananchi shouldn't compete with dirty Asian money.

These are not the industrious Gujaratis or Sikhs who built the Railways.

[RV Pundit]

Nonsense. Those kind of things will happen regardless.
Small Rwanda is doing this - allowing everyone in - bora unajibeba.
If you can come and hack it - in rough kenya - go for it.
These foreigners bring in new dynanism that has helped US.
For me - as long as they are not coming to smooch of any system - welcome them.
Like Kadudu says - Pakistani are also very good business - not as good as Gujarati/Sikh - but generally Pakistani/North Indians/Iranians/Afganis - so call persians - are very good business and progressive people.

Misguided.

They are fronts for drugs, corruption, terrorism, and other ills, Kenya is ill prepared to monitor all of them, no enforcement. We don't have have economic resources to absorb them.

Wananchi shouldn't compete with dirty Asian money.

These are not the industrious Gujaratis or Sikhs who built the Railways.

[Nowayhaha]

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[Arcadian_Dreamer]

Nonsense. Those kind of things will happen regardless.
Small Rwanda is doing this - allowing everyone in - bora unajibeba.
If you can come and hack it - in rough kenya - go for it.
These foreigners bring in new dynanism that has helped US.
For me - as long as they are not coming to smooch of any system - welcome them.
Like Kadudu says - Pakistani are also very good business - not as good as Gujarati/Sikh - but generally Pakistani/North Indians/Iranians/Afganis - so call persians - are very good business and progressive people.

Again you show your naivety. We are sovereign nation, we have immigration rules, we can who we want to reside and work in this country. They abused the transit visa system to sneak into this country illegally. They are unwanted aliens and should be deported.

In functioning country, the government should take into account the voice of its people, most Kenyans overwhelmingly reject the presence of this interlopers. 

What economic dynamism is a kameez salwar wearing lower class Pakistani going to add to the Kenyan economy?

You continue to expose yourself.

[RV Pundit]

Wanakula kwenu?
If they come for period of transit visit, walk around the city, pay their rent or hotels, shida iko wapi.
They are tourist.
If they overstay their visa - then shida.
We are TOO poor to compare our self with Pakistan

Noisy and Nosy Kenyans should realize even if you block foreigns - YOU CANNOT BLOCK GLOBALIZATION.

We will import goods from Pakistani or China....you cannot protect your economy in these days - it almost useless.

We need to welcome all and sundry - be they on 2 week visa or 3 month tourist visa - as long as they are legal - and are surviving on their own - very great.

The landlords and hotels making money from the Pakistani now - are very happy.

We want to get 10M tourist - and yet we are still xenophoic? When Somalis came to Kenya - we had the same reaction - but I bet we are the richer - with the Somalis - than without them.

Nonsense. Those kind of things will happen regardless.
Small Rwanda is doing this - allowing everyone in - bora unajibeba.
If you can come and hack it - in rough kenya - go for it.
These foreigners bring in new dynanism that has helped US.
For me - as long as they are not coming to smooch of any system - welcome them.
Like Kadudu says - Pakistani are also very good business - not as good as Gujarati/Sikh - but generally Pakistani/North Indians/Iranians/Afganis - so call persians - are very good business and progressive people.

Again you show your naivety. We are sovereign nation, we have immigration rules, we can who we want to reside and work in this country. They abused the transit visa system to sneak into this country illegally. They are unwanted aliens and should be deported.

In functioning country, the government should take into account the voice of its people, most Kenyans overwhelmingly reject the presence of this interlopers. 

What economic dynamism is a kameez salwar wearing lower class Pakistani going to add to the Kenyan economy?

You continue to expose yourself.

[Arcadian_Dreamer]

Wanakula kwenu?
If they come for period of transit visit, walk around the city, pay their rent or hotels, shida iko wapi.
They are tourist.
If they overstay their visa - then shida.
We are TOO poor to compare our self with Pakistan

Noisy and Nosy Kenyans should realize even if you block foreigns - YOU CANNOT BLOCK GLOBALIZATION.

The world is headed for deglobalization my fren. There will be reduced interdependence between countries, movement of goods, capital, and services as well as the flow of people between between countries will be diminished. There is strong indication that economic globalization had already reached a peak in the late 2000s to early 2010s. We will increasingly see protectionist policies in the years ahead.

[Nowayhaha]

These people an enroute to Saudia Arabia due to a law requiring them to quarantine for 14 days outside their country of origin. It doenst make sense however if this is correct. Then they should create quarantine camps , cash visa fees which whould then been used to buy vaccines in Kenya.

[Nowayhaha]

Nothing wrong with travellers from red zone countries transiting thro Kenya provided they have visas. Before UK changed Kenya 's status, hundreds of Kenyans did same sojourn thro UAE. It's a income opportunity for our businesses. Let Pakistans be!https://t.co/hKYuz4uSlD

— FCPA Billow Kerrow (@BillowKerrow) October 1, 2021

[RV Pundit]

You are crazy. Internet cannot be bottled. Even if you block physical borders - people will still connect over internet - do business online - study online - globalization just about go started - right now there fintech is unleashing even deeper financial integration.

Social media like facebook/twitter - has coalsced the entire world into few sites - and everyone is talking to everyone.

We are now onto 5Gs - all that infrastructure being laid down - can only mean even deeper globalization.

Covid-19 has accelerated globalization...even with frentic border closure....people are meeting and doing business virtually.

You cannot box globalization - kenya kids are doing homework for american kids for a fee.

The world is headed for deglobalization my fren. There will be reduced interdependence between countries, movement of goods, capital, and services as well as the flow of people between between countries will be diminished. There is strong indication that economic globalization had already reached a peak in the late 2000s to early 2010s. We will increasingly see protectionist policies in the years ahead.

[Arcadian_Dreamer]

You are crazy. Internet cannot be bottled. Even if you block physical borders - people will still connect over internet - do business online - study online - globalization just about go started - right now there fintech is unleashing even deeper financial integration.

Social media like facebook/twitter - has coalsced the entire world into few sites - and everyone is talking to everyone.

We are now onto 5Gs - all that infrastructure being laid down - can only mean even deeper globalization.

Covid-19 has accelerated globalization...even with frentic border closure....people are meeting and doing business virtually.

You cannot box globalization - kenya kids are doing homework for american kids for a fee.

Or Yes it can be bottled.

We are already seeing the bifurcation of the internet. Your favorite authoritarian government - China has an entirely different ecosystem hidden behind its censorship program called the Great Firewall.

Russia prepared and tested detaching domestic networks from the global internet, they want to set up a China-style internet filtering system.

Covid 19 has accelerated deglobalization and reshoring - returning the production and manufacturing of goods back to the company's original country. Hence the current shortages of everything in the States right now.

Germany has a long term strategy for being self sufficient in PPE, Britain likewise and France.

The world is busy building fences, literally, Trump was just riding the wave of xenophobia and insularity bursting forth.

Ironically the more connected the world has become the more fragmented and polarized.

The current hyperconnected world is transitory, normal order will return.

[RV Pundit]

Which sectors can you really control?
Primary - agriculture - even with border closure - kenya vegies and flowers were flown.
Secondary - industries - maybe? You can get out WTO but everyone is joining some free trade area - Africa just unleashed the biggest/EUs/name them - unlike previously - you can go amazon or ebay or alibaba - buy any product from anywhere - and it get shipped to you - taxes and all that.
Tertiary -services - cannot be boxed- many of them are becoming digital

The thing you need to understand is that gov can stop people across border from talking;
Once we talk; we can do business, marry, visit each other, name it.

Social media/internet continues to make the world very tiny - and make a joke of gov efforts to enforce physical border.

As for internet - VPN and such - make a big joke of any attempt to control internet.

The world just breezed through COVID pandemics like nothing happened thanks to internet.

People worked from home, court cases were heard online, people made payment online or through mobile, ordered food/shopping/beer online, went to school online including universities abroad, got entertained online, attended events online, basically apart from few critical services like hospitals, life continued almost as always.

Globalization cannot be bottled. It's new world.

Ironically the more connected the world has become the more fragmented and polarized.

The current hyperconnected world is transitory, normal order will return.