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Martha Karua - spokesperson for small mt kenya parties
« on: September 20, 2021, 04:11:24 PM »
Huge progress; Now at least they have united negotiating front.

A section of Mt Kenya leaders led by MP. Moses Kuria have endorsed Martha Karua as their defacto spokesperson in Naivasha.

DOWNGRADING KIUNJURI - from 25% to 12%

Increasing Martha Karua stock to 12%

Now DPORK pick for Ruto - Gachagua, Wahome, Muturi, Kiunjuri and Martha. Prof Kindiki has remote chance.


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Re: Martha Karua - spokesperson for small mt kenya parties
« Reply #1 on: September 20, 2021, 04:29:42 PM »
Look like they are serious! All the heavyweights in do or die duel with Ruto.
https://www.facebook.com/moses.kuria.140/videos/1224498471380069/

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Re: Martha Karua - spokesperson for small mt kenya parties
« Reply #2 on: September 20, 2021, 04:38:56 PM »

Heavyweight , Define Heavy weight .....
Martha although with rich history has made 2 fatal blunders im the past. Unlike Uhuru who could use his cheddah to bounce back Martha lacks the bags
Kabogo -Isnt considered as a serious person .
Moses Kuria  will be singing another song next week.
Bottom line they cant sway the masses. The masses have one goal.Unless they calibrate themselves amd realise what the masses want these Naivasha , Limuru talks wont go anywhere.

Look like they are serious! All the heavyweights in do or die duel with Ruto.
https://www.facebook.com/moses.kuria.140/videos/1224498471380069/

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Re: Martha Karua - spokesperson for small mt kenya parties
« Reply #3 on: September 20, 2021, 04:42:22 PM »
If they unite; Ruto will have to negotiate with them; But let see if they can unite and last until April. That is when real negotiation will start.

If they go to Raila - they are done.

If they start alone - they will be listen to...by at least Kikuyus....but look like Merus/Embus are not in.


Heavyweight , Define Heavy weight .....
Martha although with rich history has made 2 fatal blunders im the past. Unlike Uhuru who could use his cheddah to bounce back Martha lacks the bags
Kabogo -Isnt considered as a serious person .
Moses Kuria  will be singing another song next week.
Bottom line they cant sway the masses. The masses have one goal.Unless they calibrate themselves amd realise what the masses want these Naivasha , Limuru talks wont go anywhere.

Look like they are serious! All the heavyweights in do or die duel with Ruto.
https://www.facebook.com/moses.kuria.140/videos/1224498471380069/

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Re: Martha Karua - spokesperson for small mt kenya parties
« Reply #4 on: September 20, 2021, 04:57:06 PM »

Politics does not work out like that especially in Mt Kenya. You go where the people are and not vice versa. In 2013 Uhuru learnt ot the hard way. Mt Kenyans told him it either you or never. Just like they chose colinialist as their enemy until they vanquished him they chose Moi until they defeated him in 2002 now they are on Raila . Its something to do with Psyche . Once Raila is out of the way they will identify another .


If they unite; Ruto will have to negotiate with them; But let see if they can unite and last until April. That is when real negotiation will start.

If they go to Raila - they are done.

If they start alone - they will be listen to...by at least Kikuyus....but look like Merus/Embus are not in.


Heavyweight , Define Heavy weight .....
Martha although with rich history has made 2 fatal blunders im the past. Unlike Uhuru who could use his cheddah to bounce back Martha lacks the bags
Kabogo -Isnt considered as a serious person .
Moses Kuria  will be singing another song next week.
Bottom line they cant sway the masses. The masses have one goal.Unless they calibrate themselves amd realise what the masses want these Naivasha , Limuru talks wont go anywhere.

Look like they are serious! All the heavyweights in do or die duel with Ruto.
https://www.facebook.com/moses.kuria.140/videos/1224498471380069/

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Re: Martha Karua - spokesperson for small mt kenya parties
« Reply #5 on: September 20, 2021, 05:31:39 PM »
You dont suppose they wont get a hearing; Yes majority will go UDA: but if they can get 30 percent; that is good negotiation point; As long as they stay away from Uhuru and Raila; they are fine.

The kiss of death is Raila.

But if they stick together and insist on coalition with Hustler Nation - Ruto will budge

So anyway also after April 2022 - there will be some serious UDA fallout from nomination - and these small parties and independent candidature will be alternatives.

So ultimately if they play for long term, avoid Jakom and then come April, Ruto will be negotiating from a weaker point.

For now Ruto and UDA are strong.

Ruto need 70 percent of GEMA - to nick it - 60 percent if he can get Wetangula's Bukusu to play ball - 50 percent if he get MaDVD - and 40 percent if he gets Kalonzo.

This simple maths of 56 (assuming Ruto has improved Jubilee 1.0) - minus GEMA (28 percent) - which give's Ruto's base...roughly 28 percent.
If Ruto get half of Mt kenya - he moves to 42 percent.
So you need a Kalonzo to bring 8 percent to get to 50 percent.

Politics does not work out like that especially in Mt Kenya. You go where the people are and not vice versa. In 2013 Uhuru learnt ot the hard way. Mt Kenyans told him it either you or never. Just like they chose colinialist as their enemy until they vanquished him they chose Moi until they defeated him in 2002 now they are on Raila . Its something to do with Psyche . Once Raila is out of the way they will identify another .

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Re: Martha Karua - spokesperson for small mt kenya parties
« Reply #6 on: September 20, 2021, 07:04:41 PM »

There has been a siege mentality since 2003 againsy Raila. If they dont play that tune , which as you can see is even making Wanjigi get some limelight , they wont get any traction.

If these politicians want to snatch 30% from Ruto the trick is to pit  Kiambu vs Muranga and Nyeri. Kiambu might decide to spite Muranga and Nyeri . This happened in 1992, 1997 and 2002. Kiambi being the most populous county any % gotten from there can be substantial. But then again you have Kabogo and Kuria as the leadmen. One of these fine days you will see Kuria throwing a tweet against Kabogo and a war between them will erupt.
Moses Kurias objective is to become a CS , sponsor a fringe party get some Mps here and there then negotiate. The problem of this tactic like Kiunjuri in 2013 you might lose the big seats and  only get 2 MCA seats then political career come to an end.
Most of the times its good to be consistent. Ruto faught Raila for 5 years then just before 2013 elections Raila called a meeting to negotiate. Ruto asked for time to go and consult when he reached his advisors both in Mashinani and in politics he was told it will be very hard to go to the same people you were telling Raila betrayed you and tell them to vote for him. Kurias lack of constitency will be his undoing . Look at Gachagua amd Ndindi Nyoro they look very credible because they have stuck to one message for all those years the Hustler Nation message. Now Kangatas flipflop has cost his credibility he is always picked on by opponents, He doesnt look strong. Gachagua went from being Governors Brother to DP contender simply for talking the same language all through.

If you want to know UDA is deep rooted just check what SK Machatia said the other day , Wanjigi reteriated the same the day before yesterday saying Mt Kenya is the Dynasty tribe so fighting dynasty is fighting themselves.



You dont suppose they wont get a hearing; Yes majority will go UDA: but if they can get 30 percent; that is good negotiation point; As long as they stay away from Uhuru and Raila; they are fine.

The kiss of death is Raila.

But if they stick together and insist on coalition with Hustler Nation - Ruto will budge

So anyway also after April 2022 - there will be some serious UDA fallout from nomination - and these small parties and independent candidature will be alternatives.

So ultimately if they play for long term, avoid Jakom and then come April, Ruto will be negotiating from a weaker point.

For now Ruto and UDA are strong.

Ruto need 70 percent of GEMA - to nick it - 60 percent if he can get Wetangula's Bukusu to play ball - 50 percent if he get MaDVD - and 40 percent if he gets Kalonzo.

This simple maths of 56 (assuming Ruto has improved Jubilee 1.0) - minus GEMA (28 percent) - which give's Ruto's base...roughly 28 percent.
If Ruto get half of Mt kenya - he moves to 42 percent.
So you need a Kalonzo to bring 8 percent to get to 50 percent.

Politics does not work out like that especially in Mt Kenya. You go where the people are and not vice versa. In 2013 Uhuru learnt ot the hard way. Mt Kenyans told him it either you or never. Just like they chose colinialist as their enemy until they vanquished him they chose Moi until they defeated him in 2002 now they are on Raila . Its something to do with Psyche . Once Raila is out of the way they will identify another .

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Re: Martha Karua - spokesperson for small mt kenya parties
« Reply #7 on: September 20, 2021, 09:14:10 PM »
Without taking on ufool and raila they should concentrate on governorship seats. Martha Karua choice is quite telling. Or her kikuyu nationalist credentials are tops?

No one wants to take on ufool. They still believe he has some magic key to Gema votes.

Muturi's overtures are quite a surprise. Attacking ufool! Never saw that coming. Good thing he is staying away from these water melons.
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Re: Martha Karua - spokesperson for small mt kenya parties
« Reply #8 on: September 20, 2021, 10:18:21 PM »
Yes until they attack Ufool and Raila - UDA is not competing with anyone. If they try kati-kati moves- they will go nowhere. They have to decide.
Without taking on ufool and raila they should concentrate on governorship seats. Martha Karua choice is quite telling. Or her kikuyu nationalist credentials are tops?

No one wants to take on ufool. They still believe he has some magic key to Gema votes.

Muturi's overtures are quite a surprise. Attacking ufool! Never saw that coming. Good thing he is staying away from these water melons.