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Re: Ruto the archpropagandist
« Reply #60 on: September 02, 2021, 08:16:17 AM »
And if an incident like below happens Matiangi will be answerable


https://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-40767494

Kenyan police say they have shot dead an attacker who forced his way into the rural home of Kenya's Deputy President William Ruto, ending a siege that lasted several hours.

Mr Ruto and his family were not at the compound near the western city of Eldoret at the time.

The man had entered the residence after injuring a police guard with a machete and stealing his gun, police said.

The incident comes days before Kenya holds presidential elections.




You can bet this is the last time Ruto will bark about security

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Re: Ruto the archpropagandist
« Reply #61 on: September 02, 2021, 10:02:49 AM »


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Re: Ruto the archpropagandist
« Reply #62 on: September 02, 2021, 11:37:30 AM »
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Re: Ruto the archpropagandist
« Reply #63 on: September 02, 2021, 11:56:31 AM »
This conversation that should be had. Obviously desperados think revealing Ruto wealth will damage Hustler Versus Dynasty propaganda. Everyone knows Ruto is rich - he doesn't hide his wealth - he flaunt it - throwing money in harambees and churches. Dynasty doesn't mean a rich man - it simply mean a person born into wealth.

But privisation of Kenya police to guard private property is more worthwhile debate.



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Re: Ruto the archpropagandist
« Reply #64 on: September 02, 2021, 12:07:48 PM »
Anybody can now throw figures around. What makes you believe David Makali?
At least Fred Matiang'i is the Interior CS and spoke before parliament.



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Re: Ruto the archpropagandist
« Reply #65 on: September 02, 2021, 12:15:32 PM »
Because I am blessed with photographic memory - let me help you. Ruto 257 is a drop in the ocean of misuse of kenya police to guard private properties.


There are 12,000 officers assigned to various VIPs in various capacities. Some are stationed at the gates of properties owned by the VIPs, even in places where the owners hardly ever visit.
https://www.standardmedia.co.ke/kenya/article/2001279719/matiang-i-to-halve-vip-protection

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Anybody can now throw figures around. What makes you believe David Makali?
At least Fred Matiang'i is the Interior CS and spoke before parliament.

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Re: Ruto the archpropagandist
« Reply #66 on: September 02, 2021, 12:20:45 PM »
If Ruto believe in bottom up - the 12,000 police officer guarding a few dynasties - should be the starting point - and Matiangi should be asked what happened to his promise to reduce VIP protection from 12k to 7K?

He himself should begin by releasing all police officers except those guarding his homes - in Eldoret, Taita Taveta and Nairobi.

I am sure Weston or Dolphin hotel can afford to hire police for 700shs if they need one.

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Re: Ruto the archpropagandist
« Reply #67 on: September 02, 2021, 12:21:32 PM »
Even the idea of MPs having public funded bodyguards is a big joke. The MPs as the people's representatives should feel the heat on the ground in case there is any insecurity in the country. Public funded security should be limited to a small number of officials or those thought to be under any threat.
In most countries even ordinary members of the public can get police protection in case there is a real threat to their lives.

Because I am blessed with photographic memory - let me help you. Ruto 257 is a drop in the ocean of misuse of kenya police to guard private properties.

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Re: Ruto the archpropagandist
« Reply #68 on: September 02, 2021, 12:24:42 PM »
It's outrageous to have 12,000 police officers guarding few individuals, their private property and their girlfriends.

This is where real outrage is needed...I hope this debate continues...and somehow all VIPS protections are released.

Obviously they wont. Some the privatization of publicly funded police continues

12K times 500usd a month in total cost of a police officer is a lot of money - 72M dollars. That is roughly 10B kshs annually spend to guard maybe 400 people.

This is why these people will die to be in gov - even if they are in opposition - they will sell their mother - because there is just TOO MANY privelleges in being a politician connected to gov.

Even the idea of MPs having public funded bodyguards is a big joke. The MPs as the people's representatives should feel the heat on the ground in case there is any insecurity in the country. Public funded security should be limited to a small number of officials or those thought to be under any threat.
In most countries even ordinary members of the public can get police protection in case there is a real threat to their lives.

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Re: Ruto the archpropagandist
« Reply #69 on: September 02, 2021, 03:03:01 PM »
Ruto answer Matiangi - refuse ADC Muratara farm in Laikipia - but accept the rest.

https://www.facebook.com/nancy.akinyi.7165331/videos/239838748064351/

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Re: Ruto the archpropagandist
« Reply #70 on: September 02, 2021, 03:11:07 PM »
Even the idea of MPs having public funded bodyguards is a big joke. The MPs as the people's representatives should feel the heat on the ground in case there is any insecurity in the country. Public funded security should be limited to a small number of officials or those thought to be under any threat.
In most countries even ordinary members of the public can get police protection in case there is a real threat to their lives.

Because I am blessed with photographic memory - let me help you. Ruto 257 is a drop in the ocean of misuse of kenya police to guard private properties.

That's where this comversation should go. Why should people's representatives fear the same people so much?
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Re: Ruto the archpropagandist
« Reply #71 on: September 02, 2021, 03:11:56 PM »
Ruto answer Matiangi - refuse ADC Muratara farm in Laikipia - but accept the rest.

https://www.facebook.com/nancy.akinyi.7165331/videos/239838748064351/

Why are police guarding Weston? Do they fear it will be grabbed back?
Celebratory violence: 2017 crime invented to justify killings to prevent Raila from becoming PORK. http://www.nipate.com/download/file.php?id=4244

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Re: Ruto the archpropagandist
« Reply #72 on: September 02, 2021, 03:16:38 PM »
Who knows?It the police to tell us how they arrived at such a decision. It very bizzare. Unless Ruto has a private office there...then it make sense. As far as I know - it make sense to guard PORK and DPORK residences - and provide them with proper security - including their families. Then Chief Justice, judges and Speakers of parliament. Then governors and deputy governors.

The rest need to justify why they need security.

I think parliament need to pass VIP protection law - to codify some common sense into who can and cannot get police and APs.

Why are police guarding Weston? Do they fear it will be grabbed back?

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Re: Ruto the archpropagandist
« Reply #73 on: September 02, 2021, 03:34:53 PM »
They fear those stone throwing residents of Kibera. :D :D :D

Why are police guarding Weston? Do they fear it will be grabbed back?

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Re: Ruto the archpropagandist
« Reply #74 on: September 02, 2021, 03:43:34 PM »

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« Reply #75 on: September 02, 2021, 03:46:28 PM »
Celebratory violence: 2017 crime invented to justify killings to prevent Raila from becoming PORK. http://www.nipate.com/download/file.php?id=4244

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Re: Ruto the archpropagandist
« Reply #76 on: September 02, 2021, 03:49:23 PM »
Ruto answer Matiangi - refuse ADC Muratara farm in Laikipia - but accept the rest.

https://www.facebook.com/nancy.akinyi.7165331/videos/239838748064351/

He denied Weston was his so...

If Mutara is private property, trust the owner to be a shell company whose shareholders are shell companies whose directors are shell companies incorporated.in Caymans Islands
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Re: Ruto the archpropagandist
« Reply #77 on: September 02, 2021, 03:50:46 PM »
This one will be revisited, you can almost be sure. Can be very costly, no wonder the man is rattled.
Celebratory violence: 2017 crime invented to justify killings to prevent Raila from becoming PORK. http://www.nipate.com/download/file.php?id=4244

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Re: Ruto the archpropagandist
« Reply #78 on: September 02, 2021, 04:02:21 PM »
It's upon Matiangi to reply - with LRC numbers. But he is not a politician so Ruto will undo his propaganda by claiming he sold chicken and bought the land.

His chicken business empire makes 500M per annum in revenues. If the gross profit is 200m per annum - and with bank loan - then he can buy Taita Criticos land - where an acre if 100k.

He denied Weston was his so...

If Mutara is private property, trust the owner to be a shell company whose shareholders are shell companies whose directors are shell companies incorporated.in Caymans Islands

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Re: Ruto the archpropagandist
« Reply #79 on: September 02, 2021, 04:05:12 PM »
Uhuru has to release any corruption dossier he has on Ruto - with proper facts - otherwise Ruto can claim his chickens have made him rich.
If there is just a long list of what Ruto own - without evidence of what he stole - then only ARA can be sent to him - and if he cannot explain - he will lose his wealth.

Can Uhuru send ARA to Ruto? And well knowing Ruto all his properties are normally in debt - Weston took a 1.2B kshs loan from KCB. If you take weston down - KCB is one going down. This is his modus operandi.

https://www.businessdailyafrica.com/bd/news/kcb-discloses-sh1-2bn-loan-in-weston-hotel-land-dispute-2274208

This one will be revisited, you can almost be sure. Can be very costly, no wonder the man is rattled.