Kiunjuri sets 1M1V1S irreducible minimum for Mt Kenya foreigners

[Nefertiti]

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Kiunjuri sets irreducible minimums for Mt Kenya suitors

https://www.the-star.co.ke/news/2021-08-27-kiunjuri-sets-irreducible-minimums-for-mt-kenya-suitors/

[RV Pundit]

Nobody listening to him. This guy is issuing empty threats in a room full of political din.

If he really want people to listen to him - let him join Raila or Uhuru - and he will become serious news.

Or at least assemble large number of mt kenya leaders enough for Ruto to notice.

Kiunjuri and TSP has been one misadventure..not a single MP or MCA...and you're threatening someone with majority of people and it's leaders.

For now until the battle btw Uhuru and Ruto is resolved in Mt kenya - I think Uhuru has made one more last ditch effort - Kiunjuri is irrelevant.

[Nefertiti]

You underrate these guys thinking they will foolishly join Uhuru. Surrender. They are hustler nation co-founders - they will invent and forment grievances just as they did in Jubilee. The 1M1V1S is BBI language. The "right to own property" is diaspora.

Their interests with Ruto are misaligned - they have the same base. Hustler nation will split.

[RV Pundit]

If Kiunjuri and Kuria walk out - from hustler nation - to abyss - it wont affect it. Hustler Nation is ground up movement. It's like ODM of them days. You need it. It doesn't need you.

For many in Mt kenya they are just out 20yr fatigue of power - and care less about power - you have people who hate a sitting president already and you're going round selling DPORK

They better listen to Ruto - and sell hustler nation ideals - and eventually make a deal in April. Ruto is gentleman - and Mt kenya will get 50 percent - and will be real shareholders.

Kiunjuri is upping his stake for DPORK and coalition but sioni  - he might get DPORK but TSP will not get 50-50 coalition with UDA - he still the guy to beat - if Munya stops killing him with reforms in kilimo house that are paying off.

He is the tallest of them dwarfs in Mt kenya - but he better become a team player - Alice Wahome might knick it - she is clean and a woman and a fighter and from Muranga. I think Kiambu-Nyeri are out of consideration. It's either kiunjuri from diaspora or Muranga person.

You underrate these guys thinking they will foolishly join Uhuru. Surrender. They are hustler nation co-founders - they will invent and forment grievances just as they did in Jubilee. The 1M1V1S is BBI language. The "right to own property" is diaspora.

Their interests with Ruto are misaligned - they have the same base. Hustler nation will split.

[Nefertiti]

These guys are not fools - Kiunjuri, Kuria - they were the main drivers of anti-Uhuru, anti-dynaty narrative. Kiunjuri had to be fired after insisting Uhuruto deal be honored. Kuria would erupt with issues claming GoK neglect.

Give them credit.

They will not call press and "defect" from hustler nation... they will split it. Raising 1M1V and property rights is directly playing tribal card. By the time you have a new by-election - UDA will be facing TSP or PEP battle for the same base.

These guys are not late. If they play their cards right they can even inherit the Uhuru vote Ruto has failed to nail - and consolidate Gema. Of course it good move for them - relying on "Ruto is a gentleman" is really naive. They should corner him like they are doing.

If you struggled against Uhuru try these guys.

If Kiunjuri and Kuria walk out - from hustler nation - to abyss - it wont affect it. Hustler Nation is ground up movement. It's like ODM of them days. You need it. It doesn't need you.

For many in Mt kenya they are just out 20yr fatigue of power - and care less about power - you have people who hate a sitting president already and you're going round selling DPORK

They better listen to Ruto - and sell hustler nation ideals - and eventually make a deal in April. Ruto is gentleman - and Mt kenya will get 50 percent - and will be real shareholders.

Kiunjuri is upping his stake for DPORK and coalition but sioni  - he might get DPORK but TSP will not get 50-50 coalition with UDA - he still the guy to beat - if Munya stops killing him with reforms in kilimo house that are paying off.

He is the tallest of them dwarfs in Mt kenya - but he better become a team player - Alice Wahome might knick it - she is clean and a woman and a fighter and from Muranga. I think Kiambu-Nyeri are out of consideration. It's either kiunjuri from diaspora or Muranga person.

[Nefertiti]

Pundit if there is a by-election in Laikipia do you think Ruto will be arrogant or step down for TSP? Risk losing to Jubilee or let Kiunjuri take it.

[RV Pundit]

Let me teach you politics before you have me banned.
Kikuyu is great community with great leaders.
That Kiunjuri and Kuria are leading lights is reflection of how they've gone down under Uhuru
Uhuru was of course was kalenjin trojan horse - a mlevi that could sell in Mt kenya because Jomo kenyatta is hero in Kikuyu folkflore.
Kalenjin lead by Ruto - would run the gov - like they did in Jubilee 1.0.
This they told kalenjin in 2002. As kalenjin wondered how can have theirr mortal enemy as head of ticket. Dont worry about Mlevi. He will drink- we will run gov. This I heard verbatim in 2002 election.
But to imagine the likes of Ken Matiba or Kibaki - would even be compared to Uhuru.
Now Uhuru had pedigree. But he is not Jomo, or Matiba or Kibaki. Those were leaders of great talents.
Now these two..Kuria and Kiunjuri...kikuyus can only support them holding their nose.

To compare for example any of those jokes to someone like WSR like a big joke.
WSR ticks almost all boxes - brilliant, orator, wealthy, hardworking, leader, name it.
WSR can chew them and spit them...10 times in a row.

Now the question facing Mt kenya is simple in 2022 - they are approaching 2022 in weaken position.

If they were as strategic as kalenjin - this time to withdrew - to pull back

If you're a reckless luo - you only have one strategy - forward ever - it doesnt matter - if you're so exposed like a  sitting duck!

I believe in Kenya - Kikuyu and Kalenjin - are very strategic communities.

They know when to go forward and when to go backward.

Kalenjin are very excellent in this

These guys are not fools - Kiunjuri, Kuria - they were the main drivers of anti-Uhuru, anti-dynaty narrative. Kiunjuri had to be fired after insisting Uhuruto deal be honored. Kuria would erupt with issues claming GoK neglect.

Give them credit.

They will not call press and "defect" from hustler nation... they will split it. Raising 1M1V and property rights is directly playing tribal card. By the time you have a new by-election - UDA will be facing TSP or PEP battle for the same base.

These guys are not late. If they play their cards right they can even inherit the Uhuru vote Ruto has failed to nail - and consolidate Gema. Of course it good move for them - relying on "Ruto is a gentleman" is really naive. They should corner him like they are doing.

If you struggled against Uhuru try these guys.

[Nefertiti]

Ruto has never scored any Mt Kenya votes - unless you mean Kiambaa where Kuria STEPPED DOWN for him. Running alone or as head of ticket is quite different from hiding behind Uhuru.

It's crunch time... even Kindiki insists it's coalition or nothing. Noone trusts your guy - sijui gentleman. They are all citing Uhuru betrayal as prime reason they must have a coalition 

RUTO WILL NOT WIN THIS FIGHT.

DP Mt Kenya allies insist on coalition
https://nation.africa/kenya/news/politics/dp-ruto-s-mt-kenya-allies-insist-on-formation-of-a-coalition-3528986

[Nefertiti]

[Nefertiti]

Former Tharaka-Nithi governor Samuel Ragwa also said only a coalition government will accommodate the views and interests of all regions. He said DP Ruto should be the first person to advocate for a coalition government having witnessed the persecution of his political allies in Parliament.

[Nefertiti]

In short Herman Manyora was right: these guys pocketed Ruto cash for 3 years and now want to dump him. If he fights them he will lose and be left with a handful of Ndindi Nyoros. Once they edge out UDA - they will call Limuru 3 and demand an arm & a leg akin to URP in 2013.

[RV Pundit]

Okay we shall see - Manyora is dyed in the wool ODMoron. Mutahi is a paid propagadist - who long lost it.

In short Herman Manyora was right: these guys pocketed Ruto cash for 3 years and now want to dump him. If he fights them he will lose and be left with a handful of Ndindi Nyoros. Once they edge out UDA - they will call Limuru 3 and demand an arm & a leg akin to URP in 2013.

[RV Pundit]

UDA is on in Meru by-election. Ruto will not allow UDA momentum to go down. All these guys are riding on Ruto coattails. The Mt Kenya people want Ruto direct - not through brokers.

Power concede nothing. Ruto will not allow small parties to stop UDA national momentum.

Now after UDA nomination - Ruto will change tune - and support coalitions. So the TSP, and the likes should concentrate on their game - sell Hustler Nation - and Ruto - and reap from UDA nomination mess.

The same way Jubilee eventually entered a coalition with PDP - the party of Northern Kenya - now rebranded UDA.

Ruto only need to tell UDA folks not to attack Kiunjuri and Kuria - Gachagua has to restrain himself - cooperate with them - but everyone should sell their party.

Of course Ruto will also call them privately to assue them - that for political reasons - talking coalition now is becoming OKA - and in politics you need to differentiate your product

Ruto has never scored any Mt Kenya votes - unless you mean Kiambaa where Kuria STEPPED DOWN for him. Running alone or as head of ticket is quite different from hiding behind Uhuru.

It's crunch time... even Kindiki insists it's coalition or nothing. Noone trusts your guy - sijui gentleman. They are all citing Uhuru betrayal as prime reason they must have a coalition 

RUTO WILL NOT WIN THIS FIGHT.

DP Mt Kenya allies insist on coalition
https://nation.africa/kenya/news/politics/dp-ruto-s-mt-kenya-allies-insist-on-formation-of-a-coalition-3528986

[Nefertiti]

You shoud reflect and not dismiss likes of Manyora off-the-cuff. They are whole college professors with Makau Mutua and Mutahi Ngunyi. Manyora predictions are unfolding as we watch.

Okay we shall see

In short Herman Manyora was right: these guys pocketed Ruto cash for 3 years and now want to dump him. If he fights them he will lose and be left with a handful of Ndindi Nyoros. Once they edge out UDA - they will call Limuru 3 and demand an arm & a leg akin to URP in 2013.

[Nefertiti]

We will see. Meru is mere MCA by-election - maybe they face off with Muturi party.

Gema is not NFD - it 10X the headcount. Kuria and Kiunjuri best shot is now and they know it. If you have a by-election in Central now - say Laikipia - TSP will field and Ruto will have to decide who is the worse enemy - Kiunjuri or Jubilee.

The problem of course is once TSP takes say Laikipia - the fire quickly spread to Nyeri, Kirinyaga - and you find Cate Waruguru now defecting to TSP from Jubilee.

Kiunjuri and Kuria will easily consolidate Gema - which is difficult for Ruto.

UDA is on in Meru by-election. Ruto will not allow UDA momentum to go down. All these guys are riding on Ruto coattails. The Mt Kenya people want Ruto direct - not through brokers.

Power concede nothing. Ruto will not allow small parties to stop UDA national momentum.

Now after UDA nomination - Ruto will change tune - and support coalitions. So the TSP, and the likes should concentrate on their game - sell Hustler Nation - and Ruto - and reap from UDA nomination mess.

The same way Jubilee eventually entered a coalition with PDP - the party of Northern Kenya - now rebranded UDA.

Ruto only need to tell UDA folks not to attack Kiunjuri and Kuria - Gachagua has to restrain himself - cooperate with them - but everyone should sell their party.

Of course Ruto will also call them privately to assue them - that for political reasons - talking coalition now is becoming OKA - and in politics you need to differentiate your product

[RV Pundit]

Exactly why RUTO will not allow his HARD WORK and BILLIONS invested in GEMA to go to waste. He has to bring the cows home through UDA.

Let Kiunjuri and Kuria spend their money, hardwork and patience to woo mt kenya to their parties. Kiunjuri kwanza should spend at least 100M to buy 2 mps and 10 Mcas - he only has former Kiambu MCA - thakwa or something.

Ruto has spend a decade in Mt kenya and is now harvesting...I can bet Ruto personal investment there runs into billions kshs...having those Mps and Mcas...some on almost weekly retainer is not cheap.

After beating Uhuru - who is Kuria or Kiunjuri.

Those guys cannot dare go against hustler nation because the ground will kick them. Therefore they will sing Hustler Nation and Ruto.

Ruto has not blocked anyone from campaign for Hustler Nation - but UDA will be the primary party.

Kiunjuri will come and negotiate something - huko April. Kuria took will negotiate something. For now Mt kenya is split into so many factions - if Ruto open the floodgate - it will be chaos.

UDA therefore better if it concentrate it's effort directly selling RUto - and then April-May - based on how data will look like - Ruto will negotiate with GEMA and NON-GEMA.

Who knows maybe by - Ruto will be at 70 percent and will indeed no need a coalition

The problem of course is once TSP takes say Laikipia - the fire quickly spread to Nyeri, Kirinyaga - and you find Cate Waruguru now defecting to TSP from Jubilee.

[Nefertiti]

So long as you remember Ruto is Kalenjin. If it go down to the wire.. you will see why he used Kuria, Gachagua, Kiunjuri and not take on Uhuru directly in the first place.

It more likely - Robina's prediction - Ruto will chicken and back off Kikuyuland. (I don't see a deal with Muturi who is too obviously Uhuru poodle). Ruto will allow TSP, PEP to run local show in Kikuyuland - and HOPE they don't go for highest bidder in 11th hour.

In few months.

[RV Pundit]

Ruto long ceased being a kalenjin - he is a national leader. Gideon Moi is a kalenjin - not even a Tugen leader. Raila was once a national leader - but Uhuru in his byzantine plan has reduced him to Luo Leader. Moi was once a national leader.

Ruto has direct support of people across kenya. Tough luck taking him back to Kalenjin Nation.

Mt Kenya - Kikuyu-Meru-Embu - UDA is the party to beat - the rest are on the edges - pleading for mercy . Siasa haina mercy. Power concede nothing.

My advice for them - either join UDA now or wait for party nomination - lots of UDA folks will be looking for Hustler Nation friendly parties - and negotiate something in May-June.

For now they can attack Gachagau or iron lady from Muranga - but they dare not attack Hustler Nation or Ruto - they know people want HASOLA and WIRROBARRO!

So long as you remember Ruto is Kalenjin. If it go down to the wire.. you will see why he used Kuria, Gachagua, Kiunjuri and not take on Uhuru directly in the first place.

It more likely - Robina's prediction - Ruto will chicken and back off Kikuyuland. (I don't see a deal with Muturi who is too obviously Uhuru poodle). Ruto will allow TSP, PEP to run local show in Kikuyuland - and HOPE they don't go for highest bidder in 11th hour.

In few months.

[Nefertiti]

Ati Ruto long stopped being Kalenjin. When was that? Can UDA run against Wiper in Kamba? When he attacks Uhuru directly and scathingly as he attacks Raila - then we are prepared to believe you anytime.

Even Raila is Luo... he need coalitions. You always mock ODM as Luo party... while drawing false equivalent to dead Jubilee... or worse UDA with 1MP. Ruto "national" party is mere few months old tayari shida kubwa. You will soon appreciate Raila leadership. Even Kalonzo is a better party leader than Ruto.

Anyway when the real Tangatanga war starts - haha - we will see about Ruto tribe. There is nothing national about Ruto leadership.

[RV Pundit]

Ruto is national leader - kalenjin are part of kenyan nation - but clearly Ruto even by 2013 - URP party had significant support from pastoralist - now based on opinion polls he is at 50 percent - and MOAS has him at 53 percent.

MaDVD is a sub-luhya nation leader. Kalonzo is Kamba nation leader. These are facts.It doesnt mean Ruto has to win everywhere - then he will become Kagame who wins with 98 percent. I believe in 2027 - Ruto will get near there.
We have by-election in Makueni - it's Wiper versus UDA. If we have any election in kenya - it will be UDA versus some tribal party.

Raila once had roughly half kenya - and now would be about jubilee 170mps - now as we speak he has 62 mps - 40 mps from Luos and 20 Mps from Mijikenda. Now Mijikenda are leaving him. That mean he is becoming a Luo leader. Those are just facts. Next election I see ODM struggling to get 40Mps.

In 10th parliament - it was 105 out of 210 mps.
In 11th parliament - it was 96mps out of 350 - Ruto took off with 78mps
In 12th parliament - it down to 62mps - Ruto took off another 30mps almost.

Now Ruto and Kingi - are circicling the remaining last non-luo bastion of ODM - at the coast

13th parliament - 35 Mps - he will lose some in Luo Nyanza if he mismanage ODM.

Facts are so stubborn - even if you have me banned

Ati Ruto long stopped being Kalenjin. When was that? Can UDA run against Wiper in Kamba? When he attacks Uhuru directly and scathingly as he attacks Raila - then we are prepared to believe you anytime.

Even Raila is Luo... he need coalitions. You always mock ODM as Luo party... while drawing false equivalent to dead Jubilee... or worse UDA with 1MP. Ruto "national" party is mere few months old tayari shida kubwa. You will soon appreciate Raila leadership. Even Kalonzo is a better party leader than Ruto.

Anyway when the real Tangatanga war starts - haha - we will see about Ruto tribe. There is nothing national about Ruto leadership.