Uhuru heckled in Ichaweri

[Kadudu]

Pundit, why do you create your own stories? There was never such an agreement. Moi ascended to power at the age of 56. Were all Kenyans to wait for him to die let us say at the age of 90?

As of land issues, those will be there for Kenyans to deal with in the next 50 years. One day the locals of Lamu will one day wake up followed by those of Taita Taveta.

Btw, I was surprised to hear the other day Kalejin politicians complaining it was Raila who was a nuisance to Moi's regime. No mention of any Kikuyus wanting to end Moi's rule. How times change.

I think if UhuRuto does another 20yrs - then Kikuyu - then Kalenjin - they will heal. They were only re-opened when Kikuyu wanted to cut short MOi presidency. Yet kalenjin had waited patiently for Kenyatta to die. The agreement was Moi was also to die in power - life presidency.Kalenjin understood that was the deal - but clearly Moi was not going to die anytime soon.

Again I am not blackmailing anybody. I am analyzing politics.

Just like 1992 - when Kalenjin revisted the land issue - as Mt kenya agitated to cut short Moi rule - those wounds are linked to POLITICS.For Kikuyu and other diaspora got RV land due to politics (Jomo Kenyatta)

So those two land and politics are intertwined. You have to manage both careful so you dont reopen wounds. You need to be fair. Any 'unfairness' reopen the land woes.

Moronic version - Kikuyu and kalenjin should try to be together in politics forever - until kenya urbanize and we kill tribal politics.

[Gikomba_Hawker]

I told you once but you may have forgotten. If one is patient, time reveals a lot. We shall see. Also, I clearly told you that for the sake of Kenya, I hope I'm wrong. Again, we shall see. Your discomfort for being asked questions (in a thread that you yourself started) is nothing compared to what would happen to a Kikuyu or any other tribal member in the Rift Valley (or elsewhere in Kenya), if we have a repeat of 2007/8.

You're one doing the name-calling by quoting some "analyst" - I can read between the lines. Just say it directly. I know some of you do not want to hear the truth. But I will always speak the truth.

No need to get excited and for the name-calling, especially if your conscience is clear.

[RV Pundit]

I have been online - for long - many people confuse my punditry - especially on kalenjin - for incitement. It is not. I was there in 2007 - I run and hid severally from being conscripted to go fight people.

Discomfort of what? I will never incite or kill or steal or any of those things. Why would I do any of that - when I have lived honest happy life.

If Ruto loses - I will move on with life - and will be here the next day - but will many kalenjin do the same - hell no. Many of people do not have the IQ and morality to rationalize things...they will kill their neigberhour for politics.

I told you once but you may have forgotten. If one is patient, time reveals a lot. We shall see. Also, I clearly told you that for the sake of Kenya, I hope I'm wrong. Again, we shall see. Your discomfort for being asked questions (in a thread that you yourself started) is nothing compared to what would happen to a Kikuyu or any other tribal member in the Rift Valley (or elsewhere in Kenya), if we have a repeat of 2007/8.

[RV Pundit]

This is what I heard in 1992. That Kikiyus had violated the common sense deal. Kenyatta had been life president and so Moi was to also die in power. This was the main cause of 1992 tribal clashes. The agitation for multi-partism - for kalenjin was the ending of life presidency of Moi - obviously with tribal maths - a kikuyu was going to win. Therefore the kalenjin started stolen land argument. Kalenjin led by Moi of  course.

They are actually not tribal or land clashes - they should be called Political Clashes. Genuine land clashes are those like SDLF - where one saboti clan fight another over land allocation gone wrong - or where people actually go to forest like Mau Mau and really fight for it for a long time.

Not one that ends and start with politics.

Pundit, why do you create your own stories? There was never such an agreement. Moi ascended to power at the age of 56. Were all Kenyans to wait for him to die let us say at the age of 90?

As of land issues, those will be there for Kenyans to deal with in the next 50 years. One day the locals of Lamu will one day wake up followed by those of Taita Taveta.

Btw, I was surprised to hear the other day Kalejin politicians complaining it was Raila who was a nuisance to Moi's regime. No mention of any Kikuyus wanting to end Moi's rule. How times change.

[Nowayhaha]

so what would Kalenjins do to Kikuyus. It seems you even dont understand Uhurus game.Right now Kalenjins in Kenya are the most hated akin to Kikuyus in 2007. Whats shielding them is Mt Kenya. once they lose that its kaput.
Ruto very well understands that.Unlike you who pokes Mt Kenya haezi thubutu.

I told you once but you may have forgotten. If one is patient, time reveals a lot. We shall see. Also, I clearly told you that for the sake of Kenya, I hope I'm wrong. Again, we shall see. Your discomfort for being asked questions (in a thread that you yourself started) is nothing compared to what would happen to a Kikuyu or any other tribal member in the Rift Valley (or elsewhere in Kenya), if we have a repeat of 2007/8.

You're one doing the name-calling by quoting some "analyst" - I can read between the lines. Just say it directly. I know some of you do not want to hear the truth. But I will always speak the truth.

No need to get excited and for the name-calling, especially if your conscience is clear.

[RV Pundit]

What is Uhuru game? I think nobody knows for sure! Whatever he is doing doesnt make sense to anybody.

so what would Kalenjins do to Kikuyus. It seems you even dont understand Uhurus game.Right now Kalenjins in Kenya are the most hated akin to Kikuyus in 2007. Whats shielding them is Mt Kenya. once they lose that its kaput.
Ruto very well understands that.Unlike you who pokes Mt Kenya haezi thubutu.

[Nefertiti]

All this from a fake video. So Uhuru travels in civilian convoy? Desperation kweli. I think the ground question was temporarily answered at Kiambaa-Muguga: 50-50

[RV Pundit]

So the candidates had no strength and weakness of their own?

All this from a fake video. So Uhuru travels in civilian convoy? Desperation kweli. I think the ground question was temporarily answered at Kiambaa-Muguga: 50-50

[Nefertiti]

No it was all Ruto vs Uhuru ... even the time itself was in FUTURE.

So the candidates had no strength and weakness of their own?

All this from a fake video. So Uhuru travels in civilian convoy? Desperation kweli. I think the ground question was temporarily answered at Kiambaa-Muguga: 50-50

[Nefertiti]

I am not sure this truth is acceptable to Pundit. He believes the Kikuyu are at the mercy of the Kalenjin.

My own view: any anti-diaspora violence is more of a booby-trap against Ruto.

so what would Kalenjins do to Kikuyus. It seems you even dont understand Uhurus game.Right now Kalenjins in Kenya are the most hated akin to Kikuyus in 2007. Whats shielding them is Mt Kenya. once they lose that its kaput.
Ruto very well understands that.Unlike you who pokes Mt Kenya haezi thubutu.

[RV Pundit]

And Uhuru can give his votes to anybody. Uhuru=Raila. Raila has 50 percent of Mt kenya - some flawed logic there. Let say Uhuru has latent 50 percent - how much of that - is the support for his gov - and how much of that can he transfer - to - someone hated like Raila

No it was all Ruto vs Uhuru ... even the time itself was in FUTURE.

[RV Pundit]

I think half of is fear of violence; half of it love/admiration for Ruto; half of it economic mess anger - morphed into economic inequality/halve-nots versus dynasty; half of it fear of Raila.

You can choose and pick which one appeals to you - but definitely it a combination of admiration of ruto the person, the fear of Kalenjin going on a rampage on their people and knowing the police would not help, the anger against Uhuru and mt Kenya elite from the majority dealing with south-Africa like economic class divide, and of course the ever-presence railaphobia.

To therefore completely decouple Ruto - you need to address all those issues.

1)  You need to assure Mt kenya people of their future in RV - where about a million of their people live - in an uneasy relationship with Rvs. This the Taboo Subject of 2022 - because apart from me - nobody talks about it. Everyone knows it an issue. RVs have gone deadly silent - from 1st term of Deni Lazima Ilipwa - to - HAMNA DENI . Conspiracy of silence continues but it is big concern for Mt Kenya people living in RV. That is why they really hate Uhuru...for they know the drill.

2)  You need to damage Ruto's character - Ruto is seen as a humble, dependable, and reachable Christian boy. You have more chance of success there if you also know Ruto is very corrupt. MOST propaganda was spent here - and it probably had the most success if you can call it that until Uhuru family,ODM and Murathe were found with their hands-on CORONA (of all things) fund jar . Kimwarer/Aror when compared to COVID billionaires relathieves - it is either a draw or Uhuru-Raila loses.

3)  You need to respond to the hustler-dynastic economic/class divide - you need to find an extensional threat - that would unite Mt Kenya - so much they forget internal issues. You need to demonstrate that Ruto would be worse as an external threat - than whatever internal fissures. You need to stop banding around the sons and daughters of dynasties - and Uhuru need to rediscover his mojo - the one where he would drink Muratina.

4)  Railaphobia/Luophobia - this can be easily counter-man by Kalenjin/Moiphobia. Ruguru threat is probably similar to many diehards Mt Kenya nationalist- R v R - ideally. But not now - maybe in the 2nd round when Mt Kenya nation has no option. For now they will ask why no go for Musyoka or MaDVD

This is why it almost hopeless to fight Ruto in Mt kenya

This is why four years late - most of them have given up.

I am not sure this truth is acceptable to Pundit. He believes the Kikuyu are at the mercy of the Kalenjin.
My own view: any anti-diaspora violence is more of a booby-trap against Ruto.

[Nefertiti]

Not everyone will follow your advise on how to attack Ruto. Decapitating mean machine already scuttled half the sheep. Then you insisted Raila must get nusu-mkate which he deftly ducked. You see you only have KEMSA to pin on Murathe.

Today Raila has a solid bunch of Kikuyu wazee, Kamanda, James Nyoros, Kaninis backing him. ODM has no Mt Kenya office but Raila has good prospects. It easy to tell the strategy: leave ground to Jubilee, Muturi, etc. This same strategy in Wiper, ANC areas.

Meantime Uhuru is spending more time as Raila deal-maker than PORK. Uhuru is obviously behind all those SK Macharias and Waigurus endorsing Raila, he is behind GoK hostility to any Ruto-friendly "financiers" or investors. I doubt Ruto Chirchir can even run a vote-tally center without NIS raids.

Uhuru is behind Muturi. If you look harder, you will see it Uhuru fierce ground game that gives Kuria and Kiunjuri the backbone to make hard demands on Ruto. They know Ruto on his own is toast - like Kiambaa meagre 50-49 margin - any small division and Jubilee wins.

Yes, you can surmise 50-50 will boil down to same estimate. NASA are discrete tribal parties and have fewer headaches to overcome than Ruto. If UDA was a solid party (maybe 5 years like URP) it would be safer. Now it has 1MP - fierce onslaughts - and already facing INTERNAL problems. What will happen if Kuria and Kiunjuri leave? - have you considered that? I mean if they leave outright or continue viciously attacking UDA? Ruto may discover it is safer to play hands-off like Raila, than bother with Gema shenanigans.

[Nefertiti]

In short, Pundit, Ruto is not leading so you can advise us on how to catch up. He needs to deal with Kuria and Kiunjuri - to get back the underdog lane against Raila NARC2 - the flying horse. Those analysts saying Ruto will be swiftly vanquished are not crazy.

[RV Pundit]

Raila and Mt kenya - that is a big mountain to surmount in 1yr. He still where he was last year - at Githurai junction - with fake elders and known political conmen like maDVD guy Kioni - still a long way to Nyeri town - and then the ascend to the top of the Mountain .

Well it also possible that Uhuru will get him into Airforce Helicopter and drop him at Mbatian peak

One thing - Ruto support with Mt kenya is direct - not through proxies. Yes of course some Kikiyus expect to get DPORk and 50 percent. This I expect is the next tussle. They will try to say we will only support you if you give us DPORK and 50. That is already a given.

But Ruto is not going to rush to give 50 percent to anybody and this soon - and risk a fallout.

In fact majority of Kikuyus do not even care about DPORK and 50 percent - they want to hear Bottom UP.

Kiunjuri I have advised him severally to up his game - attack Uhuru and his gov - but he doesnt listen. Now Munya is killing him with agriclutural reforms. He was clear front runner because Kikuyus know he is a nationalist of Mt Kenya and can defend their interest - but he messing up. Quit TSP - tissue paper thing has failed to gain traction - and join UDA. And while in UDA - now go total frontal on Uhuru - and try to edge the line up.

Kuria is smarter - but he comes from Gatundu South.

Kiunjuri needs to really find at least 10 mps and MCAs - otherwise join UDA - and fight inside it with Wahome and Gachaguas.

I see a situation where Ruto commission an opinion poll and appoint the tallest of the dwarfs.

In meantime Uhuru is meeting Raila without even a Mt Kenya leader on that table

Not everyone will follow your advise on how to attack Ruto. Decapitating mean machine already scuttled half the sheep. Then you insisted Raila must get nusu-mkate which he deftly ducked. You see you only have KEMSA to pin on Murathe.

Today Raila has a solid bunch of Kikuyu wazee, Kamanda, James Nyoros, Kaninis backing him. ODM has no Mt Kenya office but Raila has good prospects. It easy to tell the strategy: leave ground to Jubilee, Muturi, etc. This same strategy in Wiper, ANC areas.

Meantime Uhuru is spending more time as Raila deal-maker than PORK. Uhuru is obviously behind all those SK Macharias and Waigurus endorsing Raila, he is behind GoK hostility to any Ruto-friendly "financiers" or investors. I doubt Ruto Chirchir can even run a vote-tally center without NIS raids.

Uhuru is behind Muturi. If you look harder, you will see it Uhuru fierce ground game that gives Kuria and Kiunjuri the backbone to make hard demands on Ruto. They know Ruto on his own is toast - like Kiambaa meagre 50-49 margin - any small division and Jubilee wins.

Yes, you can surmise 50-50 will boil down to same estimate. NASA are discrete tribal parties and have fewer headaches to overcome than Ruto. If UDA was a solid party (maybe 5 years like URP) it would be safer. Now it has 1MP - fierce onslaughts - and already facing INTERNAL problems. What will happen if Kuria and Kiunjuri leave? - have you considered that? I mean if they leave outright or continue viciously attacking UDA? Ruto may discover it is safer to play hands-off like Raila, than bother with Gema shenanigans.

[RV Pundit]

Raila is already a flying horse - how now? Mt kenya including Kieleweke are now arguing about 50-50; Ruto will select DPORK and do 50-50 with GEMA: it given. It why the NASA folks cannot go to Ruto - they know NO 1 and No 2 is already taken. You come for No 3, 4, 5.

They need to fight amongst themselves on who is the leader - otherwise Ruto will choose one for them.

In short, Pundit, Ruto is not leading so you can advise us on how to catch up. He needs to deal with Kuria and Kiunjuri - to get back the underdog lane against Raila NARC2 - the flying horse. Those analysts saying Ruto will be swiftly vanquished are not crazy.