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Mobutu chickens out of juja
« on: March 16, 2021, 11:37:56 AM »
https://www.the-star.co.ke/news/2021-03-15-rutos-uda-drops-out-of-juja-by-election-race/

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Re: Mobutu chickens out of juja
« Reply #1 on: March 16, 2021, 12:18:37 PM »
Ruto is trying to avoid facing Uhuru; he has been doing that; the same with referendum; he is focussed on 2022; and will not allow himself to fight a lameduck; who is fighting against time.

Uhuru is now 1yr to retirement.

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Re: Mobutu chickens out of juja
« Reply #2 on: March 17, 2021, 03:48:38 PM »
Liar. Uhuruto faced off in Hell's Gate and London - and confirmed that Gema are not in Ruto grip despite the lies. Ruto is avoiding embarassment in Juja and Garissa... if PEP lose in Juja UDA will avoid raw egg in the face. ODM will equally duck Garissa and it will be Haji vs Kanu.

If Machakos goes according to few polls - showing Kavindu landslide - UDA momentum will be dead before it took off. Very bad for party with 1 MCA.

Ruto is trying to avoid facing Uhuru; he has been doing that; the same with referendum; he is focussed on 2022; and will not allow himself to fight a lameduck; who is fighting against time.

Uhuru is now 1yr to retirement.
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Re: Mobutu chickens out of juja
« Reply #3 on: March 17, 2021, 03:54:16 PM »
why UDA is DOA outside Kalenjin

This briefcase poll says Wiper will wipe the floor with UDA in Machakos - Wiper 55% vs Chap Chap 17% vs UDA 12%

https://mauvoo.com/opinion-poll-shows-kavindu-will-win-machakos-by-election-with-over-55-percent/
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Re: Mobutu chickens out of juja
« Reply #4 on: March 17, 2021, 03:57:47 PM »
When has Ruto campaigned for UDA :) - not even for Mombasa; Ruto is just too smart for that; Juja is Kiambu - near Uhuru gatundu; Ruto will avoid at all coasts contest Uhuru is likely to be interested;
Liar. Uhuruto faced off in Hell's Gate and London - and confirmed that Gema are not in Ruto grip despite the lies. Ruto is avoiding embarassment in Juja and Garissa... if PEP lose in Juja UDA will avoid raw egg in the face. ODM will equally duck Garissa and it will be Haji vs Kanu.

If Machakos goes according to few polls - showing Kavindu landslide - UDA momentum will be dead before it took off. Very bad for party with 1 MCA.

Ruto is trying to avoid facing Uhuru; he has been doing that; the same with referendum; he is focussed on 2022; and will not allow himself to fight a lameduck; who is fighting against time.

Uhuru is now 1yr to retirement.

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Re: Mobutu chickens out of juja
« Reply #5 on: March 17, 2021, 04:01:06 PM »
UDA doesn't need a lot of kambas to win - as long as it's playing here and there - to handle a few GEMA who may go with Uhuru to Gideon Moi :) - Ruto is winning.
why UDA is DOA outside Kalenjin

This briefcase poll says Wiper will wipe the floor with UDA in Machakos - Wiper 55% vs Chap Chap 17% vs UDA 12%

https://mauvoo.com/opinion-poll-shows-kavindu-will-win-machakos-by-election-with-over-55-percent/

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Re: Mobutu chickens out of juja
« Reply #6 on: March 17, 2021, 04:55:46 PM »
 :) Explain Garissa - Duale's NFD pastoralists are Ruto damu, no? We warned you not to dissolve URP - now rolling out UDA startup is a mountain - as it suffer loss after loss.

UDA doesn't need a lot of kambas to win - as long as it's playing here and there - to handle a few GEMA who may go with Uhuru to Gideon Moi :) - Ruto is winning.
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Re: Mobutu chickens out of juja
« Reply #7 on: March 17, 2021, 05:04:05 PM »
Relax.North Eastern is clan politics. Duale-Haji-Korane come from one clan. The Farah Maalim is their competitor with former governor.

Jubilee will be deserted by everyone few months to election.

Right now it make no sense to fight a dying thing. Let people who want to enjoy the last 1yr of gov enjoy. Ruto is going to treat Jubilee mostly with contempt.

These Nyeri residents have more brains than you.


:) Explain Garissa - Duale's NFD pastoralists are Ruto damu, no? We warned you not to dissolve URP - now rolling out UDA startup is a mountain - as it suffer loss after loss.

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Re: Mobutu chickens out of juja
« Reply #8 on: March 17, 2021, 07:30:44 PM »
Kikuyus rank and file are with ruto. Raila for the second time has been conned by central leaders that they will deliver votes. Uhuru is so unpopular in central. He just needs to leave the scene quickly

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Re: Mobutu chickens out of juja
« Reply #9 on: March 17, 2021, 07:40:38 PM »
Even Maina Kamanda is now ashamed to walk with Raila; Look like Uhuru might be recruiting Kabogo to continue with charade - they need a few months - for BBI to be passed in parliament. Uhuru will dump the referendum - and pick and select - which laws will be ammended - and leave the rest for future referendum.
Kikuyus rank and file are with ruto. Raila for the second time has been conned by central leaders that they will deliver votes. Uhuru is so unpopular in central. He just needs to leave the scene quickly

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Re: Mobutu chickens out of juja
« Reply #10 on: March 17, 2021, 09:01:02 PM »
Explain Juja. And what happened in Hell's Gate?

Kikuyus rank and file are with ruto. Raila for the second time has been conned by central leaders that they will deliver votes. Uhuru is so unpopular in central. He just needs to leave the scene quickly
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Re: Mobutu chickens out of juja
« Reply #11 on: March 17, 2021, 09:23:34 PM »
Explain Juja. And what happened in Hell's Gate?

Kikuyus rank and file are with ruto. Raila for the second time has been conned by central leaders that they will deliver votes. Uhuru is so unpopular in central. He just needs to leave the scene quickly

Those are local stuff mca and mp stuff...on presidential opinion polls ruto is ahead and running away with this thing see that clip from Nyeri. Uhuru is not able to turn the tide. Emotionally kikuyus are done with uhuru. The sooner raila dumps uhuru the better his chances will be.

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Re: Mobutu chickens out of juja
« Reply #12 on: March 17, 2021, 09:27:30 PM »
Even Maina Kamanda is now ashamed to walk with Raila; Look like Uhuru might be recruiting Kabogo to continue with charade - they need a few months - for BBI to be passed in parliament. Uhuru will dump the referendum - and pick and select - which laws will be ammended - and leave the rest for future referendum.
Kikuyus rank and file are with ruto. Raila for the second time has been conned by central leaders that they will deliver votes. Uhuru is so unpopular in central. He just needs to leave the scene quickly
Yes, they had to run to kabogo. Bbi is very unpopular in central. Even raila supporters do not understand what it is all about other than a back door to power for politicians.  Uhuru will try and get what he can without a referendum. Uhuru wants to weaken the constitution so that he can continue having influence when he leaves office. It is sad that raila is participating in this mess

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Re: Mobutu chickens out of juja
« Reply #13 on: March 17, 2021, 09:48:25 PM »
The whole bunch are desperate and think Uhuru will endorse them -and overnight mt kenya will sing their names.
Yes, they had to run to kabogo. Bbi is very unpopular in central. Even raila supporters do not understand what it is all about other than a back door to power for politicians.  Uhuru will try and get what he can without a referendum. Uhuru wants to weaken the constitution so that he can continue having influence when he leaves office. It is sad that raila is participating in this mess

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Re: Mobutu chickens out of juja
« Reply #14 on: March 18, 2021, 01:54:59 AM »
Explain Juja. And what happened in Hell's Gate?

Kikuyus rank and file are with ruto. Raila for the second time has been conned by central leaders that they will deliver votes. Uhuru is so unpopular in central. He just needs to leave the scene quickly

Those are local stuff mca and mp stuff...on presidential opinion polls ruto is ahead and running away with this thing see that clip from Nyeri. Uhuru is not able to turn the tide. Emotionally kikuyus are done with uhuru. The sooner raila dumps uhuru the better his chances will be.

Haha - i see when Ruto is scared it's local issues. When he wins like Diani it's about 2022. If that Nyeri clip was representative UDA would be chest-thumping but now they have to tread carefully to escape further embarassment. March 4 burst the hustler bubble.
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Re: Mobutu chickens out of juja
« Reply #15 on: March 18, 2021, 01:57:43 AM »
Wow - clan and tribe are still king? I almost bought the hustler class narrative :) The same gravity played out in Luhya and Gusii obviously - without big kahunas there is no magical appeal to propel Ruto to 40% let alone PORK.

Relax.North Eastern is clan politics. Duale-Haji-Korane come from one clan. The Farah Maalim is their competitor with former governor.

Jubilee will be deserted by everyone few months to election.

Right now it make no sense to fight a dying thing. Let people who want to enjoy the last 1yr of gov enjoy. Ruto is going to treat Jubilee mostly with contempt.

These Nyeri residents have more brains than you.


:) Explain Garissa - Duale's NFD pastoralists are Ruto damu, no? We warned you not to dissolve URP - now rolling out UDA startup is a mountain - as it suffer loss after loss.
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Re: Mobutu chickens out of juja
« Reply #16 on: March 18, 2021, 07:55:04 AM »
I don't remember saying tribe was no longer a factor - hustler movement allows Ruto to gain national votes in unlikely places. He of course has his tribal maths;
Wow - clan and tribe are still king? I almost bought the hustler class narrative :) The same gravity played out in Luhya and Gusii obviously - without big kahunas there is no magical appeal to propel Ruto to 40% let alone PORK.

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Re: Mobutu chickens out of juja
« Reply #17 on: March 18, 2021, 01:36:49 PM »
Please explain Ruto tribal math - can't discern any significant plan. Hustler resonates in very few places as is becoming apparent every day.

I don't remember saying tribe was no longer a factor - hustler movement allows Ruto to gain national votes in unlikely places. He of course has his tribal maths;
Wow - clan and tribe are still king? I almost bought the hustler class narrative :) The same gravity played out in Luhya and Gusii obviously - without big kahunas there is no magical appeal to propel Ruto to 40% let alone PORK.
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Re: Mobutu chickens out of juja
« Reply #18 on: March 18, 2021, 02:07:49 PM »
Ruto starts with 25% of RV - he may get 23-24% - if Kamatusa+gema diaspora play ball.

That is already about half-way through to the 50%.

The next battle to GEMA proper - Central 3M - Mt Kenya East 1.5M. We are yet to determine how much Ruto will get - suffice to say he is leading - and if running against Raila - he will take nearly all of it.

That vote basket if you include Nairobi would get Ruto nearly at 50%.

Then he goes for top up in western, coast, ukambani, NEP and the rest for rigging margin proof.

Ruto beats Raila everytime. The big question is how Uhuru will play his cards - and how GEMA will react. Otherwise everything else pretty much settled.

Ruto will go for Kikuyu DPORK.

Please explain Ruto tribal math - can't discern any significant plan. Hustler resonates in very few places as is becoming apparent every day.