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Re: I impressed by Munya reforms in Maize and Tea
« Reply #20 on: September 18, 2020, 04:20:03 PM »
Continuity in governments is through the procedures, regulations, draft laws and such which is long winding processes. Munya just got the money unlocked and the political goodwill. If KTDA turn is anything to go, he has a clear hatchet job - maybe target ain't KTDA but KCC.

Take Water Sector- we are still implementing and benefitting from Karua brief stint at the Ministry. She laid brilliant water reforms- pushed through some and many others require billion dollars funding.

Kiunjuri laid down the legal framework. He put in quite some work despite the outright frustrations.

Once he started running with the water pans, Irrigation was moved back to Water Ministry. :D :D :D

https://www.the-star.co.ke/news/2019-08-24-kiunjuri-suffers-blow-as-irrigation-docket-moved-to-water-ministry/

In 2013 they said Uhuru said he was improving efficiency by moving it to Agriculture.

https://nation.africa/kenya/business/irrigation-now-moved-to-agriculture-ministry--894856
Which framework? Kiunjuri was just plain incompetent. The guy had a chance to reform agriculture by limiting government involvement in it. It's during his tenure that government had ridiculous proposals like banning animal manure  https://www.standardmedia.co.ke/business/article/2001318765/state-introduces-punitive-regulations-for-farmers
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Re: I impressed by Munya reforms in Maize and Tea
« Reply #21 on: October 28, 2020, 12:01:53 AM »
I see governors in farming bedrocks have rejected Munya reforms..
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Re: I impressed by Munya reforms in Maize and Tea
« Reply #22 on: October 28, 2020, 12:52:19 AM »
Yes once he revealed his real evil intention to take back KTDA to gov - it was over for those reforms. Tea farmers, I included, (although I gave up my tea farm to my bro recently), will never go back to pre-liberazation era. People thought Munya was interested in reforming KTDA - not fighting KTDA and taking it back to ministry of agricluture - where he can control it. Most politician are envious of KTDA handling 70B Kshs annually plus. They wish they could lay their hand on KTDA - so they can make money from all fertilizers, procurements and deals KTDA engage in - which are in billions kshs annuall.

It's like BBI - once kenya saw imperial presidency - you can bet your last dollar - it's dead on arrival. Hiyo ni nyoka and Raila captured it well. Umetoa Moi pangoni.

I mean people were really sick and tired of moi 90s. You can see Unfair and Imbalanced is yet to recover. KenyaPlatos is totaly messed up by Moi. I bet he has nightmares.

Moi really messed up kenya in 90s. And Ruto is coming to right those wrongs :)

Before 90s - kenyans were not conditioned to for example finishing high school and not finding a job. But now after 30yrs - the current generation - don't feel any bitterness when they don't find opportunities after school . In the 90s - people felt betrayed by gov and society.

I see governors in farming bedrocks have rejected Munya reforms..

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Re: I impressed by Munya reforms in Maize and Tea
« Reply #23 on: October 28, 2020, 10:49:10 AM »
Digression... anyway Mobutu base of millennials don't know anything about Moi. Older folks 35+ don't support Mobutu.. they don't appreciate his ukora and naive solutions. Especially in Gema the followers he had before fallout is youths - jobless, underemployed who fall for wheelbarrow propaganda. These are the ones targeted by tax holiday and BBI goodies.

Munya has poor leadership - very confrontational which is bad for CS level. When Njukis, Kimemias, Oparanyas gang up despite their own political differences just know things are bad. Agric is one of the successful devolved functions- unlike medical - so it moronic to centralize it. I credit this success to the localized, proprietary nature of farming- unlike nurses or teachers who are employees so greed and selfishness take over.

Yes once he revealed his real evil intention to take back KTDA to gov - it was over for those reforms. Tea farmers, I included, (although I gave up my tea farm to my bro recently), will never go back to pre-liberazation era. People thought Munya was interested in reforming KTDA - not fighting KTDA and taking it back to ministry of agricluture - where he can control it. Most politician are envious of KTDA handling 70B Kshs annually plus. They wish they could lay their hand on KTDA - so they can make money from all fertilizers, procurements and deals KTDA engage in - which are in billions kshs annuall.

It's like BBI - once kenya saw imperial presidency - you can bet your last dollar - it's dead on arrival. Hiyo ni nyoka and Raila captured it well. Umetoa Moi pangoni.

I mean people were really sick and tired of moi 90s. You can see Unfair and Imbalanced is yet to recover. KenyaPlatos is totaly messed up by Moi. I bet he has nightmares.

Moi really messed up kenya in 90s. And Ruto is coming to right those wrongs :)

Before 90s - kenyans were not conditioned to for example finishing high school and not finding a job. But now after 30yrs - the current generation - don't feel any bitterness when they don't find opportunities after school . In the 90s - people felt betrayed by gov and society.

I see governors in farming bedrocks have rejected Munya reforms..
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Re: I impressed by Munya reforms in Maize and Tea
« Reply #24 on: October 28, 2020, 10:50:55 AM »
Of all the youth problems - you actually think TAX HOLIDAY and HELB loan is their priority. WHAT HELL IS WRONG WITH YOUR BRAIN.

This is why Ruto and Hustler Nations are just winning unopposed.

You guys have totally lost it. You're completely out of touch with reality.

What is tax holiday to 99% of Kenyans. My friend those are stuff you invite foreign investors with - not Kenya youths - who have NILL returns and taxes to pay.

SIMPLE maths...0% times tax holiday is ZERO NADA.

That 1) somebody sat down and thought tax holiday was brilliant idea and 2) that you parrot it too - is just proof - that you're twice the idiot.

Ruto is targetting people with wheelbarrows and they love it. Go to real KENYA. Dynasties kweli.

Less than 3M out of maybe 25M adults kenya pay income tax..actually maybe less than 2M...only about 3M care to file their tax returns...out there are 20M plus who don't know what tax holiday is :)  :D or HELB loan.

Digression... anyway Mobutu base of millennials don't know anything about Moi. Older folks 35+ don't support Mobutu.. they don't appreciate his ukora and naive solutions. Especially in Gema the followers he had before fallout is youths - jobless, underemployed who fall for wheelbarrow propaganda. These are the ones targeted by tax holiday and BBI goodies.

Munya has poor leadership - very confrontational which is bad for CS level. When Njukis, Kimemias, Oparanyas gang up despite their own political differences just know things are bad. Agric is one of the successful devolved functions- unlike medical - so it moronic to centralize it. I credit this success to the localized, proprietary nature of farming- unlike nurses or teachers who are employees so greed and selfishness take over.

Yes once he revealed his real evil intention to take back KTDA to gov - it was over for those reforms. Tea farmers, I included, (although I gave up my tea farm to my bro recently), will never go back to pre-liberazation era. People thought Munya was interested in reforming KTDA - not fighting KTDA and taking it back to ministry of agricluture - where he can control it. Most politician are envious of KTDA handling 70B Kshs annually plus. They wish they could lay their hand on KTDA - so they can make money from all fertilizers, procurements and deals KTDA engage in - which are in billions kshs annuall.

It's like BBI - once kenya saw imperial presidency - you can bet your last dollar - it's dead on arrival. Hiyo ni nyoka and Raila captured it well. Umetoa Moi pangoni.

I mean people were really sick and tired of moi 90s. You can see Unfair and Imbalanced is yet to recover. KenyaPlatos is totaly messed up by Moi. I bet he has nightmares.

Moi really messed up kenya in 90s. And Ruto is coming to right those wrongs :)

Before 90s - kenyans were not conditioned to for example finishing high school and not finding a job. But now after 30yrs - the current generation - don't feel any bitterness when they don't find opportunities after school . In the 90s - people felt betrayed by gov and society.

I see governors in farming bedrocks have rejected Munya reforms..

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Re: I impressed by Munya reforms in Maize and Tea
« Reply #25 on: October 28, 2020, 11:53:07 AM »
Get off the high horse. You start from high unreachable pedestal aka HUBRIS - about hustler wave - which unproven nonsense. Raila has had massive crowds since Rainbow days - Matiba before that - where folks were lynching cops and blaming Moi for drought, flood, malaria, cheating spouse and all problems.

CROWDS are not useful. Heck Jesus had mega crowds - doing live miracles - and still get hanged and in lieu a thief saved. :) Debe is better. And right now your "widely popular" idol is afraid to face Uhuru. Your opinion is not reality - hio iko kwa news sio nipate.

Get off the echo chamber... back to punditry. There is fresh air out here.

Of all the youth problems - you actually think TAX HOLIDAY and HELB loan is their priority. WHAT HELL IS WRONG WITH YOUR BRAIN.

This is why Ruto and Hustler Nations are just winning unopposed.

You guys have totally lost it. You're completely out of touch with reality.

What is tax holiday to 99% of Kenyans. My friend those are stuff you invite foreign investors with - not Kenya youths - who have NILL returns and taxes to pay.

SIMPLE maths...0% times tax holiday is ZERO NADA.

That 1) somebody sat down and thought tax holiday was brilliant idea and 2) that you parrot it too - is just proof - that you're twice the idiot.

Ruto is targetting people with wheelbarrows and they love it. Go to real KENYA. Dynasties kweli.

Less than 3M out of maybe 25M adults kenya pay income tax..actually maybe less than 2M...only about 3M care to file their tax returns...out there are 20M plus who don't know what tax holiday is :)  :D or HELB loan.

Digression... anyway Mobutu base of millennials don't know anything about Moi. Older folks 35+ don't support Mobutu.. they don't appreciate his ukora and naive solutions. Especially in Gema the followers he had before fallout is youths - jobless, underemployed who fall for wheelbarrow propaganda. These are the ones targeted by tax holiday and BBI goodies.

Munya has poor leadership - very confrontational which is bad for CS level. When Njukis, Kimemias, Oparanyas gang up despite their own political differences just know things are bad. Agric is one of the successful devolved functions- unlike medical - so it moronic to centralize it. I credit this success to the localized, proprietary nature of farming- unlike nurses or teachers who are employees so greed and selfishness take over.

Yes once he revealed his real evil intention to take back KTDA to gov - it was over for those reforms. Tea farmers, I included, (although I gave up my tea farm to my bro recently), will never go back to pre-liberazation era. People thought Munya was interested in reforming KTDA - not fighting KTDA and taking it back to ministry of agricluture - where he can control it. Most politician are envious of KTDA handling 70B Kshs annually plus. They wish they could lay their hand on KTDA - so they can make money from all fertilizers, procurements and deals KTDA engage in - which are in billions kshs annuall.

It's like BBI - once kenya saw imperial presidency - you can bet your last dollar - it's dead on arrival. Hiyo ni nyoka and Raila captured it well. Umetoa Moi pangoni.

I mean people were really sick and tired of moi 90s. You can see Unfair and Imbalanced is yet to recover. KenyaPlatos is totaly messed up by Moi. I bet he has nightmares.

Moi really messed up kenya in 90s. And Ruto is coming to right those wrongs :)

Before 90s - kenyans were not conditioned to for example finishing high school and not finding a job. But now after 30yrs - the current generation - don't feel any bitterness when they don't find opportunities after school . In the 90s - people felt betrayed by gov and society.

I see governors in farming bedrocks have rejected Munya reforms..
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Re: I impressed by Munya reforms in Maize and Tea
« Reply #26 on: October 28, 2020, 11:58:58 AM »
Anyway this Munya reforms thread let take politics to BBI thread.
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Re: I impressed by Munya reforms in Maize and Tea
« Reply #27 on: October 28, 2020, 01:07:49 PM »
Raila just needed to finish - and he failed. Otherwise he has been pretty close for 3 elections after winning a referendum in 2005 and leading Kibaki victory in 2002.

Finishing is the problem because of his naivety, laziness and disorganization. To score 45% out 50% plus one is 90% - very good - but not enough - you need 100%.

Raila had 2013 for taking. He should have treated Ruto right. Ruto was near Raila equal in contribution to ODM. But he chose weak maDVD over WSR. WSR was happy to make some progress - wait for 10 years after Raila is done - then inherit that kingdom.

Raila also had 2007 - if he had handled Kalonzo problem better.

Watch Ruto nick it. Ruto works twice hard, think twice hard and organize twice better than Raila.

It's reason why his wheelbarrow movement has pinned the dynasties on the wall - they are dazed, confused and scared.

Eti we are giving youth tax holiday :) - what hell does that mean to average kenyan youth - and you wonder why they want Ruto pikipiki and wheelbarrow.

Go dish out tax holidays and helb loan...and see how far you go.

Get off the high horse. You start from high unreachable pedestal aka HUBRIS - about hustler wave - which unproven nonsense. Raila has had massive crowds since Rainbow days - Matiba before that - where folks were lynching cops and blaming Moi for drought, flood, malaria, cheating spouse and all problems.

CROWDS are not useful. Heck Jesus had mega crowds - doing live miracles - and still get hanged and in lieu a thief saved. :) Debe is better. And right now your "widely popular" idol is afraid to face Uhuru. Your opinion is not reality - hio iko kwa news sio nipate.

Get off the echo chamber... back to punditry. There is fresh air out here.

Of all the youth problems - you actually think TAX HOLIDAY and HELB loan is their priority. WHAT HELL IS WRONG WITH YOUR BRAIN.

This is why Ruto and Hustler Nations are just winning unopposed.

You guys have totally lost it. You're completely out of touch with reality.

What is tax holiday to 99% of Kenyans. My friend those are stuff you invite foreign investors with - not Kenya youths - who have NILL returns and taxes to pay.

SIMPLE maths...0% times tax holiday is ZERO NADA.

That 1) somebody sat down and thought tax holiday was brilliant idea and 2) that you parrot it too - is just proof - that you're twice the idiot.

Ruto is targetting people with wheelbarrows and they love it. Go to real KENYA. Dynasties kweli.

Less than 3M out of maybe 25M adults kenya pay income tax..actually maybe less than 2M...only about 3M care to file their tax returns...out there are 20M plus who don't know what tax holiday is :)  :D or HELB loan.

Digression... anyway Mobutu base of millennials don't know anything about Moi. Older folks 35+ don't support Mobutu.. they don't appreciate his ukora and naive solutions. Especially in Gema the followers he had before fallout is youths - jobless, underemployed who fall for wheelbarrow propaganda. These are the ones targeted by tax holiday and BBI goodies.

Munya has poor leadership - very confrontational which is bad for CS level. When Njukis, Kimemias, Oparanyas gang up despite their own political differences just know things are bad. Agric is one of the successful devolved functions- unlike medical - so it moronic to centralize it. I credit this success to the localized, proprietary nature of farming- unlike nurses or teachers who are employees so greed and selfishness take over.

Yes once he revealed his real evil intention to take back KTDA to gov - it was over for those reforms. Tea farmers, I included, (although I gave up my tea farm to my bro recently), will never go back to pre-liberazation era. People thought Munya was interested in reforming KTDA - not fighting KTDA and taking it back to ministry of agricluture - where he can control it. Most politician are envious of KTDA handling 70B Kshs annually plus. They wish they could lay their hand on KTDA - so they can make money from all fertilizers, procurements and deals KTDA engage in - which are in billions kshs annuall.

It's like BBI - once kenya saw imperial presidency - you can bet your last dollar - it's dead on arrival. Hiyo ni nyoka and Raila captured it well. Umetoa Moi pangoni.

I mean people were really sick and tired of moi 90s. You can see Unfair and Imbalanced is yet to recover. KenyaPlatos is totaly messed up by Moi. I bet he has nightmares.

Moi really messed up kenya in 90s. And Ruto is coming to right those wrongs :)

Before 90s - kenyans were not conditioned to for example finishing high school and not finding a job. But now after 30yrs - the current generation - don't feel any bitterness when they don't find opportunities after school . In the 90s - people felt betrayed by gov and society.

I see governors in farming bedrocks have rejected Munya reforms..

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Re: I impressed by Munya reforms in Maize and Tea
« Reply #28 on: October 28, 2020, 08:33:35 PM »
What % of youth have received a wheelbarrow? At least loaners are 3%.

Raila just needed to finish - and he failed. Otherwise he has been pretty close for 3 elections after winning a referendum in 2005 and leading Kibaki victory in 2002.

Finishing is the problem because of his naivety, laziness and disorganization. To score 45% out 50% plus one is 90% - very good - but not enough - you need 100%.

Raila had 2013 for taking. He should have treated Ruto right. Ruto was near Raila equal in contribution to ODM. But he chose weak maDVD over WSR. WSR was happy to make some progress - wait for 10 years after Raila is done - then inherit that kingdom.

Raila also had 2007 - if he had handled Kalonzo problem better.

Watch Ruto nick it. Ruto works twice hard, think twice hard and organize twice better than Raila.

It's reason why his wheelbarrow movement has pinned the dynasties on the wall - they are dazed, confused and scared.

Eti we are giving youth tax holiday :) - what hell does that mean to average kenyan youth - and you wonder why they want Ruto pikipiki and wheelbarrow.

Go dish out tax holidays and helb loan...and see how far you go.

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Re: I impressed by Munya reforms in Maize and Tea
« Reply #29 on: October 28, 2020, 08:48:51 PM »
It a gesture they appreciate. They don't need to receive anything. They need someone who identity with their problems and can find a solution. But BBI crew with tax holiday and helb loan are just stupidooooo.

Tax holiday :) surely. Nobody pays any tax period when they are broke and jobless - and engage in informal business. Unless they have business exceeding 5m in revenues. Those are like 1% of the youths. The rest don't even know what tax is - they get hit indirectly.

University graduate (3%)- and nobody bother with HELB  - I am yet to finish mine - nearly 20yrs later. Whether they make it 10 or 20 yr holiday - people pay when they have to - or are forced to.

So to be very fair BBI - are targetting at best 4% of the youths - the rest are hustlers - who need practical solutions.

What % of youth have received a wheelbarrow? At least loaners are 3%.