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Meanwhile,Mobutu gets a new title from C's Tobiko
« on: September 04, 2020, 08:27:34 PM »
Twitter is on fire with Kalenjins baying for Tobikos blood for calling Mobutu a clerk.Things are getting merkier.Whoever said nothing is permanent in politics should have won a nobel award.Mutahi Ngunyi is also roasting Mobutu,reminding him that he only contributed 1.4million votes to Uhurus 6 million.

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Re: Meanwhile,Mobutu gets a new title from C's Tobiko
« Reply #1 on: September 04, 2020, 08:38:28 PM »
It started with this. I had indicated earlier that Murkomen has not matured politically. He doesnt have what it takes to become the next level politician and his antics if he does not change will lead to his downfall. It took less than 12 hours , he has started another battle front for Ruto.
He should leave this to Ichungwas, Kuria and Nyoros .they do a better job


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Re: Meanwhile,Mobutu gets a new title from C's Tobiko
« Reply #2 on: September 05, 2020, 12:16:50 AM »

Murkomen Murkomen Murkomen


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Re: Meanwhile,Mobutu gets a new title from C's Tobiko
« Reply #3 on: September 05, 2020, 12:21:26 AM »
By 2021 - it will be blood on the streets. Hii imaanza mapema. But it was about time - the MAD continues. Mutually Assured Destruction.

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Re: Meanwhile,Mobutu gets a new title from C's Tobiko
« Reply #4 on: September 05, 2020, 12:38:38 AM »
By 2021 - it will be blood on the streets. Hii imaanza mapema. But it was about time - the MAD continues. Mutually Assured Destruction.

Ruto will guide Murkomen, The Tobikos seem to really want to cite Ruto and Murkomen has fallen for it. Kajiado and Narok are too important for Ruto to let those counties go 100% to Raila.

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Re: Meanwhile,Mobutu gets a new title from C's Tobiko
« Reply #5 on: September 05, 2020, 12:44:42 AM »
I think Ruto will discover that folks are tired with turning the other cheek. The chips will start to fall wherever. Tobiko doesn't control even Kajiado.

The guys who have usurped Jubilee are cartoons like Tobiko, Murathe. Matiangi, Tuju and name  them - un-elected nobodies- who cannot even win MCA seat.

They are hidding behind Uhuru - and it's time to smoke Uhuru out.

Uhuru has been asking for war for quite some time - why are you afraid when Murkomen and others take the battle to him??????????????

GEMA have to decide - to back Uhuru or Ruto or their stooge. The next 2 yrs Uhuru will discover he cannot hide behind his official or gema.

If Jubilee leaders are this frustrated - and they earn millions - what about the average Jubilee members.

It's been 3yrs of provocation.

Ruto will guide Murkomen, The Tobikos seem to really want to cite Ruto and Murkomen has fallen for it. Kajiado and Narok are too important for Ruto to let those counties go 100% to Raila.


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Re: Meanwhile,Mobutu gets a new title from C's Tobiko
« Reply #6 on: September 05, 2020, 01:18:22 AM »
I think Ruto will discover that folks are tired with turning the other cheek. The chips will start to fall wherever. Tobiko doesn't control even Kajiado.

The guys who have usurped Jubilee are cartoons like Tobiko, Murathe. Matiangi, Tuju and name  them - un-elected nobodies- who cannot even win MCA seat.

They are hidding behind Uhuru - and it's time to smoke Uhuru out.

Uhuru has been asking for war for quite some time - why are you afraid when Murkomen and others take the battle to him??????????????

GEMA have to decide - to back Uhuru or Ruto or their stooge.

If Jubilee leaders are this frustrated - and they earn millions - what about the average Jubilee members.

It's been 3yrs of provocation.

Ruto will guide Murkomen, The Tobikos seem to really want to cite Ruto and Murkomen has fallen for it. Kajiado and Narok are too important for Ruto to let those counties go 100% to Raila.

Even at the height of P.E.V. Uhuru never came out attacking Rift Valley Leaders,  he knew his real enemy and target.
Even in this cold war you dont hear either Uhuru or Ruto comimg out tearing each other.
The Matiangis , Tobikos, Kagwe  and Murathes know what they are doing.
Its already a fact a vast majority of Kissiis will go with Matiangi, Tobiko is now plating a similar game with Maasais .
Murathe seems hellbound to make sure Jubilee breaks and Ruto losses the Mt Kenya support. Unfortunately Murkomen is falling into the trap.
Maasais in Narok who voted for Jubilee by virtue of Ruto are now rethinking of their support for Ruto.

As for Murathe the Covid saga has already started alienating him from his peers and his so called  2022 crafters. Only alittle push needs to done towards Njee Mururi and his team in state house and they will be flashed out or redeployed.
One thing is for sure Uhuru made up his mind he is going to support a referendumn and Ruto made up his mind he is not going to support
Thats where there is a fundamental difference in principle. Its not the first time they are in this situation. It happened in 2007 and they parted amicably albeit shortly. Same thing happened in 2010 during referendumn ,Kibaki had threatened to discpline(I believe this is where Uhuru is taking an example from) Uhuru Kalonzo and Ruto if they opposed the Constituion. Uhuru retreated and wrote paid up adverts in national newspaper saying he is in support of the constituion. Ruto soldiered on , eventually after the referendumn  they teamed up together and went on to win 2013 elections

Jubilee politicians are not frustrated, Ruto is the one to be frustrated and its evident where he has targeted his gun. Jubilee polticians in this case Murkomen thinks he is Rutos defender , he is doing more harm than good for Ruto and also for himself. He will be the fall guy aka what happened to Jakoyo and Miguna and ODM in 2017 snd 2013 respectively..

I repeat again if Murkomen does not change Tact he will be the next Fraklin Bett come 2022 acusing Ruto of betraying him after fighting for him

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Re: Meanwhile,Mobutu gets a new title from C's Tobiko
« Reply #7 on: September 05, 2020, 07:13:02 AM »
Gema and Uhuru already decided long time ago to move without Mobutu,It is Mobutu and his kalenjins who have refused to get divorced and move on.You don't need rocket science to see it.You cannot hold a community with over 6 million votes at ransom.NEVER,NEVER,They lead others follow.

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Re: Meanwhile,Mobutu gets a new title from C's Tobiko
« Reply #8 on: September 05, 2020, 07:30:53 AM »
Tobiko is war mongering calling Ruto a clerk thats very disrespectful. Again I realize Masaai have hatred of Kalenjin almost on same levels as Kikuyu. At this point I dont care wacha moto iwake

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Re: Meanwhile,Mobutu gets a new title from C's Tobiko
« Reply #9 on: September 05, 2020, 08:21:00 AM »
Gema and Uhuru already decided long time ago to move without Mobutu,It is Mobutu and his kalenjins who have refused to get divorced and move on.You don't need rocket science to see it.You cannot hold a community with over 6 million votes at ransom.NEVER,NEVER,They lead others follow.

Pajero, more like Uhuru and his henchmen, Gema didnt go with Uhuru in 2002 referendum  and 2002 (Only parts of Kiambu) In 2007 and 2013 - Uhuru had to make an about turn and follow GEMA . FYI unlike Luo Nyanza who have been held ransom by Odinga family , Gema charts its way forward . Uhuru without Ruto would not have won 2013 and 2017 elections , secondly Uhurus 2017 victory was been taken away right through his face . Ruto managed to stop the coup d etat right ats its bud .ODM tried but in vain to divide Mt Kenya and Rift valley in 2013  and 2017  byt in vain . This one too is an exercise in vain as long Raila will be on the ballot in  2022. If he decided to throw in the towel then politics will change all together   

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Re: Meanwhile,Mobutu gets a new title from C's Tobiko
« Reply #10 on: September 05, 2020, 08:32:21 AM »
Tobiko is war mongering calling Ruto a clerk thats very disrespectful. Again I realize Masaai have hatred of Kalenjin almost on same levels as Kikuyu. At this point I dont care wacha moto iwake

Most of the CS know pretty well with change of regime they are not only going to lose their posts but might be targeted due to the sinful deeds they perpetuated while at the helm . Learning from 2013 and 2017 experience they have decided to jump into politics . Ruto himself said he is not bothered by insults from junior officers  , rightly so . Tobiko is a close associate of Wako and we know Wako is in ODM . Tobiko seems to be planning to go for Senator or Governor of Kajiado , the sister who is an MP is already in a battle as we speak with a Ruto point man in Kajiado . Hence part of the bile . Below is the other reason of the attack by Tobiko .
The Irony of it all is Uhuru does not restrict his CS in campaigning but he uses that reason as the fall out with Ruto . 

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Re: Meanwhile,Mobutu gets a new title from C's Tobiko
« Reply #11 on: September 05, 2020, 10:08:33 AM »
The problem with you is you are an ethnic chauvinist and no matter how hard you tr to hide it, it comes out like stinking fart from a horse with a bad stomach.

First let me educate you then in time will define you:
here is the ignorance you display:
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Gema didnt go with Uhuru in 2002 referendum
Referendum was held in 2005. You may want to tell us more about Uhuru's position on that 2002 referendum. I pledge not to contest a single word of any eventual account.

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In 2007 and 2013 - Uhuru had to make an about turn and follow GEMA .
What is the difference if Uhuru followed GEMA or GEMA followed Uhuru? Explain to a non GEMA exactly how each scenario manifests itself.

GEMA metamorphosis:
1992 - Largely listened to Matiba but Moi managed to engineer a Kibaki run taking off a large number of votes. Note that Kibaki was the Homeguards candidate
1997: Matiba boycotts the elections leaving Kibaki to run as the GEMA candidate. He however loses as Kikuyus start to heed their calculators which tell them no tribe is big enough to win the presidency on its own. Plus NOT even GEMA has the numbers to elect a president
2002 - GEMA divided in two parts fanatically voting for two Kikuyus. But Raila sabotages Moi's plan to pick rig in Uhuru with a thin majority.
Kibaki finall becomes the GEMA Kingpin.
2007 - GEMA euphoria or drunkenness leads Kibaki to steal the election and kill many people. He enlists Uhuru Kenyatta as part of the deal his mother cut with him in 2002 (She supported Kibaki not her son)
2013 - Kibaki barred from running again passes the GEMA torch to Uhuru.

In short GEMA needed a figurehead it got Uhuru. Uhuru needed a "Mbus" to state house; The GEMA bus came along.

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FYI unlike Luo Nyanza who have been held ransom by Odinga family , Gema charts its way forward

Annoying as this may be, I will assume it reflects the baggage you carry and not necessarily a product of your brain. Have you looked at voting trends since 1963 for both Luos and Kikuyus? Kikuyus voted as Kenyatta wanted them to. He even oathed them. Then he died and the were rudderless for 24 years. Kibaki came and by some magic the oath was awakened. The have since NEVER been out of captivity.

Here is the big difference: Kenyatta robbed Kikuyus and exiled the Mau mau. They still licked his ass. Jaramogi or the Odinga family stole no land from the Luo. Jaramogi did not oath Luos. Kenyatta oathed Kikuyus. Luos willingly side with the Odinga family largely because it addresses their political aspirations. Kikuyus are compelled (b oaths or social and political pressure) to vote as their top tell them.

So how do they chart their way when Michuki is sent to name Uhuru as the new Kingpin? They are now in doldrums which Ruto is stupidly too slow to exploit as they wait to be told who the next Kingpin is.

I will dissect the rest of your excreta later.

Baradhuli wewe!

Pajero, more like Uhuru and his henchmen, Gema didnt go with Uhuru in 2002 referendum  and 2002 (Only parts of Kiambu) In 2007 and 2013 - Uhuru had to make an about turn and follow GEMA .

FYI unlike Luo Nyanza who have been held ransom by Odinga family , Gema charts its way forward . Uhuru without Ruto would not have won 2013 and 2017 elections , secondly Uhurus 2017 victory was been taken away right through his face . Ruto managed to stop the coup d etat right ats its bud .ODM tried but in vain to divide Mt Kenya and Rift valley in 2013  and 2017  byt in vain . This one too is an exercise in vain as long Raila will be on the ballot in  2022. If he decided to throw in the towel then politics will change all together   
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Re: Meanwhile,Mobutu gets a new title from C's Tobiko
« Reply #12 on: September 05, 2020, 11:45:44 AM »
GEMA Privilege - we will poke and gorge your eyes and don't flinch. No, you can't even blink back at us. Heshimu rais. Let rais work.

Kalenjin are quite a match to this, even without Ruto. Ruto can be facebooking live 24/7 worshipping uhuru and Raila statues at State House and RV will be moto.
I underestimated the heartbreaks visited by hasla revolution

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Re: Meanwhile,Mobutu gets a new title from C's Tobiko
« Reply #13 on: September 05, 2020, 11:58:29 AM »
The problem with you is you are an ethnic chauvinist and no matter how hard you tr to hide it, it comes out like stinking fart from a horse with a bad stomach.

First let me educate you then in time will define you:
here is the ignorance you display:
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Gema didnt go with Uhuru in 2002 referendum
Referendum was held in 2005. You may want to tell us more about Uhuru's position on that 2002 referendum. I pledge not to contest a single word of any eventual account.
Referendum was held in  2005  and Uhuru was a founding Member of ODM - He regretted it and almost retired from politics


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In 2007 and 2013 - Uhuru had to make an about turn and follow GEMA .
What is the difference if Uhuru followed GEMA or GEMA followed Uhuru? Explain to a non GEMA exactly how each scenario manifests itself.
Well will give two examples , If Uhuru commanded Mt Kenya Electorate he would have been able to influence them to vote for him in  2002  and 2005 referendum . They voted against his wishes . In 2007   elections . Uhuru who was the officia opposition leader had to switch side from ODM and support Kibaki who was being fronted by Mt Kenya . In  2013 elections Uhuru wanted Mt Kenya to vote for Mudavadi .He had to rethink this after Mt Kenya informed him if they were not going to vote if it wasnt Uhuru - remember the Mademoni debacle

GEMA metamorphosis:
1992 - Largely listened to Matiba but Moi managed to engineer a Kibaki run taking off a large number of votes. Note that Kibaki was the Homeguards candidate
Correct Matiba and Kibaki both Mt Kenya Candidates gathered more than Moi and were ahead of a distant 4th Odinga

1997: Matiba boycotts the elections leaving Kibaki to run as the GEMA candidate. He however loses as Kikuyus start to heed their calculators which tell them no tribe is big enough to win the presidency on its own. Plus NOT even GEMA has the numbers to elect a president
Due to no formidable Mt Kenya candidate and the rest of central and diaspora MT Kenya apart from Nyeri and Kirinyaga dislike of Kibaki (then General Kigwoya) ther was voter apathy by Mt Kenya  - In places like Muranga , Thika and Kiambu even non Mt Kenya Parties like , Ford People , SDP went and defeated Kibakis DP candidates .
 
2002 - GEMA divided in two parts fanatically voting for two Kikuyus. But Raila sabotages Moi's plan to pick rig in Uhuru with a thin majority.
Kibaki finall becomes the GEMA Kingpin.


Mt Kenya with exceptions of parts of Kiambu  votes for Kibaki to the last man . If Moi had decided to stick to power there would still be voter apathy in Central .

2007 - GEMA euphoria or drunkenness leads Kibaki to steal the election and kill many people. He enlists Uhuru Kenyatta as part of the deal his mother cut with him in 2002 (She supported Kibaki not her son)

Raila manages for the first time to bring together Mt Kenya by his hate oriented campaign of 41 vs 1 .This made politicians realise the might of Mt Kenya from both sides of divide


2013 - Kibaki barred from running again passes the GEMA torch to Uhuru.

Kibaki tries to pass the Torch to Mudavadi using UDF , MT Kenya  flatly refuses to follow their " kingpin"


In short GEMA needed a figurehead it got Uhuru. Uhuru needed a "Mbus" to state house; The GEMA bus came along.


Initially Mt Kenya toyed with idea of Karua - Narc Kenya wins Juja and Makadara Parliamentary seats against Uhurus candidates . ICC came about and Raila makes another fundamental mistakes and in so doing Mt Kenya feels sympathy for Uhuru


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FYI unlike Luo Nyanza who have been held ransom by Odinga family , Gema charts its way forward

Annoying as this may be, I will assume it reflects the baggage you carry and not necessarily a product of your brain. Have you looked at voting trends since 1963 for both Luos and Kikuyus? Kikuyus voted as Kenyatta wanted them to. He even oathed them. Then he died and the were rudderless for 24 years. Kibaki came and by some magic the oath was awakened. The have since NEVER been out of captivity.


You correctly insuniate that it is hate of Raila which brought them together and even if he stands in 2022  , They will still vote against him


Here is the big difference: Kenyatta robbed Kikuyus and exiled the Mau mau. They still licked his ass. Jaramogi or the Odinga family stole no land from the Luo. Jaramogi did not oath Luos. Kenyatta oathed Kikuyus. Luos willingly side with the Odinga family largely because it addresses their political aspirations. Kikuyus are compelled (b oaths or social and political pressure) to vote as their top tell them.

Odinga stole Mollases plant land and odipo farm from Luos its on record , Refer to Ndungu report . Now compare that to Luo Nyanza and Odinga ,In their whole life time they have voted as stipulated by Odinga family . They abhorred Uhuru but once Raila told them to support him due to handshake he is their best buddy now 


So how do they chart their way when Michuki is sent to name Uhuru as the new Kingpin? They are now in doldrums which Ruto is stupidly too slow to exploit as they wait to be told who the next Kingpin is.
Even with Michukis endorsement if Uhuru would have decided to side with Raila Mt Kenya would vote against Uhuru - The referendum is coming you wil attest to this   

I will dissect the rest of your excreta later.

Baradhuli wewe!

Pajero, more like Uhuru and his henchmen, Gema didnt go with Uhuru in 2002 referendum  and 2002 (Only parts of Kiambu) In 2007 and 2013 - Uhuru had to make an about turn and follow GEMA .

FYI unlike Luo Nyanza who have been held ransom by Odinga family , Gema charts its way forward . Uhuru without Ruto would not have won 2013 and 2017 elections , secondly Uhurus 2017 victory was been taken away right through his face . Ruto managed to stop the coup d etat right ats its bud .ODM tried but in vain to divide Mt Kenya and Rift valley in 2013  and 2017  byt in vain . This one too is an exercise in vain as long Raila will be on the ballot in  2022. If he decided to throw in the towel then politics will change all together   
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