COVID is a world BBI

[Kim Jong-Un's Pajama Pants]

The Swiss were transparent. They don't test unless you're in the risky group. You call about fever etc - and they ask your questions - and tell you to sit or sleep it. It rational way - to stop health care system from collapsing. There are so many ICUS and respirators.

Forget about insurance and money now - ICUs are just not enough - even if you have billion dollars. Maybe the rich need to build their ICUs and buy respirators.

You won't believe this, but it is still almost impossible to get a test in the US.  Even people with symptoms are not getting them, until it becomes unbearable.  I don't understand what the big deal is.  But I suspect it has great deal to with America's convoluted health insurance system.  It could just be down to who is gonna pay for it.

Either way, it means that the only people getting tested - apart from the famous and well connected - are sick people and often seriously so.  The result is you are to get misleading(or unhelpful) figures about things like mortality rate for those with covid-19.

Agreed.  Ultimately, you want to avoid putting a strain on healthcare resources.  Let them deal with real sick bodies, rather than reassign people because of some nasty numbers about positives.

[Nefertiti]

This is what I meant by the pros of communist iron rule. Xi can isolate the weaklings bila wasi wasi - as the strong get back to work. The West with bickering over everything including economic stimulus package finds it tougher to deal with emergency.

Now we are in agreement. The media and word out there does not make DIFFERENCE between being positive and being sick and being hospitalized because of Coronavirus. The hype is that "you positive, therefore the virus and sickness and deaths are spreading in equal measure.."

If Americans aren't testing unless its called for, then I would support such an approach.  Why go round the country testing anyone and everyone? Of course 'positives' will increase the more tests are conducted but that doesn't say very much. Like are they sick? What age? Do they have other conditions? Any symptoms? Do they require hospitalization?

Eventually the only way out is Trump way: you cannot have a cure which is worse. Especially when hard cold facts/analysis does not support current distorted of facts. The Brits had suggested "herd immunity" concept where the government would isolate the most vulnerable especially the elderly and then let life goes on. Some would then get sick to the point of being hospitalized but they would be not as many. As a result the population would attain "herd immunity" and issue resolves. But the hysterical media/leftists/globalists went bonkers and BoJo had to tow the line. In the next 2 weeks countries will realize the obvious; STOP PANICKING!

Testing is still hard to come by in the US.  In many cases it has to come through a recommendation from your doctor.  In other words, there is still no meaningful attempt here to track the spread of covid-19 through wide-spread random testing.  On that basis alone, and with the current numbers, it seems reasonable to conclude the US is already the epicenter(and probably has been that way for a good while).  It's almost as if they are refusing to know in order to avoid that distinction. https://www.bing.com/covid

Then there is the reporting. The reports are of a "spreading" pandemic.  Why is this a big deal?  You can't know if/how something is spreading if you don't carry out enough random tests. Otherwise you conflate spreading positive tests for a spreading virus.  If I test 5 people with 1 positive one day and 20 people with 3 positives the next day, I get more results of infected people.  Yet, it can also mean the infections are under control.  But the media is just putting out whatever numbers it gets as "new infections" rather than new confirmed tests.  Very confusing if you are pedantic about numbers.

For a second there, I am almost agreeing with Trump(very scary) on a declaration of victory and reopening the country.

[Kim Jong-Un's Pajama Pants]

I am still not trusting what's coming out of China.  They are not above fudging numbers.  Same with Russia.

[Garliv]

Looks like everyone is fudging numbers. Herebelow a link for US National Centre for Health Statistics Mortality Survey which has numbers for total deaths. And for Flu and Pneumonia. If one goes through the chart then the question is "where all all these EXCESS deaths as a result of Coronovirus?"
https://gis.cdc.gov/grasp/fluview/mortality.html

One of the Chieftain of MSM Financial Times is also now being puzzled by mysterious numbers on this Coronovirus

https://www.ft.com/content/f3796baf-e4f0-4862-8887-d09c7f706553

NovelCoronavirus is indeed a mystery!

I am still not trusting what's coming out of China.  They are not above fudging numbers.  Same with Russia.

[Nefertiti]

I don't think everyone is fudging numbers if they can tell us the Crown Prince, the PM and the Heath Secretary are infected. The Europeans are more honest.

[Garliv]

Looks like almost all of UK government is infected. A way of telling people "we are together?" Throw in some celebrities. Am even surprised Trump or Obama hasn't come up with positive test. Sorry call me a conspiracy theorists but am really skeptical of some of these claims. And they will all recover or be the first to volunteer for some vaccine....

Europeans and Americans fudge numbers to "increase" and use Coronavirus to advance some agenda especially the media. Interestingly, EU official data and statistics and also US official statistics are "more honest" and do not support current hysteria.

Chinese official statistics are fairly dependable though there has been claims of underreporting deaths and infections. Some urns are shown as evidence. Truly China has a motive to understate its numbers as China seek to project "a successful country ready to deal with anything...."

I don't think everyone is fudging numbers if they can tell us the Crown Prince, the PM and the Heath Secretary are infected. The Europeans are more honest.

[Kim Jong-Un's Pajama Pants]

Looks like everyone is fudging numbers. Herebelow a link for US National Centre for Health Statistics Mortality Survey which has numbers for total deaths. And for Flu and Pneumonia. If one goes through the chart then the question is "where all all these EXCESS deaths as a result of Coronovirus?"
https://gis.cdc.gov/grasp/fluview/mortality.html

One of the Chieftain of MSM Financial Times is also now being puzzled by mysterious numbers on this Coronovirus

https://www.ft.com/content/f3796baf-e4f0-4862-8887-d09c7f706553

NovelCoronavirus is indeed a mystery!

I am still not trusting what's coming out of China.  They are not above fudging numbers.  Same with Russia.

I will admit I don't know.  But that's not the same as saying I agree there is none.  When you have to put bodies into a refrigerated 18 wheeler, you are likely not looking at a run of the mill mortality of people who were gonna die anyway.

But I do agree there is some confusion.  It could just be a panic induced overloading and stretching of healthcare resources.  A huge part of it is because right now we are looking at live moving figures. 

That kind of question can only be answered after things have settled down and the number experts pore over universally accepted figures.  Maybe a year from now.  But now is the time for paranoia.  Do whatever you can to avoid ending up in a body bag at the back of a refrigerated truck.

[Garliv]

Truthfully stated. There is a lot of confusion which i believe is deliberately and consciously being fanned. And one of the best way to avoid being in a body bag courtesy of Coronavirus is to have correct and useful information. Today's press conference by Kagwe was a bit useful. He asked those in Nairobi and other towns to avoid visiting their rural homes. As majority of the old/elderly live in shags. Reason being that its the elderly who are most vulnerable when infected by the virus. At least this makes sense. And its what should have said from the beginning; not just spreading panic.
Then there should be some information on nutrition and measures to boost immunity.  Even advising people to take lemon water is at least helpful. Then people should be aware that being infected does not mean death. Indeed majority may not even have any symptoms at all. And for the rest, very few would need to be rushed to the ICU. But what we have is pure paranoia and panic. A lady was almost lynched along parklands Road as she was in a Matatu then she felt urge to cough; the passengers and tout and driver ejected her from the vehicle. My neighbour, who has been having seasonal coughs/colds since i knew him  last week called MoH hotlines and they arrived in an ambulance. Turned out it was just his usual cough... Its drama out there.   Woe unto anyone suspected of having corona; they will be abandoned and written off to die.

Finally, eventually this virus will infect millions or even over 1B maybe including me and you and other people we may know. But that doesn't mean anyone should panic. There is so much misinformation and that's what am against. 

I will admit I don't know.  But that's not the same as saying I agree there is none.  When you have to put bodies into a refrigerated 18 wheeler, you are likely not looking at a run of the mill mortality of people who were gonna die anyway.

But I do agree there is some confusion.  It could just be a panic induced overloading and stretching of healthcare resources.  A huge part of it is because right now we are looking at live moving figures. 

That kind of question can only be answered after things have settled down and the number experts pore over universally accepted figures.  Maybe a year from now.  But now is the time for paranoia.  Do whatever you can to avoid ending up in a body bag at the back of a refrigerated truck.