Msando, kenei and Juma

[Kichwa]

I do remember those days and although they never came to pass, they were probably more realistic than the bubble you are living in right now.  The good thing is that we will not have to argue this point too long because the stalemate between Ouru and Ruto is not sustainable for too long. Something will give and we know its Ruto.

Every time I remember your online treatise about how  Kibaki was preparing the way for Raila - I can't help but chuckle. Raila naivety mirrors Jaramogi. You need a killer instinct, you need to be strategic and you need to be very tactical to win this. AND YOU NEED A LOT OF MONEY . Raila failed in 2007 and then failed again in 2013 running against ICC indicted person. His friends at the foreign embassy have yet to recover.

Now when it comes to Ruto - watch the son of the gun nick it. Honestly at this point time - I was thinking Ruto would real need Uhuru to do his part and campaign for Ruto in GEMA land. I never imagine a situation where Ruto would need Uhuru to stay home

You underestimate Ruto but he has done so much work to get here. For the first time the prospect of power leaving GEMA is very real. It looks at least to be either Raila (just for laughs) or Ruto. All thanks to the hard work of Ruto who meticulously worked for this.

What we are facing is the usual orphans - of outgoing power - scared and trying to figure out a way and a future. GEMA people are militantly pro-Ruto.

Ruto (to quote him) is like a warrior who went to raid successfully 100 miles away and is driving the cows home -  with desperate cow owners following the cows trying to take them back - Ruto told kalenjin a warrior cannot be 'assisted' or 'escorted' to drive home the cows - after he has battled that long and hard.

Kenya and the entire African countries are relatively new to western style politics and one can study Machiavelli all they want but experience is the better teacher.  What we have learnt in Kenya is that a King Maker with the ambition of getting rewarded with the presidency is day dreaming. One should think of other kinds of rewards as a kingmaker but not future presidency.  Jaramogi, Njonjo, Raila and now Ruto were all king makers who are yet to become kings. If a king maker is to reach the presidency, its going to be through other means and not as a reward from the current King. Ruto is damaged goods and he can forget the presidency.  He has alienated too many Kenyans.  We told folks here that someone promising another a presidency of a country in 10 years time is like someone promising to sell you the famous Brooklyn Bridge for a dollar. It was so obvious to us looking through the window but Kales were on cloud nine and could not think rationally.  They thought Ruto at that time was invincible.  Luos had been there twice and therefore Orengo was able to predict what was going to happen with surprising accuracy in "the government eats its own children" speech. 

RV Pundit and others got the political future so wrong is because they did not have the discipline to appreciate all the moving parts of politics. They just hold everything constant and then made a rosy prediction based on their wishes.  The reality is that there are so many moving parts and some of those moving parts are not even obvious to us.  Ruto used to boast that "tumejipanga", what he did not realize is that "kujipanga" requires one to hold everything else constant.  He seriously underestimated the other moving parts. He is done. You can pork him with a fork.

[Nefertiti]

Pundit this thread and others you have started on PEV 2 shows you don't believe your own words and brave face.

[Nefertiti]

Muturi proposes RSA-style parliamentary

https://www.standardmedia.co.ke/article/2001363688/muturi-post-poll-deals-between-losers-winners-a-sham

[patel]

Robina, after a thorough review I think PEV might be a blessing to reset Moi 24 yrs of pillaging and a golden chance to purge incompetent thieves from civil society. This would offer the country a golden opportunity to start fresh.

Pundit this thread and others you have started on PEV 2 shows you don't believe your own words and brave face.

[Kim Jong-Un's Pajama Pants]

Muturi proposes RSA-style parliamentary

https://www.standardmedia.co.ke/article/2001363688/muturi-post-poll-deals-between-losers-winners-a-sham

I thought that was more radical than SA  The guy was talking of no constitutional boundaries.  What kind of system is that?

[patel]

That fool is acting like elections are fair in kenya. The main reason for those elections Negotiations is electoral theft. Winners dont have numbers. How can they govern?

Muturi proposes RSA-style parliamentary

https://www.standardmedia.co.ke/article/2001363688/muturi-post-poll-deals-between-losers-winners-a-sham

[Nefertiti]

Muturi proposes RSA-style parliamentary

https://www.standardmedia.co.ke/article/2001363688/muturi-post-poll-deals-between-losers-winners-a-sham

I thought that was more radical than SA  The guy was talking of no constitutional boundaries.  What kind of system is that?

It is a useless "parliamentary" model where unelected PORK is also not accountable to MPs. Exactly RSA. A raw deal but I bet that is what Uhuru wants.

[Wa Njambi]

Delusion. Handshake will turn out to be the best catwalk to enable Uhuru to finish his term in peace as he hands over to Ruto. If you think Uhuru would give a hand to Raila, you are dizzy...wishes are not horses. UK will turn out to be the biggest mf liar. He can't betray Ruto and he cannot never ever bring Rao to president or PM Never Ever Just in case. The thing I am worried about i s how ODM will react when the finally discover the plot...I don't want to be anywhere never. Robina, I love you but this is the truth...you better start preparing yourself emotionally. I know that we live to fight again...as long as we let Raila get away with not knowing how to accept a lost election...that's our ONLY problem. When are we going to face the truth. BBI, National Dialogue, etc is conversation with muguruki...and when you engage madness to a conversation, you need bangi to appear to make sense.

1 and 2 will definitely occur in different proportions. A significant Gema number will snub Ruto first due to Kiraitus and Waigurus. Second Uhuru 2.0. Thirdly people don't like coercion so the apparent inevitability of war is bad for Ruto. Kikuyu and other RV diaspora voted Kibaki in 97 and 02 despite 92.

I see Gema falling into Raila grasp or at least going anti-Kalenjin in case of PEV. Same as the other RV diaspora. Raila of course would relish the opportunity to be Gema savior.

The problem I see - Kalenjin has never been this united - and secondly Kalenjin have youth implosion without jobs or land - and with the hangover of pastoralist disdain for manual labor - and that is a powerkeg. It a bomb that will explode 1) if gema betrays Ruto -for them it done deal - they have deni - ignore Ruto niceties- or 2) Ruto is rigged out.

[RV Pundit]

It's a strange proposal coming all sudden from Muturi. Yes It could be Uhuru's - coz Muturi is part of Uhuru inner circle since KANU days. or It could just be Muturi going wild like everyone.

It is a useless "parliamentary" model where unelected PORK is also not accountable to MPs. Exactly RSA. A raw deal but I bet that is what Uhuru wants.

[Nefertiti]

To be clear this is not what I have been calling for. RSA is a sham where they are denied direct vote for president yet do not get the benefit of parliamentary accountability. Kenya needs parliamentary proper - the tasking variety that made Theresa May quit in frustration over Brexit after just 3 years.  If Uhuru is lazy and can't hack it he steps down for his coalition deputy. Make it a JOB - not a crowning - and jokers will keep off.

It's a strange proposal coming all sudden from Muturi. Yes It could be Uhuru's - coz Muturi is part of Uhuru inner circle since KANU days. or It could just be Muturi going wild like everyone.

It is a useless "parliamentary" model where unelected PORK is also not accountable to MPs. Exactly RSA. A raw deal but I bet that is what Uhuru wants.