We should have 50-50 gender parity

[Nefertiti]

The heart of democracy is one man or woman one vote.That is foundation of any democracy. The tinkering should never alter the core and make a mockery of democracy by pre selected half the candidates.

It's still one man one vote with affirmative action. You're conflating to justify your bias.

[Kim Jong-Un's Pajama Pants]

The heart of democracy is one man or woman one vote.That is foundation of any democracy. The tinkering should never alter the core and make a mockery of democracy by pre selected half the candidates.

It's still one man one vote with affirmative action. You're conflating to justify your bias.

Yep.  It's just a vote for a group rather than an individual.

[patel]

Democracy dies in deception.  Rigged elections.  for once let us not kid ourselves that Kenya is a democracy. It's not. Until we have free and fair elections starting with nominations,  enjoy fruits of poisoned tree. Fix the system first then introduce gender parity.

[Nefertiti]

Democracy dies in deception.  Rigged elections.  for once let us not kid ourselves that Kenya is a democracy. It's not. Until we have free and fair elections starting with nominations,  enjoy fruits of poisoned tree. Fix the system first then introduce gender parity.

Spoken like ten wise men.

[Nefertiti]

The heart of democracy is one man or woman one vote.That is foundation of any democracy. The tinkering should never alter the core and make a mockery of democracy by pre selected half the candidates.

It's still one man one vote with affirmative action. You're conflating to justify your bias.

Yep.  It's just a vote for a group rather than an individual.

If you give Pundit or any anti-parity ideologue - an external scenario like SA apartheid - or Israel-Palestine inhuman madness - he emphatically accepts dictionary "merit" cannot work. No keejerks about democracy or one-man-one-vote. But raise gender - WOMAN - and he does an ideological somersault - the mental barrier snaps up. When 90% of MPs are male - is that not inequality of the vote? One-man-9-votes..

[Nefertiti]

Pundit read in Class 6 Civics - democracy is one man one vote - anything else is dictatorship or a sham. It's called conservativism - or nostalgic anti reform - folks who want to conserve the status quo.

[RV Pundit]

The heart of democracy is one man or woman one vote.That is foundation of any democracy. The tinkering should never alter the core and make a mockery of democracy by pre selected half the candidates.

It's still one man one vote with affirmative action. You're conflating to justify your bias.

I don't think your understand this.The aim of affarmative action is to get where you want..50-50 (100% gender parity) without compromising principles (democracy) or standards.Affarmative action are supposed to give you a little push as we work to remove the structural and systemic constraints stopping women or blacks or transgender or Aboriginal or any minority without compromising standards...the goal cannot be achieved now by ordering 50-50 instant coffee or whatever the ultimate goal is.I mean your ideas were by tried communist and they failed.They didn't create a equal society.They destroyed the society.I am okay with reserving some positions for women like woman mps..small percentage..but ultimately we must remain true to democratic ideal of one man one vote.The rigging and others issues like violence need to be addressed..women eventually will achieve parity like they did in schools.You don't make exams easy to pass so women can pass.That is crazy.

[RV Pundit]

Pundit read in Class 6 Civics - democracy is one man one vote - anything else is dictatorship or a sham. It's called conservativism - or nostalgic anti reform - folks who want to conserve the status quo.

you're obtuse and you don't even realize it.I keep telling you my thinking cap city is about twice yours but you don't even get it.I understand these more deeply than you do.Your simplistic ideas ought to be dismissed with scorn but I am taking my time to school you.

[Nefertiti]

Pundit the arbitor of smart - your name literally mean hubris.  You masqueraded here as genius - 15 years - until I exposed the lack of substance.

[Nefertiti]

The heart of democracy is one man or woman one vote.That is foundation of any democracy. The tinkering should never alter the core and make a mockery of democracy by pre selected half the candidates.

It's still one man one vote with affirmative action. You're conflating to justify your bias.

I don't think your understand this.The aim of affarmative action is to get where you want..50-50 (100% gender parity) without compromising principles (democracy) or standards.Affarmative action are supposed to give you a little push as we work to remove the structural and systemic constraints stopping women or blacks or transgender or Aboriginal or any minority without compromising standards...the goal cannot be achieved now by ordering 50-50 instant coffee or whatever the ultimate goal is.I mean your ideas were by tried communist and they failed.They didn't create a equal society.They destroyed the society.I am okay with reserving some positions for women like woman mps..small percentage..but ultimately we must remain true to democratic ideal of one man one vote.The rigging and others issues like violence need to be addressed..women eventually will achieve parity like they did in schools.You don't make exams easy to pass so women can pass.That is crazy.

One quick test of the validity or soundness of your views - is present to a jury of your peers for review - how many hereon this thread agree with you?

[RV Pundit]

The heart of democracy is one man or woman one vote.That is foundation of any democracy. The tinkering should never alter the core and make a mockery of democracy by pre selected half the candidates.

It's still one man one vote with affirmative action. You're conflating to justify your bias.

I don't think your understand this.The aim of affarmative action is to get where you want..50-50 (100% gender parity) without compromising principles (democracy) or standards.Affarmative action are supposed to give you a little push as we work to remove the structural and systemic constraints stopping women or blacks or transgender or Aboriginal or any minority without compromising standards...the goal cannot be achieved now by ordering 50-50 instant coffee or whatever the ultimate goal is.I mean your ideas were by tried communist and they failed.They didn't create a equal society.They destroyed the society.I am okay with reserving some positions for women like woman mps..small percentage..but ultimately we must remain true to democratic ideal of one man one vote.The rigging and others issues like violence need to be addressed..women eventually will achieve parity like they did in schools.You don't make exams easy to pass so women can pass.That is crazy.

One quick test of the validity or soundness of your views - is present to a jury of your peers for review - how many hereon this thread agree with you?

You now want a vote.So you want democracy to choose whose idea is better...about we go 50-50 for gender parity

[Nefertiti]

The heart of democracy is one man or woman one vote.That is foundation of any democracy. The tinkering should never alter the core and make a mockery of democracy by pre selected half the candidates.

It's still one man one vote with affirmative action. You're conflating to justify your bias.

I don't think your understand this.The aim of affarmative action is to get where you want..50-50 (100% gender parity) without compromising principles (democracy) or standards.Affarmative action are supposed to give you a little push as we work to remove the structural and systemic constraints stopping women or blacks or transgender or Aboriginal or any minority without compromising standards...the goal cannot be achieved now by ordering 50-50 instant coffee or whatever the ultimate goal is.I mean your ideas were by tried communist and they failed.They didn't create a equal society.They destroyed the society.I am okay with reserving some positions for women like woman mps..small percentage..but ultimately we must remain true to democratic ideal of one man one vote.The rigging and others issues like violence need to be addressed..women eventually will achieve parity like they did in schools.You don't make exams easy to pass so women can pass.That is crazy.

One quick test of the validity or soundness of your views - is present to a jury of your peers for review - how many hereon this thread agree with you?

You now want a vote.So you want democracy to choose whose idea is better...about we go 50-50 for gender parity

Unlike the troublesome Patriarchal Democracy this board has some modicum of merit. Even the token 1/3 Quota the men have refused to implement was sanctioned by popular suffrage.

[RV Pundit]

30% is aspirational..very ambitious...we need to aim for it before 50-50.The Kenyan society is changing.Look at education..we have achieved gender parity in both enrollment and performance. Women are also nearly getting there in job market. Matter of time before women in political leadership rises. Ruto may give Waiguru the running mate and we may have women president before say USA.

[Nefertiti]

30% is aspirational..very ambitious...we need to aim for it before 50-50.The Kenyan society is changing.Look at education..we have achieved gender parity in both enrollment and performance. Women are also nearly getting there in job market. Matter of time before women in political leadership rises. Ruto may give Waiguru the running mate and we may have women president before say USA.

Picking Waiguru is a hanging fruit for Ruto - the ladies would line up - regardless of the stench in that combo. It's that important to us. Education has happened due to lowering the bar - literally - women join college at lower cluster. The same thing you oppose in Parliament. 1/3 aspiration is not timeless - SCORK set it at 5 years from promulgation - we should have had it yesterday and Duale's pretend effort fools noone.

[RV Pundit]

I am talking basic education.At higher education the bar was lowered slightly.You want the bar basically dropped so low any one can jump over it.Women leadership will surely catch up with men
...matter of time..in any case if you can't get 30% what makes you think 50% is achievable now.One day women will achieve parity in true democracy that respect one man or woman one vote.We need to adopt Uganda approach who've been here longer ..where gender compliance is measured and tracked...in all gov institutions..and certificate issued annaully.That is the start  of knowing the depth of problem m

[RV Pundit]

Robina...the experience of counties n Senate nomination dominated by women undeserving and unqualified should tell you that idea won't work.Those women contribute nothing and are regularly ignored.They are just decorations.We need women of substance.Not just women.Women who've met the bar set by the vote.

[Nefertiti]

Robina...the experience of counties n Senate nomination dominated by women undeserving and unqualified should tell you that idea won't work.Those women contribute nothing and are regularly ignored.They are just decorations.We need women of substance.Not just women.Women who've met the bar set by the vote.

The dicy "merit" argument again just rephrased. A non-starter. Party Lists - MMPR - with transparent rules say like CS or judge appointment std - degree, integrity, DCI, etc clearance. Fix the rules - don't throw away the baby with the bath water.

[Nefertiti]

I am talking basic education.At higher education the bar was lowered slightly.You want the bar basically dropped so low any one can jump over it.Women leadership will surely catch up with men
...matter of time..in any case if you can't get 30% what makes you think 50% is achievable now.One day women will achieve parity in true democracy that respect one man or woman one vote.We need to adopt Uganda approach who've been here longer ..where gender compliance is measured and tracked...in all gov institutions..and certificate issued annaully.That is the start  of knowing the depth of problem m

Basic education, Uganda, Rwanda,  the UK - any of the examples you pick would have been aided by AFFIRMATIVE ACTION. The UK has nomination party lists - the parties meet a Quota in the primaries - unlike the corrupt, violent madness you have in Kenya. Basic education - you have Kibaki mandatory FPE enforced by chiefs, FGM criminalized and efficiently policed - the big, long firm GoK hand is at the center of it. That same hand is needed now in Parliament.

[veritas]

Robina...the experience of counties n Senate nomination dominated by women undeserving and unqualified should tell you that idea won't work.Those women contribute nothing and are regularly ignored.They are just decorations.We need women of substance.Not just women.Women who've met the bar set by the vote.

RVP, you should know better.

Substance? Their job is to look pretty and women do that better than men.

The point of having diversity is to foster broader representation and has little to do with substance. Much like actors acting.

If you're into right wing patriarchy than I allude you to the bible and the tower of babel. Man tried to build the tallest ivory tower to reach God and God went angry. Crushed it and scattered everyone with different languages so it can't happen. The same way God created Adam & Eve to lay dominion over other species, who are we to deny representation?