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Re: Uhuru men cannot take on Ruto.
« Reply #40 on: March 13, 2019, 05:42:52 PM »
Pundit, no I don't "hate" Ruto. That's too strong. I don't invest in politicians, I just don't support him as the panacea now. I have no horse but Raila is the only worthy opponent and as your boy says the best ideas and player will prevail. Iko nini tena?

My issue is this: economy strategy is a longterm game - so we cannot dismiss models. I just showed you Chinese merits - can you explain how Kenya can overcome them so we can adapt that model?

1. DUO public + private driven combo. You propose only public driven. How do we fix our private? With their mega bank and massive cheap private lending - and our credit crunch - we are OPPOSITE to their model.

2. EXPORT revenues fund China's public spending - debt-to-GDP 16% - you are happy with massive borrowing. Our exports have shrunk under Jubilee - the OPPOSITE of China.

3. STABILITY - communist dictatorship. This is impossible with elections and democracy - Ruto would only have 10yrs no matter how efficient - Kagame/Meles had 20+. Xi Jin Ping just became lifetime Chinese Czar. Again...

We are OPPOSITE to China MODEL.
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Re: Uhuru men cannot take on Ruto.
« Reply #41 on: March 13, 2019, 05:56:29 PM »
I think for me when we are discussing gov - we are talking public sector. I don't think Gov should do anything special to private sector. It should be left on it's own. What Gov owes to private sector, private individuals and citizens is gov services. It owes them excellent roads, railways, ports and such services. It owes them good policies, laws and regulations. Its owes the young (under 18), the disabled, the old, the poor and vulnerable some social services that they cannot possible pay - in education, health, housing and such basic needs.

I dare say gov should not even think about growing the economy. It should think about this like a day job to do - provide like 60 services - 20 by counties - and 40 - by national gov. And it should do that job as excellently as it can.

When gov does that - they will grow the economy without even intending to. I want Ruto if elected to commit to provide the best goverment services by bridging infrastructure & social deficit, it should also continue to reduce gov bottlenecks and red-tape as reflected in "Ease of Doing" business, it should ensure police & security organs are doing their job, and then leave rest to market economy & common sense.

You don't need to be nudged to open a factory when there are good roads & railways to transport raw materials, enough cheap electricity to manufacture and finally market to sell finished goods.  It should be non-event. No ceremony would be needed because companies out there are looking for opportunities to invest out there.

I want gov to come back and say we had 15% of all our roads paved - now we have 90% of our roads paved. We had 30% of our citizen connected to electricity - now we have everyone connected. We had like 30% of our citizen & firms with clean piped water - now we have everyone with piped clean water. We had like 10% under NHIF - now we have universal healthcare.

We just need a report card on how gov is doing in it's functions.

Once they focus on doing their job - the economy will grow. Just like you, companies and me do not go thinking we need to grow the economy by  6% - we have a job to do and we do it the best we can.


Pundit, no I don't "hate" Ruto. That's too strong. I don't invest in politicians, I just don't support him as the panacea now. I have no horse but Raila is the only worthy opponent and as your boy says the best ideas and player will prevail. Iko nini tena?

My issue is this: economy strategy is a longterm game - so we cannot dismiss models. I just showed you Chinese merits - can you explain how Kenya can overcome them so we can adapt that model?

1. DUO public + private driven combo. You propose only public driven. How do we fix our private? With their mega bank and massive cheap private lending - and our credit crunch - we are OPPOSITE to their model.

2. EXPORT revenues fund China's public spending - debt-to-GDP 16% - you are happy with massive borrowing. Our exports have shrunk under Jubilee - the OPPOSITE of China.

3. STABILITY - communist dictatorship. This is impossible with elections and democracy - Ruto would only have 10yrs no matter how efficient - Kagame/Meles had 20+. Xi Jin Ping just became lifetime Chinese Czar. Again...

We are OPPOSITE to China MODEL.


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Re: Uhuru men cannot take on Ruto.
« Reply #42 on: March 13, 2019, 06:29:11 PM »
OMENA IN THE POND CALLED KENYA.

I think for me when we are discussing gov - we are talking public sector. I don't think Gov should do anything special to private sector. It should be left on it's own. What Gov owes to private sector, private individuals and citizens is gov services. It owes them excellent roads, railways, ports and such services. It owes them good policies, laws and regulations. Its owes the young (under 18), the disabled, the old, the poor and vulnerable some social services that they cannot possible pay - in education, health, housing and such basic needs.

I dare say gov should not even think about growing the economy. It should think about this like a day job to do - provide like 60 services - 20 by counties - and 40 - by national gov. And it should do that job as excellently as it can.

When gov does that - they will grow the economy without even intending to. I want Ruto if elected to commit to provide the best goverment services by bridging infrastructure & social deficit, it should also continue to reduce gov bottlenecks and red-tape as reflected in "Ease of Doing" business, it should ensure police & security organs are doing their job, and then leave rest to market economy & common sense.

You don't need to be nudged to open a factory when there are good roads & railways to transport raw materials, enough cheap electricity to manufacture and finally market to sell finished goods.  It should be non-event. No ceremony would be needed because companies out there are looking for opportunities to invest out there.

I want gov to come back and say we had 15% of all our roads paved - now we have 90% of our roads paved. We had 30% of our citizen connected to electricity - now we have everyone connected. We had like 30% of our citizen & firms with clean piped water - now we have everyone with piped clean water. We had like 10% under NHIF - now we have universal healthcare.

We just need a report card on how gov is doing in it's functions.

Once they focus on doing their job - the economy will grow. Just like you, companies and me do not go thinking we need to grow the economy by  6% - we have a job to do and we do it the best we can.


Pundit, no I don't "hate" Ruto. That's too strong. I don't invest in politicians, I just don't support him as the panacea now. I have no horse but Raila is the only worthy opponent and as your boy says the best ideas and player will prevail. Iko nini tena?

My issue is this: economy strategy is a longterm game - so we cannot dismiss models. I just showed you Chinese merits - can you explain how Kenya can overcome them so we can adapt that model?

1. DUO public + private driven combo. You propose only public driven. How do we fix our private? With their mega bank and massive cheap private lending - and our credit crunch - we are OPPOSITE to their model.

2. EXPORT revenues fund China's public spending - debt-to-GDP 16% - you are happy with massive borrowing. Our exports have shrunk under Jubilee - the OPPOSITE of China.

3. STABILITY - communist dictatorship. This is impossible with elections and democracy - Ruto would only have 10yrs no matter how efficient - Kagame/Meles had 20+. Xi Jin Ping just became lifetime Chinese Czar. Again...

We are OPPOSITE to China MODEL.

♫♫ They say all good boys go to heaven... but bad boys bring heaven to you ~ song by Julia Michaels

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Re: Uhuru men cannot take on Ruto.
« Reply #43 on: March 13, 2019, 06:38:45 PM »
By the way Pundit I don't think the crew here are petty enough to hate on leaders. (Expect maybe Kadudu and Termie?) Ruto is demonstrably brilliant and capable. Raila equally has a track record of ideals as in we know what he's about. I wish we could have a noise-free public debate Ruto vs Raila - efficiency vs integrity - conservative vs liberal - 2-tier v 3-tier - etc. Riffraff like Uhuru and Madvd should just drop dead.
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Re: Uhuru men cannot take on Ruto.
« Reply #44 on: March 13, 2019, 06:45:31 PM »
Whom do I hate? Dislike, yes practically the whole Kenyan elite not only politicians. I cannot remember having abused even the biggest looters.

Infact given a choice of Uhuru extending his tenure as PM I would rather have a Ruto presidency knowing very well it will be anoter Arap Moi regime II. Why can't we just get rid of all the present leadership and try something else even if it is Miguna Miguna? :D

By the way Pundit I don't think the calibre here are petty enough to hate on leaders. (Expect maybe Kadudu and Termie?) Ruto is demonstrably brilliant and capable. Raila equally has a track record of ideals as in we know what he's about. I wish we could have a noise-free public debate Ruto vs Ruto - efficiency vs integrity - conservative vs liberal - 2-tier v 3-tier - etc. Riffraff like Uhuru and Madvd should just drop dead.

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Re: Uhuru men cannot take on Ruto.
« Reply #45 on: March 13, 2019, 06:56:49 PM »
All in jest  :) I don't agree corruption is the biggest cause of poverty. Rather our leadership or governance and the citizenship as a WHOLE. So besides the wishes and horses you want - Obama or the Pope or Miguna would actually not fix Kenya in 10 or 20 years. Development has many factors and leadership is only one of them. Let us continue the debate and other healthy discourse.

Whom do I hate? Dislike, yes practically the whole Kenyan elite not only politicians. I cannot remember having abused even the biggest looters.

Infact given a choice of Uhuru extending his tenure as PM I would rather have a Ruto presidency knowing very well it will be anoter Arap Moi regime II. Why can't we just get rid of all the present leadership and try something else even if it is Miguna Miguna? :D

By the way Pundit I don't think the calibre here are petty enough to hate on leaders. (Expect maybe Kadudu and Termie?) Ruto is demonstrably brilliant and capable. Raila equally has a track record of ideals as in we know what he's about. I wish we could have a noise-free public debate Ruto vs Ruto - efficiency vs integrity - conservative vs liberal - 2-tier v 3-tier - etc. Riffraff like Uhuru and Madvd should just drop dead.
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Re: Uhuru men cannot take on Ruto.
« Reply #46 on: March 13, 2019, 07:00:32 PM »
Ruto is indeed a Moi with PHD. I think Moi would have been great PORK if it wasn't for his poor education.Moi for his limited education - did an okay job if you compare him with his peers in Africa. He could have become Mengistu or Mobutu or Obote or name them...but he choose to generally stick to the law and be a democrat about it.

As for Miguna Miguna - or other great candidates out there - you have to win MCA sit first and get the people there excited enough to make your MP - then work your way to become say Minister or CS or Leader of parliament - then work you way to be Senator or Governor - or work you way to become leader of your tribe - then you can think about leading a nation.

There are few Obamas or trumps out there - even Obama had been mps for many years - but in politics like in any proffesion - you can just come from nowhere and become the top dog.

Kadudu how do you feel if I came and became the Chief Engineer of your company - with zero experience? Will political players respect you - or you;ll just become another outsider like Trump.

The problem we have is lack of smart career politicians - Obama went into politics in 20s - Ruto in 20s - even Uhuru - because this is a career like any other - then you work your way slowly up.

Managing a country requires LOTS OF EXPERIENCE.

In this regard I am really happy about Kalenjin nations investment in 20yr old politicians - we have so many 30yr old governors- other regions need to copy that - and we won't have Raila at 80 yrs and barely able to function - still holding the hopes of all Luos.

Infact given a choice of Uhuru extending his tenure as PM I would rather have a Ruto presidency knowing very well it will be anoter Arap Moi regime II. Why can't we just get rid of all the present leadership and try something else even if it is Miguna Miguna? :D