NASWA's Next Major Announcement: Korti Bandia

[vooke]

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About 18 days from now and it will dismiss Judiciary as an appendage of the Executive, curse the judges for auctioning  Kenya's future for 30 pieces of cowrie shells

[Kadame6]

Evidence or none, I doubt there is any NASA supporter who believes the court could change the result. I already said to Robina last week I thought going to court was a complete waste of time. This is because I religiously followed the 2013 case and came to that conclusion. NASA may have zero evidence, but even if they had tonnes, the court wouldnt do anything. And who is the idiot that would in a post Msando world? I certainly wouldnt. Just like I used to say I thought the people who gave evidence of PEV were very brave and stupid souls. I wouldnt do that for anything in a country like this. Might as well testify against Al Capone.

[vooke]

I have never seen how hacking servers would affect a manual process. I take it to be a sensationalist barking; stuffing ballots is so 1960s as opposed to servers,algorithms,programming,hacking...

It's a good thing IEBC denied them access to their servers. Now they can only obtain access under a court order and with at least part of their petition covering the hacking angle. This will give IEBC and Jubilee lawyers an easy time dismantling their wild claims.

[vooke]

Evidence or none, I doubt there is any NASA supporter who believes the court could change the result. I already said to Robina last week I thought going to court was a complete waste of time. This is because I religiously followed the 2013 case and came to that conclusion. NASA may have zero evidence, but even if they had tonnes, the court wouldnt do anything. And who is the idiot that would in a post Msando world? I certainly wouldnt. Just like I used to say I thought the people who gave evidence of PEV were very brave and stupid souls. I wouldnt do that for anything in a country like this. Might as well testify against Al Capone.

I agree with you for different reasons.
The courts have really humiliated Jubilee in the past, the idea that 2013 favored Jubilee under either blackmail of inducement is a belief firmly founded on your political loyalties and nothing else.

It is capital insanity for Jubilee to entertain killing SCOK judges or even letting one dies under their watch. Public spectacle on the case immunizes them from assasination attempts. NASWA threats at this point are as effective on the courts as Jubilee's.

The reason it is futile going to court is because there is ZERO evidence for NASWA claims. If there were irregularities, they are the normal, negligible stuff.

The courts are a face saving exercise as opposed to meekly conceding amidst teargas,deaths,angry speeches and basically ignominy of a thorough thrashing, not to mention the eternal question, 'why couldn't you do this earlier?', 'what took you so long?', 'what has changed since Sunday?'

[vooke]

Jubilee is already celebrating

Once again the win of President Uhuru & DP Ruto will be confirmed by the Supreme Court. Congratulations NASA

— KIPCHUMBA MURKOMEN, E.G.H (@kipmurkomen) August 16, 2017

The matter is now headed to court.

Court cases are won via FACTS, LAW and EVIDENCE.

Great place to be.

— -Dennis Itumbi, CBS (@OleItumbi) August 16, 2017

They know

[Kadame6]

Sorry but my judgment of SCOK is based on 2013 and not "my political loyalties". I remember even PUNDIT saying on the second day that he could forsee "injustice" due to the courts reliance on "time". He already forgot, lol, but I remember it.

vooke, I'm fully aware of and transparent with my support of NASA and rejection of Jubilee. That doesnt mean I have lost use of my faculties, so tafadhali dont try to tell me what I believe or why I believe it. Its obvious you have a serious bias against NASA but I dont bring that up as a counter point to things you say, I just stick to what you say and challenge it in its own right so I would appreciate it if you gave me the same courtesy.

[vooke]

Sorry but my judgment of SCOK is based on 2013 and not "my political loyalties". I remember even PUNDIT saying on the second day that he could forsee "injustice" due to the courts reliance on "time". He already forgot, lol, but I remember it.

vooke, I'm fully aware of and transparent with my support of NASA and rejection of Jubilee. That doesnt mean I have lost use of my faculties, so tafadhali dont try to tell me what I believe or why I believe it. Its obvious you have a serious bias against NASA but I dont bring that up as a counter point to things you say, I just stick to what you say and challenge it in its own right so I would appreciate it if you gave me the same courtesy.

Your faculties notwithstanding, NASWA is headed for an epic loss and all the accompanying whines of less time, uncooperative IEBC,bribed judges, poor choice of lawyers bla de bla.


You can also tuck in your Msando fears somewhere there.

I'm most curious about what evidence they will produce
Server logs have been trashed already
Leaked IEBC extract of results as well

Babu hinted at something Omorlo had previously mentioned;
Ungazetted polling stations.

That's the only fun bit; claims/'evidence'

[Kadame6]

Yes we all know the outcome: thats the point! Lol!

But since youve started the lets burn my own thread strategy, see ya!

[vooke]

Yes we all know the outcome: thats the point! Lol!

But since youve started the lets burn my own thread strategy, see ya!

If I was a NAZI, I'd  marry fatalism for your exact same reasons; after the loss, I can still keep my head high and claim I was right all along about stolen victory bla de bla.

[Kim Jong-Un's Pajama Pants]

Yes we all know the outcome: thats the point! Lol!

But since youve started the lets burn my own thread strategy, see ya!

But vooke somehow feels he deserves a pat on the back for figuring that out.

[vooke]

Full text.

[vooke]

So NASWA is going to court because others are not? AFRICOG was and KHRC were raided yesterday...how messianic of NASWA to scramble a petition move in under 24hrs

We had said we will not go court. But with the raid on civil society and determination to silence all voices that could seek legal redress like AFRICOG and the Kenya Human Rights Commission, we have now decided to move to the Supreme Court and lay before the world the making of a computer-generated leadership.

[Omollo]

The Nasa decision has GEMA shitting bricks.

[RV Pundit]

Supreme Court Judges are no joke.I mean ask Mutunga what rubbish Cord gave them.NASA better have evidence that can make 9 people overturn the decision of 15m.The threshold is the  highest ever.That is why you have 28 days.No miguna style scatter gun approach.Get one single fact.

[Kadame6]

Supreme Court Judges are no joke.I mean ask Mutunga what rubbish Cord gave them.NASA better have evidence that can make 9 people overturn the decision of 15m.The threshold is the  highest ever.That is why you have 28 days.No miguna style scatter gun approach.Get one single fact.

9? When did they become 9? Thought they were 7? Damn, so many changes I'm unaware of.

[Kichwa]

The court must apply the correct evidentiary standard.  I believe the evidentiary standard here is "substantial evidence" and not "beyond reasonable doubt" as you are trying to suggest.  This is also a court of equity and may decide to move beyond the narrow confines of the law if they detect an un injustice that the laws in the books cannot cure. Mutunga court took the easy way out and decided to stick to the "law" even when the outcome was clearly not equitable and that is why we are here today. The maraga court should not kick the can down the road again. They have the power to make history if they rise beyond petty politics.

Supreme Court Judges are no joke.I mean ask Mutunga what rubbish Cord gave them.NASA better have evidence that can make 9 people overturn the decision of 15m.The threshold is the  highest ever.That is why you have 28 days.No miguna style scatter gun approach.Get one single fact.

[RV Pundit]

The standard is simple..1.5m vote difference..what material evidence of iebc mess or irregularities can bridge that.Concede already otherwise prepare for another white wash.I wish you guys had other options like war or I don't know..you have one option...concede..concede..that only option from ever reliable friend pundit

[vooke]

The court must apply the correct evidentiary standard.  I believe the evidentiary standard here is "substantial evidence" and not "beyond reasonable doubt" as you are trying to suggest.  This is also a court of equity and may decide to move beyond the narrow confines of the law if they detect an un injustice that the laws in the books cannot cure. Mutunga court took the easy way out and decided to stick to the "law" even when the outcome was clearly not equitable and that is why we are here today. The maraga court should not kick the can down the road again. They have the power to make history if they rise beyond petty politics.

Supreme Court Judges are no joke.I mean ask Mutunga what rubbish Cord gave them.NASA better have evidence that can make 9 people overturn the decision of 15m.The threshold is the  highest ever.That is why you have 28 days.No miguna style scatter gun approach.Get one single fact.

Kichwa, you make good points but your binary thinking ruins it all. You are in as many words saying any judgement unfavorable to NASWA is bad for the nation. So it's either NASWA way or the wrong way.

To date, all NASWA claims have proven empty right from KDF, Al Ghurair,server logs to 'leaked results extracts'. I think even for a Babu fanatic you need to pretend to be neutral and qualify your statement by new evidence.

I think Uhuru won fair and square, and parliament if nothing else proves it. But I'm open to compelling evidence and arguments from NASWA against the outcome. Follow the case with a similar mindset.

[Kichwa]

Not at all.  We do not even know what NASA's complaint is going to be as of yet.  I can only guess that it is going to be something to do with IEBC not conducting the elections in general or the tallying in particular as stipulated in the constitution.

What I will think of the courts final decision is immaterial because the courts decision will stand regardless of what I think of it.  I think we can agree that the country is divided and Jubilee supporters will applaud the court if it upholds the IEBC ruling and castigate the court if it overturns IEBC ruling. The same will be true for NASA. That's ok.  The court is quit aware of that but they must be completely be above that.

This court, its history, and the way it is constituted is very conservative and more likely to rule to maintain status quo-I get it.  However, I supported taking this case to go to court for several reasons 1) we in NASA have nothing to lose if it goes against us but everything to gain if in the unlikely case we win  2) it gives us a platform, an audience and unprecedented opportunity to not only to rally/consolidate our base but also to show the world what we were talking about when we said the elections was rigged  3) to show that we respect the constitution and the rule of law and to call the bluff of Jubilee and the international community who insisted that we needed to go to court 4) to buy time  to rally the opposition so that we can sustain a vibrant opposition and save this country from being plunged back into the Kenyattaa and Moi Kanu days of de jure and defacto single party state. Too many people suffered, died for this democracy to just watch it slide back to the Kanu days without a fight.

The court must apply the correct evidentiary standard.  I believe the evidentiary standard here is "substantial evidence" and not "beyond reasonable doubt" as you are trying to suggest.  This is also a court of equity and may decide to move beyond the narrow confines of the law if they detect an un injustice that the laws in the books cannot cure. Mutunga court took the easy way out and decided to stick to the "law" even when the outcome was clearly not equitable and that is why we are here today. The maraga court should not kick the can down the road again. They have the power to make history if they rise beyond petty politics.

Supreme Court Judges are no joke.I mean ask Mutunga what rubbish Cord gave them.NASA better have evidence that can make 9 people overturn the decision of 15m.The threshold is the  highest ever.That is why you have 28 days.No miguna style scatter gun approach.Get one single fact.

Kichwa, you make good points but your binary thinking ruins it all. You are in as many words saying any judgement unfavorable to NASWA is bad for the nation. So it's either NASWA way or the wrong way.

To date, all NASWA claims have proven empty right from KDF, Al Ghurair,server logs to 'leaked results extracts'. I think even for a Babu fanatic you need to pretend to be neutral and qualify your statement by new evidence.

I think Uhuru won fair and square, and parliament if nothing else proves it. But I'm open to compelling evidence and arguments from NASWA against the outcome. Follow the case with a similar mindset.

[vooke]

Kichwa,
I don't see how a petition can rally the opposition. Are they divided?

I agree the court is an opportunity to air evidence, but this is a two-edged sword. Should all the evidence be as bogus, Babu's legacy goes up in smokes as the perennial loser

I disagree that going to court shows you respect constitution; fact remains, the decision came after pressure from EVERYWHERE,and after vowing to disregard constitution. Barely days ago on Sunday, Orengo claimed there were other (unspecified and unconstitutional) 'constitutional' means at their disposal.

Again I don't see how it rallies opposition. A crushing defeat is likely to demoralize opposition even harder.

I'm quite glad that unlike IEBC, NASWA has no time to discredit Judiciary. Means even if the ruling is unfavorable, it will be difficult to trash the decision. And if it's difficult to trash the decision, PEV is over.

Is Kenya divided? Yes it is, and it'd have remained divided had Babu won. Uniting Kenya will take both.

My hope and prayers is the absolute majority in parliament will not be stupid.