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Re: Google Fired Him now he's a hero
« Reply #40 on: August 11, 2017, 05:18:20 AM »
Point taken 8) See I do want you to respect me - I just don't want some law to coerce you. Paternalism is an oxymoron.

The relevant laws are never about forcing (or even encouraging) people to respect others, or like others, or whatever.   Rather the idea is that while people may disrespect or dislike or even hate others, they should be constrained when it comes to acting on such feelings victimizing those others.  Most affected people are not seeking love or respect or whatever; they simply do not care to be victimized on the basis or race, gender, religion, etc.

I also suspect Robina is conflating social ostracism, with legal penalties.  I am also not for anyone to be punished by law for being a jerk.  But I fully approve society making it hell for them to be jerks.
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Re: Google Fired Him now he's a hero
« Reply #41 on: August 11, 2017, 05:48:54 AM »
Windy & MOON Ki,

I see your points. Honestly I don't know so much about the law... am concerned about the politics which I find affects and determines the law.

My vitriol on liberalism - and why its ghosts obsessively haunt me - is the double standards. You're hard-pressed to find Google or the media or bloggers - or "society" - imposing any penalty on one who expresses worse tirade on social groups liberals do not favor. Invariably this is the white male group. Catch anyone dead defending them for the worst of abuses. It's like they are so blessed or strong to dominate leadership, industry and the economy - so hating them is fairgame.

I can find proof of the double standards if you want. They go unpunished and uncorrected - and unnoticed - because their sufferers are white & male. Their grandpas had it easy and hurt others - somebody's gotta pay.
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Re: Google Fired Him now he's a hero
« Reply #42 on: August 11, 2017, 05:59:14 AM »
As a woman of color am the most pampered and mollycoddled definitely - it's a peevish irony for me - don't like it one bit!
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Re: Google Fired Him now he's a hero
« Reply #43 on: August 11, 2017, 06:01:31 AM »
This is one of those horrible dilemmas for me. Here comes an insha!

On one hand, I do find something totalitarian in the Western left, a self righteousness that tells everyone including other nations (except Saudi Arabia of course where women cant drive in 2017  :D) whats right or not by force which I instinctively reject like Robina. And like her I think it ends up creating conditions for Brexits and Donald Trumps.

To that point I also happen to think there are differences between the genders which lead to a life time of different choices made that end up being reflected in a wage "gap" or failure of some industries like IT and sciences to take in women (which I dont believe in either. I read the gap is done by getting an average of mens income vs an average of womens income without accounting for the different career choices women make right from high school to university and beyond: whether/when to go to college, which subjects to pursue etc).

Again to that point, Having lived in the West for a very short while, as a woman AND a black person AND from Africa, I can say with complete confidence that I feel mistreated as an African first and foremost, THEN as a black and NEVER as a woman. Sexism is non existent. I have never even caught a whiff of it anywhere. The direct opposite of home where Im a thousand times mire likely to experience sexism than even ethnic discrimination which is reaaaaaly saying something, lol!

On the opposite end, I do see a place for hate speech restriction: The ugliest parts of PEV were due to hate speech booming from radios in mashinani. The same thing happened in Rwanda.

And like Termi says, especially after experiencing and witnessing unstated racism, I am sure glad these folk dont feel free to shout that I am a monkey at work or any of that stupid s***.

Also have gay friends who have made me rethink quite a bit. In a place like Kenya, they would be treated at best like mad people which they are not, or fired at will for flimsy reasons or inundated with matusi so much that theyd have to quit to keep a sane mind. I dont want an environment that would make it ok to put them through that. But neither do i want the most obnoxious aming them them harrassing old christian ladies in an environment where they could get their cakes in a thousand other locations.

So there is my dilemma. Like most things its a balance thats difficult to get right. How to prevent the most obnoxious behaviour from any demographic while not roping in nirmal disagreements in the process.

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Re: Google Fired Him now he's a hero
« Reply #44 on: August 13, 2017, 01:48:59 AM »
Google in trouble... this bus stop is a block away from the Google office in Venice.


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Re: Google Fired Him now he's a hero
« Reply #45 on: August 13, 2017, 01:53:11 AM »
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Re: Google Fired Him now he's a hero
« Reply #46 on: August 13, 2017, 03:56:50 PM »
Calls for Google CEO Goolag Ayatollah Sundar Pichai to resign

http://thehill.com/policy/technology/346267-wrath-of-right-falls-on-google
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