In 1980 All Museveni Asked Obote is a Free & Fair Election

[Omollo]

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Hio tu and Obote and Muwanga told him to go to the bush and if he does they will follow him there and kill and bury him inside the bush.

Five years later he had been overthrown by his generals when he attempted tribalism in the army. And a few months later Museveni had overthrown the Junta that overthrew Obote.

Again I say all Museveni asked for was a free and fair election.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ugandan_general_election,_1980

[Nefertiti]

If war broke out, with the GEMA and Kalenjin dominated security services... I see Luo running alone with this one, maybe they can be supported by Joho/Waswahili. Kalonzo would be the first to depart followed by Madvd.

Per the memoirs, dear Omollo, Raila already tried the coup d'etat route and flopped

[RV Pundit]

That is right. Raila and his supporters have no stomach for it. They are hoping maybe TZ or South Sudan can do the dirty job for them. They are people I would fear - like those pokots - who've been engaged with kenya security and army for four years - and yet they go on and on. And Somalis of course. Hii ya NASA...it big joke. They cannot even kill a chicken.

If war broke out, with the GEMA and Kalenjin dominated security services... I see Luo running alone with this one, maybe they can be supported by Joho/Waswahili. Kalonzo would be the first to depart followed by Madvd.

Per the memoirs, dear Omollo, Raila already tried the coup d'etat route and flopped

[Kim Jong-Un's Pajama Pants]

Hio tu and Obote and Muwanga told him to go to the bush and if he does they will follow him there and kill and bury him inside the bush.

Five years later he had been overthrown by his generals when he attempted tribalism in the army. And a few months later Museveni had overthrown the Junta that overthrew Obote.

Again I say all Museveni asked for was a free and fair election.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ugandan_general_election,_1980

If such a thing were to happen, I doubt it would be because people are ready to die for Raila.  He can no longer claim to be a distinct species from the current political elite.  He may be seen as different but still an insider.

[Kim Jong-Un's Pajama Pants]

That is right. Raila and his supporters have no stomach for it. They are hoping maybe TZ or South Sudan can do the dirty job for them. They are people I would fear - like those pokots - who've been engaged with kenya security and army for four years - and yet they go on and on. And Somalis of course. Hii ya NASA...it big joke. They cannot even kill a chicken.

If war broke out, with the GEMA and Kalenjin dominated security services... I see Luo running alone with this one, maybe they can be supported by Joho/Waswahili. Kalonzo would be the first to depart followed by Madvd.

Per the memoirs, dear Omollo, Raila already tried the coup d'etat route and flopped

It's not so much who has the stomach for it as who has had enough of it.  Or who has nothing to lose.  Pokot and Somali fall into that category.  Basically the government wants to keep the number of disaffected to a manageable number.  You exceed a certain threshold, and you have shitstorm, regardless of whose dick is bigger than whose.

[gout]

The videos of the likes of Museveni in the 1980s say it all. These were hard boiled and philosophically well grounded kick ass Africans who would do anything for what they believed in.

Tired pot-bellied conmen billionaires like present day Raila are no guerrilla generals just nusu mkate na carpet negotiation guys who leaving karen for a day to the dusty campaign ground is a challenge.

[Omollo]

[gout]

Obote was already a boring pot bellied matumbo general who was no match to hungry scorch earthers like Museveni.

Kenya are generally edgy of violence given the Mau Mau state of emergency records as shown by hysterical global reaction on the small time 2007 PEV scare or any 'hate speech' 'incitement'.

[Omollo]

Obote was already a boring pot bellied matumbo general who was no match to hungry scorch earthers like Museveni.

Kenya are generally edgy of violence given the Mau Mau state of emergency records as shown by hysterical global reaction on the small time 2007 PEV scare or any 'hate speech' 'incitement'.

Check your history better.

The man to beat and the power behind Obote was General Oyite Ojok. There was no way Museveni could beta Ojok. The rebels would run whenever they realized the commander of the unit they will fight is Ojok.

He knew Museveni and had trained him in Tanzania and commanded him.

The day he died is the day Obote's hold on power weakened. Indeed it is the succession of Ojok that unleashed the coup when senior commanders thought they had been bypassed for a junior - Smith Opon Ocak - to take over. The Okello's then launched a coup that drove out Obote. There were divisions between Lango and Acholi giving Museveni an opening

On the other issue, I find it funny really. This is what was said about Ivory Coast before it plunged in to war. The cause: Electoral Games by incumbents.

A little earlier we had similar fallouts in Sierra leone & Liberia where incumbents thought they had a god given right to rule.

[gout]

Will check out the General Oyite story.

I have been following the Uganda military which runs the government. Where did they get this culture of public lectures by the generals? Sometimes am surprised that the debate culture in Uganda is quite provocative and even more robust than ours