UK should relinquish their UN security council ASAP

[kwesta]

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Especially if Scotland votes to break away tomorrow, we can't have a small island holding vetoe powers in the the UNSC.

Its time the UNSC was reconstituted; France, UK and the rest of European countries should decide who gets the seat amongst them.

 One other seat should go to an African country, then two more seats created to accommodate South America and one for the Arab..

This nonsense of a small island holding on to the seat should be done away, UK was given the seat in recognition of the empire it ruled them, Most of Africa and South Asian countries.  What does it have now?

[RV Pundit]

India and Brazil deserve a UN veto. UK post scotland breakdown membership will be nonviable although US will want a pooddle.

[Omollo]

If India, Brazil etc want a seat, they must threaten to get it. It is a battle between self interested states in an jungle of no laws and no control.

[Kababe]

Its ridiculous that Germany doesn't have one, Japan too. India too, but Pakistan will leta shida. Ammending the charter provisions especially with regards to the SC is a herculean task. It would be better if the UNGA as a whole had an overriding veto power over SC resolutions based on a super-majority, for the symbolism if nothing else.

[Kim Jong-Un's Pajama Pants]

Especially if Scotland votes to break away tomorrow, we can't have a small island holding vetoe powers in the the UNSC.

Its time the UNSC was reconstituted; France, UK and the rest of European countries should decide who gets the seat amongst them.

 One other seat should go to an African country, then two more seats created to accommodate South America and one for the Arab..

This nonsense of a small island holding on to the seat should be done away, UK was given the seat in recognition of the empire it ruled them, Most of Africa and South Asian countries.  What does it have now?

The membership belongs to the victors of the last great war.  They are not going to relinquish membership unless they lose a great war.  What they should do is consider expanding it to incorporate African and South American countries.

[Omollo]

Its ridiculous that Germany doesn't have one, Japan too. India too, but Pakistan will leta shida. Ammending the charter provisions especially with regards to the SC is a herculean task. It would be better if the UNGA as a whole had an overriding veto power over SC resolutions based on a super-majority, for the symbolism if nothing else.

This arrangement reflects the victors of the WW2. Germany had lost the war, had a huge debt to pay and the 5 permanent members were her official enemies having barely rested from waging war against her.

I can't see how hard it is to amend the charter except that realism dictates that these five states cannot give way without appearing to lose some degree of power and influence. Germany would have to work hard for a place and that may come when its biggest opponent (Britain) gets in to hard weather. For now, I see no possibility of any UK government agreeing to a German UNSC membership.

[Kababe]

Well, I was thinking that ammending the charter provisions would require the agreement of each state-party--200 members, because the charter is afterall just a treaty, a different situation might give rise to complicated bilateral relationships in between the parties. But apparently they can amend with a super-majority, which can still be vetoed by the p5, still near impossible to get that majority of 130 plus members methinks when it comes to identifying the new permanent members. They would have to pose no threat at all to significant blocks or any of the 5. This means India is out, Pakistan will probably be able to lobby all muslim nations against it unless it is also included, and some p5 members may not want Pakistan there. Germany, it is said here will stand no chance with the UK. Maybe Japan (is China cool with that?) and non-influential countries have a chance. Must be a reason why this hasn't been done in over 60 years and we have the same 5. Agreement may seem easy to achieve as regards adding slots, even if the 5 agreed, but when it comes down to identifying new occuppiers of the additional slots, present politics/interests/alignments might make things just impossible.