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Museveni and Magufuli Fight Corruption: Uhuru Doesn't
« on: March 30, 2017, 05:16:29 PM »
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Re: Museveni and Magufuli Fight Corruption: Uhuru Doesn't
« Reply #1 on: March 30, 2017, 05:21:52 PM »
Kenya's corruption has been institutionalized under the uhuru administration.

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Re: Museveni and Magufuli Fight Corruption: Uhuru Doesn't
« Reply #2 on: March 30, 2017, 05:30:14 PM »
Kenya's corruption has been institutionalized under the uhuru administration.

It was institutionalized long before Uhuru even thought of entering politics, by his dear father.

None of our current crop of "leaders" are in any way interested in stopping corruption. It's in their blood.

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Re: Museveni and Magufuli Fight Corruption: Uhuru Doesn't
« Reply #3 on: March 31, 2017, 01:12:05 PM »
I met an investor who had come to Kenya and was confronted with serious extortion. He tried to do the right thing and report to the police. He was deported the next day.
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Re: Museveni and Magufuli Fight Corruption: Uhuru Doesn't
« Reply #4 on: March 31, 2017, 01:37:45 PM »
I met an investor who had come to Kenya and was confronted with serious extortion. He tried to do the right thing and report to the police. He was deported the next day.

Ndeomo wrote about this in 2015:

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So what does this story tell us?

That corruption in Kenya has been institutionalized and is not the preserve of one tribe, no matter how much our "leaders" try to convince us.

They eat together and never ever rat out on each other. Just how hard is it to understand that?

The day we, wanainchi, fully understand is the day we'll start moving forward and stop bashing each other supporting this and that corruption baron.

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Re: Museveni and Magufuli Fight Corruption: Uhuru Doesn't
« Reply #5 on: March 31, 2017, 01:59:04 PM »
Mendi Njonjo is on to something. The problem is that most of the businesses set up using looted funds still depend on government to make profit. The government becomes their biggest customer / client. It is sometimes quite ironical. We had Pattni going to court in the morning and in the afternoon receiving his cheque from some government ministry. It would never happen in a decent democracy.
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Re: Museveni and Magufuli Fight Corruption: Uhuru Doesn't
« Reply #6 on: March 31, 2017, 04:11:55 PM »
The day we, wanainchi, fully understand is the day we'll start moving forward and stop bashing each other supporting this and that corruption baron.

Kenyans don't really have any problems with corruption.   What bothers them is "those other people" doing the eating.    "Our people", on the other hand, are just hard workers, are lucky, etc.
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Re: Museveni and Magufuli Fight Corruption: Uhuru Doesn't
« Reply #7 on: March 31, 2017, 05:32:46 PM »
The day we, wanainchi, fully understand is the day we'll start moving forward and stop bashing each other supporting this and that corruption baron.

Kenyans don't really have any problems with corruption.   What bothers them is "those other people" doing the eating.    "Our people", on the other hand, are just hard workers, are lucky, etc.


That's the crux of it.  You will find educated people arguing forcefully that it does not hold the country back.
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Re: Museveni and Magufuli Fight Corruption: Uhuru Doesn't
« Reply #9 on: April 09, 2017, 03:26:00 PM »

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« Reply #10 on: April 09, 2017, 10:04:35 PM »

All that is true, but is there any serious indication that the citizens really wish to have something different?   Kenyans are always happy to show up in great numbers for political rallies.  And, as is happening right now, they are even happier to engage in violence and all sorts of mischief on behalf of their chosen politician.   But how many have you ever seen demonstrating (or taking any kind of action) on service delivery, corruption, etc.?

Nor do Kenyans ever vote "right".   Kidero already knows which votes he can take to the bank: those from NASA-affiliate tribes.   His performance on the job matters little to such voters.   Likewise, the Jubilee candidate for Governor of Nairobi can bank on certain tribal votes, regardless of potential to perform.    And all that extends to the national level: votes for Raila-Kalonzo vs. Uhuru-Ruto will not be cast on the basis of performance or potential for performance.  Even some those who have been badly let down by the government---e.g. the starving of Baringo---will still vote for Jubilee.

When Kenyans finally decide that they have had enough and want change, they will act accordingly and end up with real leaders.

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What kind of legacy will the top leaders be proclaiming at this rate?

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Re: Museveni and Magufuli Fight Corruption: Uhuru Doesn't
« Reply #11 on: April 10, 2017, 11:19:10 AM »
MoonKi

I half agree with you.

Yes some Kenyans pray nightly before bed for God to grant them an opportunity to grab as much as they can. They even think if a tribesman steals from "The Government" (which means not real theft as they know it) they can and will eventually benefit.

However like a person having a throbbing migraine headache and not knowing the cause, Kenyans complain about the effects of corruption. They sincerely detest these effects, for example the rise of unga from 60 shillings (when Jubilee took over) to now 160 shillings.

The colonial government had a policy of limiting western education offered to Africans for a reason. The structural adjustment programs led to thousands of Kenyans missing education. I could also add the rather poor education now being offered as some of the reasons for this lack of awareness. For some reason I have (in my own very subjective and perhaps biased opinion) found Kenyans less able to connect the dots between obviously linked issues than say Ugandans or Chandians.
The day we, wanainchi, fully understand is the day we'll start moving forward and stop bashing each other supporting this and that corruption baron.

Kenyans don't really have any problems with corruption.   What bothers them is "those other people" doing the eating.    "Our people", on the other hand, are just hard workers, are lucky, etc.
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Re: Museveni and Magufuli Fight Corruption: Uhuru Doesn't
« Reply #12 on: April 10, 2017, 12:23:24 PM »
Haven't heard much of Magufuli recently.  Has he been overwhelmed?  Tz is a filthy rich country in the right hands.
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Re: Museveni and Magufuli Fight Corruption: Uhuru Doesn't
« Reply #13 on: April 10, 2017, 03:09:56 PM »
However like a person having a throbbing migraine headache and not knowing the cause, Kenyans complain about the effects of corruption.

I've had one of those throbbing migraine headaches.    At first, I just ignored it or took  the occasional painkiller.  Eventually, it got really bad, and I decided to look into the cause.  It appears that my compatriots too are on a similar path: enough pain, and they will act.   Until then, nothing to do but wait.
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Re: Museveni and Magufuli Fight Corruption: Uhuru Doesn't
« Reply #14 on: April 10, 2017, 03:11:18 PM »
Haven't heard much of Magufuli recently.  Has he been overwhelmed?  Tz is a filthy rich country in the right hands.
He is not. But he is facing massive resistance from Tanzania Bara while for once he is getting kudos from Zanzibar. I think the corruption cartels had dug rather deep. Sadly for him these cartels are well connected within CCM. Some or most have links to many of the former presidents (Tanzania and Botswana have a high turnover).
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Re: Museveni and Magufuli Fight Corruption: Uhuru Doesn't
« Reply #15 on: April 10, 2017, 03:15:35 PM »
The problem with migraine MoonKi is that for some reason it slows down the brain. So at exactly the time you need your brain to urgently  advise you to do such a simple thing like make you understand: "you are in pain, please go and see a doctor", it fails badly. In fact it is usually a while before you realize that the massive pain you have in your head is a headache.

Again when you take meds - very powerful painkillers - they ease the pain to zero. However the same meds slow down your reflexes and ability to think fast or at all!

So you can see the catch 22 our country finds herself in.

However like a person having a throbbing migraine headache and not knowing the cause, Kenyans complain about the effects of corruption.

I've had one of those throbbing migraine headaches.    At first, I just ignored it or took  the occasional painkiller.  Eventually, it got really bad, and I decided to look into the cause.  It appears that my compatriots too are on a similar path: enough pain, and they will act.   
... [the ICC case] will be tried in Europe, where due procedure and expertise prevail.; ... Second-guessing Ocampo and fantasizing ..has obviously become a national pastime.- NattyDread