Author Topic: Crazy Alshabaab ran off Burundi base  (Read 4730 times)

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Crazy Alshabaab ran off Burundi base
« on: June 26, 2015, 03:00:15 PM »
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Re: Crazy Alshabaab ran off Burundi base
« Reply #1 on: June 26, 2015, 05:43:58 PM »
I think this new spike in attacks means ISIS has extended its reach. Al AShabaab alone can't overrun a military base of trained troops.
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Re: Crazy Alshabaab ran off Burundi base
« Reply #2 on: June 26, 2015, 07:21:38 PM »
I think this new spike in attacks means ISIS has extended its reach. Al AShabaab alone can't overrun a military base of trained troops.
I think those Burundians are poorly trained soldiers.  A glorified militia.

I respect KDF training.  But they are let down by their top brass and DOD who siphon off loads of money.  Leaves them with limited, dilapidated, outdated equipment. 

So you have vast swathes of territory that they can't cover even inside Kenya as the Lamu attack proves.

 Being Kenyan, they are also not above the corruption bug in the same way that the ocean is not above the clouds.  Unfortunately.
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Re: Crazy Alshabaab ran off Burundi base
« Reply #3 on: June 26, 2015, 08:39:38 PM »
Perhaps they are better trained. Six of them were killed recently when Al Shabaab targeted their base. From the video, the attackers got too close for a secure military base. The silhouette of an APC that is supposed to guard the entrance can be seen very clearly in the dark Kenyan night. I would say once an attacker has reached that point, your outer defense is totally put out of action and it remains for everyone inside to act.

If it were not for obvious mistakes by the attackers (which one can see in the video) the attack would have been devastating for KDF. For instance, they crowded together and this became easy targets for a trained sniper with night vision. Alternatively, a single artillary round fired directly at their position would make short business of the gang.

Note however that all the Kenyan forces get the best training. The only problem is that they never get to use the high tech equipment they saw in college. Some never fire a gun for years and have to do it for the first time during an attack. That is because money meant to buy bullets for test firing and target practice is for the chiefs to eat. They "buy" the bullets alright and then recover the cash used by selling the same onwards.
I think this new spike in attacks means ISIS has extended its reach. Al AShabaab alone can't overrun a military base of trained troops.
I think those Burundians are poorly trained soldiers.  A glorified militia.

I respect KDF training.  But they are let down by their top brass and DOD who siphon off loads of money.  Leaves them with limited, dilapidated, outdated equipment. 

So you have vast swathes of territory that they can't cover even inside Kenya as the Lamu attack proves.

 Being Kenyan, they are also not above the corruption bug in the same way that the ocean is not above the clouds.  Unfortunately.
... [the ICC case] will be tried in Europe, where due procedure and expertise prevail.; ... Second-guessing Ocampo and fantasizing ..has obviously become a national pastime.- NattyDread

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Re: Crazy Alshabaab ran off Burundi base
« Reply #4 on: June 28, 2015, 08:43:17 AM »
Let me play the devils advocate, what hapened to Burundi will never happen to KDF. Attention to detail; West Point and Sandhurst trained Officers? AU may F**k up but not KDF. All the Kismayo charcoal trade bull*** is just that. Charcoal is exported by Madobe to sustain his army. AS may earn revenue along the way. You can not control Somalia with the biggest coastline in Africa.




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Re: Crazy Alshabaab ran off Burundi base
« Reply #5 on: June 28, 2015, 12:55:49 PM »
Americans have themselves been victims of well organized militia attacks targeting their bases - with very heavy casualties.

Let me play the devils advocate, what hapened to Burundi will never happen to KDF. Attention to detail; West Point and Sandhurst trained Officers? AU may F**k up but not KDF. All the Kismayo charcoal trade bull*** is just that. Charcoal is exported by Madobe to sustain his army. AS may earn revenue along the way. You can not control Somalia with the biggest coastline in Africa.




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Re: Crazy Alshabaab ran off Burundi base
« Reply #6 on: July 03, 2015, 05:11:51 PM »
looks like they will outrun one of the barracks along the somali border once they take over Mogadishu ..... these crazies don't get war weary ...they will wear other soldier used to good life very easily and run themout of town ... that edited Baure video  gives a glimpse to the monster we will be dealing if KDF doesn't get back and form a human wall along that border
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Re: Crazy Alshabaab ran off Burundi base
« Reply #7 on: July 04, 2015, 01:59:18 AM »
What are the chances of withdrawal? The generals have never had it so nice. They give a hoot if Kenya goes to the dogs. The warlords in Somalia are salivating at all the rich pickings they will get in Kenya. The day KICC is dismantled brick by brick and shipped off is the day Kenyans will know never to wish for war.

looks like they will outrun one of the barracks along the somali border once they take over Mogadishu ..... these crazies don't get war weary ...they will wear other soldier used to good life very easily and run themout of town ... that edited Baure video  gives a glimpse to the monster we will be dealing if KDF doesn't get back and form a human wall along that border
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Re: Crazy Alshabaab ran off Burundi base
« Reply #8 on: July 04, 2015, 04:50:43 PM »
Soon Mogadishu will fall and then they will concentrate on KDF bases
Was always wondering what people meant by 'we have driven Al Shaitan out of their strongholds' ....... chase people out of their homes to where???

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African Union troops fighting Somalia's Shebab insurgents have pulled back from several key towns following a series of attacks by the Al-Qaeda-affiliated fighters, local officials said Friday.
http://www.standardmedia.co.ke/article/2000167894/african-union-troops-retreat-in-somalia-as-shebab-attack/
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Re: Crazy Alshabaab ran off Burundi base
« Reply #9 on: July 04, 2015, 06:02:32 PM »
I am surprised at their renewed strength. Are you sure Putin has not started the old cold war games after he was pushed to the wall? You know Russia has the capacity to do a lot of damage. A tilt towards these groups would see them transformed.

Soon Mogadishu will fall and then they will concentrate on KDF bases
Was always wondering what people meant by 'we have driven Al Shaitan out of their strongholds' ....... chase people out of their homes to where???

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African Union troops fighting Somalia's Shebab insurgents have pulled back from several key towns following a series of attacks by the Al-Qaeda-affiliated fighters, local officials said Friday.
http://www.standardmedia.co.ke/article/2000167894/african-union-troops-retreat-in-somalia-as-shebab-attack/
... [the ICC case] will be tried in Europe, where due procedure and expertise prevail.; ... Second-guessing Ocampo and fantasizing ..has obviously become a national pastime.- NattyDread