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AU Has Lost: Somali Children Gang Raped
« on: June 27, 2015, 01:23:18 PM »
Once a army gets the people against it, defeat comes knocking. This mission is completely compromised. The UN can take over and inject in Non African troops or the US should back one of the warring parties and impose a government. If I had a say, I would use Somaliland to expand Southwards.

I decided to dig up more when I noticed the dearth of information on this subject. Al Shabaab claims to have killed 60 Burundians. The AU is quiet or downplaying the casualty figure.

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Western-backed African Union troops in Somalia gang-raped women and girls as young as 12
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Re: AU Has Lost: Somali Children Gang Raped
« Reply #1 on: June 27, 2015, 01:41:42 PM »
Brutality breeds more brutality. KDF displays dead Al Shabaab fighters. Now Al Shabaab has picked up the lesson with alacrity! One would expect KDF to be the grown up and eschew such primitivity.
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After taking over a military base of the African Union (AU) peacekeeping force early on Friday, Al Shabaab reportedly put up corpses of dozens of soldiers on display.

The attack began at dawn after Al Shabaab rammed an explosive-laden car into the base located south of Mogadishu. The local Leego residents, who had assembled for the early morning prayers at the mosque for Ramadan, claimed to have heard heavy explosion followed by gunfire.

The fighting reportedly went on for over three hours, and there is still no exact figure on the number of casualities. The peacekeeping force, known as African Union Mission In Somalia (Amisom), is made up of army units from Kenya, Uganda and Burundi.

"A car bomb rammed into the AU base in Leego and this was followed by heavy exchange of gunfire," Major Nur Olow, a military officer, told Reuters. "First, AU forces opened fire at the speeding car bomb. The car forced its way in."

Sheikh Abdiasis Abu Musab, a spokesman for the al Qaeda-aligned group, claimed that they have killed 35 soldiers.

Somali journalist Mohammed Abdi, citing local residents, said on Twitter that the bodies of dozens of peacekeeping soldiers were put on display, after Al Shabaab militants hoisted its flag at the Amisom base.

Security forces in Somalia have already been on a high alert, especially as the militant group often steps up its attacks during Ramadan.

On 24 June, Al Shabaab had attempted a suicide attack targeting the UAE ambassador to Somalia. Though the diplomat survived the attack, at least 11 soldiers and civilians were killed.

On 21 June, an Al Shabaab suicide bomber had rammed an explosive-laden car into the Somali intelligence office building, while armed attackers exchanged heavy gunfire with security personnel in a failed attempt to enter the high security zone.
http://www.ibtimes.co.in/somalia-al-shabaab-captures-au-base-puts-corpses-soldiers-display-leego-637178
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Re: AU Has Lost: Somali Children Gang Raped
« Reply #2 on: June 27, 2015, 01:44:04 PM »
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Re: AU Has Lost: Somali Children Gang Raped
« Reply #3 on: June 27, 2015, 06:31:47 PM »
Brutality breeds more brutality. KDF displays dead Al Shabaab fighters. Now Al Shabaab has picked up the lesson with alacrity! One would expect KDF to be the grown up and eschew such primitivity.
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After taking over a military base of the African Union (AU) peacekeeping force early on Friday, Al Shabaab reportedly put up corpses of dozens of soldiers on display.

The attack began at dawn after Al Shabaab rammed an explosive-laden car into the base located south of Mogadishu. The local Leego residents, who had assembled for the early morning prayers at the mosque for Ramadan, claimed to have heard heavy explosion followed by gunfire.

The fighting reportedly went on for over three hours, and there is still no exact figure on the number of casualities. The peacekeeping force, known as African Union Mission In Somalia (Amisom), is made up of army units from Kenya, Uganda and Burundi.

"A car bomb rammed into the AU base in Leego and this was followed by heavy exchange of gunfire," Major Nur Olow, a military officer, told Reuters. "First, AU forces opened fire at the speeding car bomb. The car forced its way in."

Sheikh Abdiasis Abu Musab, a spokesman for the al Qaeda-aligned group, claimed that they have killed 35 soldiers.

Somali journalist Mohammed Abdi, citing local residents, said on Twitter that the bodies of dozens of peacekeeping soldiers were put on display, after Al Shabaab militants hoisted its flag at the Amisom base.

Security forces in Somalia have already been on a high alert, especially as the militant group often steps up its attacks during Ramadan.

On 24 June, Al Shabaab had attempted a suicide attack targeting the UAE ambassador to Somalia. Though the diplomat survived the attack, at least 11 soldiers and civilians were killed.

On 21 June, an Al Shabaab suicide bomber had rammed an explosive-laden car into the Somali intelligence office building, while armed attackers exchanged heavy gunfire with security personnel in a failed attempt to enter the high security zone.
http://www.ibtimes.co.in/somalia-al-shabaab-captures-au-base-puts-corpses-soldiers-display-leego-637178
Al Shabaab has always displayed corpses.  In 2011 they slaughtered the same Burundians in Mogadishu and laid out their corpses like omena.  That is one reason I can believe they have pretty much lost every engagement they have had with KDF.
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Re: AU Has Lost: Somali Children Gang Raped
« Reply #4 on: June 28, 2015, 01:10:05 AM »
Al Shabaab has always displayed corpses.  In 2011 they slaughtered the same Burundians in Mogadishu and laid out their corpses like omena.  That is one reason I can believe they have pretty much lost every engagement they have had with KDF.
The question is: Should KDF be doing the same? Would you bite the leg of the dog that just bit you in revenge?

This is back to what we spoke of recently with Pundit: When will Kenya see Al Shabaab for the chokora it is and weigh her options? Al Shabaab need only blow one bomb in Mombasa and the advisories come back on in the wake of evacuations. Thus their capacity to wreck havoc in Kenya is increasing even as the benefits to the country are nil.

The top military brass as eating money from the budget even as The UN pays for everything! I saw a huge sum included in the budget for the Somali Mission. Yet ALL the costs are supposed to be borne by the AU and its underwriters (The EU etc). The money from the UN never reaches treasury. So we have a situation where corruption will keep us in Somalia.
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Re: AU Has Lost: Somali Children Gang Raped
« Reply #5 on: June 28, 2015, 08:24:08 AM »
Burundi military ia just a militia. No trained army can loose 60 soilders in a single battle. But for a good perspective Somalis have never been dominated. Italians tried then british Then US of A. Read Lt Col Bartlet The KIngs African Rifles for background
 

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Re: AU Has Lost: Somali Children Gang Raped
« Reply #6 on: June 28, 2015, 12:53:52 PM »
Don't be so fast in condemning Burundi. Look at the Al Shabaab video of the Lamu attack on KDF. If those attackers had followed the Burundi base template (learned from ISIS) and sent a suicide bomber driving a car full of explosives, what could have stopped him? The soldiers at the gate were caught napping. I don't see how that camp could have survived such an attack when a bomb kills sleeping soldiers and the injured are too frail to offer a defense while those who are able can only flee. There is a need to up tactics. The belief that Al Shabaab is a ragtag group of bandits must end.

The casualty of 6 (official still 2) remains too high for an attack that was "repulsed". KDF killed 11 terrorists and lost 6 soldiers (and we are by no means sure of the figure after GOK threatened journalists exposing the details.

PS. The longer a war goes on the better the participants become. The Mujahideen  could never take on the Russians in Afghanistan in the first few months. But as time went by they grew bold enough to overrun bases. We saw in 1983 a hitherto obscure militia - Islamic Jihad - make a grand entry to the Order of Terrorists by flattening the American Barracks / military camp with 299 soldier casualties.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1983_Beirut_barracks_bombing
Burundi military ia just a militia. No trained army can loose 60 soilders in a single battle. But for a good perspective Somalis have never been dominated. Italians tried then british Then US of A. Read Lt Col Bartlet The KIngs African Rifles for background
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Re: AU Has Lost: Somali Children Gang Raped
« Reply #7 on: June 28, 2015, 03:09:03 PM »
Omollo,

There is definitely a severe problem of corruption in KDF and security in general.  Their hardware is of the lowest quality.  Not enough vehicles.  I can bet not enough fuel for remaining ones not in use by senior officers.

With Uncle Sam giving military aid, budget in the billions of dollars, a small plane could not be found to land recce in Garissa because there are apparently only two rickety ones. 

They are no better equipped than neighboring countries with less than half the budget.  Accountability is long overdue.  My hunch is all other scandals pale in comparison to what goes on at DOD.

Raping a 12 year old is perverted obviously.  Raping a 12 year old who is most likely genitally mutilated defies imagination.
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Re: AU Has Lost: Somali Children Gang Raped
« Reply #8 on: June 28, 2015, 04:40:46 PM »
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They will have to make up their minds. If they want to beat Al Shabaab and end insecurity in the country, they have to stop the corruption. The Brits managed to beat off revolts in their empire when they found that their enemies would account for each and every donation to the last cent and did not misappropriate anything.

I read a story of how Communist rebels fighting with Castro were so scrupulous that they reported if a coin dropped and was lost in the clamour or battle. You know the terrorists who flew planes in the WTC (what Hubris calls controlled demolition) kept strict accounts and posted the change back to Saudi Arabia!

Are you going to fight such people when corrupt? You can only beat them with equal dedication.
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Re: AU Has Lost: Somali Children Gang Raped
« Reply #9 on: June 29, 2015, 03:43:04 PM »
Termie

They will have to make up their minds. If they want to beat Al Shabaab and end insecurity in the country, they have to stop the corruption. The Brits managed to beat off revolts in their empire when they found that their enemies would account for each and every donation to the last cent and did not misappropriate anything.

I read a story of how Communist rebels fighting with Castro were so scrupulous that they reported if a coin dropped and was lost in the clamour or battle. You know the terrorists who flew planes in the WTC (what Hubris calls controlled demolition) kept strict accounts and posted the change back to Saudi Arabia!

Are you going to fight such people when corrupt? You can only beat them with equal dedication.
I have met clones of hubris who believe W himself was on one of the planes and can be seen parachuting off at the last minute.

As for Al Shabaab.  It's just too easy to fight an enemy that will sell his mother for a ham sandwich.  Corruption is a greater danger than the deranged pro-Al-Shabaab sheiks.

Unfortunately no withdrawal from Somalia is happening.  Too much money for matumbo generals.
"I freed a thousand slaves.  I could have freed a thousand more if only they knew they were slaves."

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