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Re: Gout and HK - Moses is coming for your business of portable spirits
« Reply #1 on: June 14, 2023, 02:59:51 PM »
We are likely to see more of these Kikuyu supremacists destructive ego trips to nowhere. I am yet to understand the results of this war on alcohol. Waking up to suspend, ban and destroy businesses when government has been licensing these investments is madness. Seems even Hasora government parasites do not understand pain of running businesses in Kenya. 

Why not have regulations requiring potable spirits to lower alcohol content to 12-15 as Keroche has been doing with Vienna? Nurture the local manufacturers instead of running around begging mwarabu and mzungu to come extract from Kenya.   

Seems once Hasla stalled fight against dynasties and their wealth likes of Kuria and Gachaguas have gone on overdrive to create extortion loopholes and alcohol seems to be easy spot made sweeter by morals. I am very wary when government that is struggling in key fronts of education, health, security and infrastructure takes the moralising path like mwarabu crazies.

We keep singing value addition yet we have killed ethanol production through crazy taxes and power costs. Kebs and KRA thugs own the smuggling cartel from Tanzania and Uganda. Koko has tried promoting cooking ethanol and seems taxes are killing it.
 
There is no talk of unemployment and underemployment. Just myths about the nostalgic glory days of 70s are just created by the kikuyu supremacists who took Jomo as god.  Jiggers were all over. People had no shoes. Majority of the 70s adult are illiterate.

People neglected coffee for avocadoes for a reason and not alcohol. There was no coffee boom for majority. They never appreciate that coffee production peaked during Moi 1988/89 at 130,000MTs and 199/2000 at 100,000 MTs. With Kibaki and ufool we are at 40,000. Just keep wailing how Moi destroyed coffee industry while passing Ugandan coffee as Kenyan since Chepkube days.

The Gachaguas and Kuria need to internalise that Central Kenya's productivity has maxed. In the final years of ufool projects worth around 200 billion were done are ongoing and the returns are nowhere.

These supremacists are biggest impediment to investments where there are low hanging fruits across the country which would absorb the kikuyu youths. If you throw 200 billion in the North, that will be magic. Already the counties have transformed dusty outposts into towns in 10 years as kikuyu supremacists shout Eastleigh. 
Government, even in its best state, is but a necessary evil; in its worst state, an intolerable one ~ Thomas Paine

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Re: Gout and HK - Moses is coming for your business of portable spirits
« Reply #2 on: June 14, 2023, 03:39:37 PM »
Nowayah wont like that.
Yes the judiciary might be only saviour from such kneejerk actions.
Good thing - Ruto is keen to obey court orders.
I would advise folks to run to court.

Anyway I am all for sorting alcohol problem - but lets have intellectual debate - 11% might be good option - and also promoting muratina is great

We are likely to see more of these Kikuyu supremacists destructive ego trips to nowhere. I am yet to understand the results of this war on alcohol. Waking up to suspend, ban and destroy businesses when government has been licensing these investments is madness. Seems even Hasora government parasites do not understand pain of running businesses in Kenya. 

Why not have regulations requiring potable spirits to lower alcohol content to 12-15 as Keroche has been doing with Vienna? Nurture the local manufacturers instead of running around begging mwarabu and mzungu to come extract from Kenya.   

Seems once Hasla stalled fight against dynasties and their wealth likes of Kuria and Gachaguas have gone on overdrive to create extortion loopholes and alcohol seems to be easy spot made sweeter by morals. I am very wary when government that is struggling in key fronts of education, health, security and infrastructure takes the moralising path like mwarabu crazies.

We keep singing value addition yet we have killed ethanol production through crazy taxes and power costs. Kebs and KRA thugs own the smuggling cartel from Tanzania and Uganda. Koko has tried promoting cooking ethanol and seems taxes are killing it.
 
There is no talk of unemployment and underemployment. Just myths about the nostalgic glory days of 70s are just created by the kikuyu supremacists who took Jomo as god.  Jiggers were all over. People had no shoes. Majority of the 70s adult are illiterate.

People neglected coffee for avocadoes for a reason and not alcohol. There was no coffee boom for majority. They never appreciate that coffee production peaked during Moi 1988/89 at 130,000MTs and 199/2000 at 100,000 MTs. With Kibaki and ufool we are at 40,000. Just keep wailing how Moi destroyed coffee industry while passing Ugandan coffee as Kenyan since Chepkube days.

The Gachaguas and Kuria need to internalise that Central Kenya's productivity has maxed. In the final years of ufool projects worth around 200 billion were done are ongoing and the returns are nowhere.

These supremacists are biggest impediment to investments where there are low hanging fruits across the country which would absorb the kikuyu youths. If you throw 200 billion in the North, that will be magic. Already the counties have transformed dusty outposts into towns in 10 years as kikuyu supremacists shout Eastleigh. 

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Re: Gout and HK - Moses is coming for your business of portable spirits
« Reply #3 on: June 14, 2023, 04:16:47 PM »
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The Gachaguas and Kuria need to internalise that Central Kenya's productivity has maxed.

Why is this?

People here have suggested making it easier for these brewers to manufacture "cleaner" alcohol, but I don't think many have the funds to start companies like keroche.

Maybe micro-breweries, which you see now everywhere in the west? but even those require quite a bit of funding and kenya as a country seems to be incapable of regulating much (look at the poisonous sugar, maize flour, etc)

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Re: Gout and HK - Moses is coming for your business of portable spirits
« Reply #4 on: June 14, 2023, 04:42:53 PM »
The region has received bulk of investments since colonial days and now is sliding into poverty and apathy despite least population growth.

Time to invest in schools, universities, dams, forestation, housing, hospitals in other regions especially the North.

While we are crying on poor prices of coffee, maize and sugar, a kilo of quality beef/lamb is at least 600 yet we have never made any meaningful investment into pastoralism in NEP.  We continue throwing billions of taxes into coffee, maize and sugar yet productivity and returns remain questionable. 

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The Gachaguas and Kuria need to internalise that Central Kenya's productivity has maxed.

Why is this?

People here have suggested making it easier for these brewers to manufacture "cleaner" alcohol, but I don't think many have the funds to start companies like keroche.

Maybe micro-breweries, which you see now everywhere in the west? but even those require quite a bit of funding and kenya as a country seems to be incapable of regulating much (look at the poisonous sugar, maize flour, etc)
Government, even in its best state, is but a necessary evil; in its worst state, an intolerable one ~ Thomas Paine

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Re: Gout and HK - Moses is coming for your business of portable spirits
« Reply #5 on: June 14, 2023, 05:29:22 PM »
Mwafrika government officials willingly neglect primary duties and then go for simplistic lazy paths in total disregard of investments thus poisoning the business operating environment. All they do is create avenues for extortions and bribes further eroding investor confidence. Then it becomes a moral issue. Then law and order. Then more extortions and zero convictions or fines to the illegal manufacturers.

What we have are our hasora kinda micro brewers but they have being hanged as illicit brewers. They operate in unhygienic conditions due to extortions and the extra judicial powers of provincial administration/police.

Investors are guaranteed of returns as alcohol has unsatisfied demand thus good margins. The govt parasites and the social hate is also guaranteed.

People here have suggested making it easier for these brewers to manufacture "cleaner" alcohol, but I don't think many have the funds to start companies like keroche.

Maybe micro-breweries, which you see now everywhere in the west? but even those require quite a bit of funding and kenya as a country seems to be incapable of regulating much (look at the poisonous sugar, maize flour, etc)
Government, even in its best state, is but a necessary evil; in its worst state, an intolerable one ~ Thomas Paine

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Re: Gout and HK - Moses is coming for your business of portable spirits
« Reply #6 on: June 14, 2023, 05:29:47 PM »
Kadogo economy  or packaging goods into affordable sizes is due to low incomes. Will kuria also ban tots? All kenyan distillers from UDV(kbl) to patiala all use ethanol. Its cost prohibitive to distill and still market product at  a price hasoras can afford.
Pundit(not in ethanol mass market business).

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Re: Gout and HK - Moses is coming for your business of portable spirits
« Reply #7 on: June 14, 2023, 05:35:54 PM »
I agree with you more than 100%.

The battle against illegal achohol is hypocrytical. Will lead only to more underground production. Controled production should be the main issue here. Alcohol consumption like prosituition can never be eliminated. That is mission impossible. Arap Moi tried it and failed miserably. The many drunkards in Kenya just mean people are bored and have nothing to loose. They need perpestives for the future. Nothing worse than being a young able man with no prospects in sight. Only leads to crime or alcohol.

We are likely to see more of these Kikuyu supremacists destructive ego trips to nowhere. I am yet to understand the results of this war on alcohol. Waking up to suspend, ban and destroy businesses when government has been licensing these investments is madness. Seems even Hasora government parasites do not understand pain of running businesses in Kenya. 

Why not have regulations requiring potable spirits to lower alcohol content to 12-15 as Keroche has been doing with Vienna? Nurture the local manufacturers instead of running around begging mwarabu and mzungu to come extract from Kenya.   

Seems once Hasla stalled fight against dynasties and their wealth likes of Kuria and Gachaguas have gone on overdrive to create extortion loopholes and alcohol seems to be easy spot made sweeter by morals. I am very wary when government that is struggling in key fronts of education, health, security and infrastructure takes the moralising path like mwarabu crazies.

We keep singing value addition yet we have killed ethanol production through crazy taxes and power costs. Kebs and KRA thugs own the smuggling cartel from Tanzania and Uganda. Koko has tried promoting cooking ethanol and seems taxes are killing it.
 
There is no talk of unemployment and underemployment. Just myths about the nostalgic glory days of 70s are just created by the kikuyu supremacists who took Jomo as god.  Jiggers were all over. People had no shoes. Majority of the 70s adult are illiterate.

People neglected coffee for avocadoes for a reason and not alcohol. There was no coffee boom for majority. They never appreciate that coffee production peaked during Moi 1988/89 at 130,000MTs and 199/2000 at 100,000 MTs. With Kibaki and ufool we are at 40,000. Just keep wailing how Moi destroyed coffee industry while passing Ugandan coffee as Kenyan since Chepkube days.

The Gachaguas and Kuria need to internalise that Central Kenya's productivity has maxed. In the final years of ufool projects worth around 200 billion were done are ongoing and the returns are nowhere.

These supremacists are biggest impediment to investments where there are low hanging fruits across the country which would absorb the kikuyu youths. If you throw 200 billion in the North, that will be magic. Already the counties have transformed dusty outposts into towns in 10 years as kikuyu supremacists shout Eastleigh.