Plato,Have a question on IQ of Kenyan communities,help.

[Njuri Ncheke]

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...now generally,so that I cut long stories short, My interactions with Somalis and Boranas in institution like Banking, IT, engineering especially where critical thinking is required my observations are that they really fall short case examples
"I go to bank find a somali official there I ask for some processing of transactions normally this just take 5 minutes with his other colleagues. Down 5 minutes I look up to him I can see he is struggling I keep quiet he tells me system down,I ask him down he says yes? He lives his table go ask for support brings in a very young girl she nods that he calls someone else nothing sorted i leave empty handed.
After a few hours I come back to see if system is resolved I get a young lady looks lie toto so I assume she is a Kalenjin She takes my ID starts processing again system down she is pissed tells me wait on as she meticulously works on her computer then tells me phew done!I ask her what she done she tells me how she hot spot from he job mobile and other stuff I tell her during morning hours i found a Somali guy there but wasn't able to do the same,She smiles and from her wily smile I can make out many things.
In short Plato have seen somalis lack critical thinking when it comes to solving problems they seem not entirely able to think out of the box in my many interactions with them, they are good at straight forward things but not the irregular thinking that happens when an irregular problem arises,I can give many examples but have used the above latest one.
So my question Plato in USA do Somalis thrive in critical thinking sectors where you are confronted with dynamic changing problems that need some deep thinking? So even checked the IQ Of countries and Somalia is down bottom.

[RV Pundit]

Child malnutrition affects brain development. Most somalis were born in tough times. They make it up by being very trustworthy and brave risk takers.

...now generally,so that I cut long stories short, My interactions with Somalis and Boranas in institution like Banking, IT, engineering especially where critical thinking is required my observations are that they really fall short case examples
"I go to bank find a somali official there I ask for some processing of transactions normally this just take 5 minutes with his other colleagues. Down 5 minutes I look up to him I can see he is struggling I keep quiet he tells me system down,I ask him down he says yes? He lives his table go ask for support brings in a very young girl she nods that he calls someone else nothing sorted i leave empty handed.
After a few hours I come back to see if system is resolved I get a young lady looks lie toto so I assume she is a Kalenjin She takes my ID starts processing again system down she is pissed tells me wait on as she meticulously works on her computer then tells me phew done!I ask her what she done she tells me how she hot spot from he job mobile and other stuff I tell her during morning hours i found a Somali guy there but wasn't able to do the same,She smiles and from her wily smile I can make out many things.
In short Plato have seen somalis lack critical thinking when it comes to solving problems they seem not entirely able to think out of the box in my many interactions with them, they are good at straight forward things but not the irregular thinking that happens when an irregular problem arises,I can give many examples but have used the above latest one.
So my question Plato in USA do Somalis thrive in critical thinking sectors where you are confronted with dynamic changing problems that need some deep thinking? So even checked the IQ Of countries and Somalia is down bottom.

[Njuri Ncheke]

Interesting point, I actually tried hard not to post this cause of fear will be labelled a somali hater but that recent issue had me fed up, But there should be another factor I would guess and that's why am asking for Somalis in UK Or US where they grew up well.
 I tend to believe there is a deeper inherent thing going on here, IQ manenos are not simply nutrition look at North Korea the most malnutrition country kids even have stunted growth but IQ wise they are among top 3 best in the world.
https://skeptics.stackexchange.com/questions/16039/does-north-korea-have-the-third-highest-iq

[Njuri Ncheke]

Malnutrition in North Korea
https://www.wfp.org/countries/democratic-peoples-republic-korea#:~:text=An%20estimated%2010.7%20million%20people,in%20the%20World%20Report%202022.

[KenyanPlato]

I am not very familiar with Somalis. I do know that they could have serious mental growth issues due to lack of proper nutrition. when I was growing up a kikuyu baby would have a very high protein diet orders from local clinics. it was simple diet of eggs, beef stew and soup. this was reviewed at every milestone visit at the local dispensary. Vitamins supplements and other supplements were given when kids were seen to lack certain minerals.
I can imagine how limited this type of nutrition can be for the poor Somalis. also, Somalis have a cultural problem of being insular and thinking in a group. Mix this with Islam and yo ugot a group that can be very hard to adopt. I think Somalis have a hard time integrating due to this. even in nairobi you're them confined in certain estates.
I wouldn't want to be a Somali especially if I was a female. however, they are very funny and are naturally good comedians.
technology is about thinking outside the box and it could be a generational thing. young people are more versatile in its use and adoption to solve day to day issues

[RV Pundit]

Its hard to know anything north korea but general asian have higher IQ - malnutrition is responsible for certain amount of mental stunting - genetics others.

Interesting point, I actually tried hard not to post this cause of fear will be labelled a somali hater but that recent issue had me fed up, But there should be another factor I would guess and that's why am asking for Somalis in UK Or US where they grew up well.
 I tend to believe there is a deeper inherent thing going on here, IQ manenos are not simply nutrition look at North Korea the most malnutrition country kids even have stunted growth but IQ wise they are among top 3 best in the world.
https://skeptics.stackexchange.com/questions/16039/does-north-korea-have-the-third-highest-iq

[Kim Jong-Un's Pajama Pants]

...now generally,so that I cut long stories short, My interactions with Somalis and Boranas in institution like Banking, IT, engineering especially where critical thinking is required my observations are that they really fall short case examples
"I go to bank find a somali official there I ask for some processing of transactions normally this just take 5 minutes with his other colleagues. Down 5 minutes I look up to him I can see he is struggling I keep quiet he tells me system down,I ask him down he says yes? He lives his table go ask for support brings in a very young girl she nods that he calls someone else nothing sorted i leave empty handed.
After a few hours I come back to see if system is resolved I get a young lady looks lie toto so I assume she is a Kalenjin She takes my ID starts processing again system down she is pissed tells me wait on as she meticulously works on her computer then tells me phew done!I ask her what she done she tells me how she hot spot from he job mobile and other stuff I tell her during morning hours i found a Somali guy there but wasn't able to do the same,She smiles and from her wily smile I can make out many things.
In short Plato have seen somalis lack critical thinking when it comes to solving problems they seem not entirely able to think out of the box in my many interactions with them, they are good at straight forward things but not the irregular thinking that happens when an irregular problem arises,I can give many examples but have used the above latest one.
So my question Plato in USA do Somalis thrive in critical thinking sectors where you are confronted with dynamic changing problems that need some deep thinking? So even checked the IQ Of countries and Somalia is down bottom.

It's down to culture.  It's not just Somalis, but black people who generally don't gravitate or show curiosity about certain subjects.  You go to a mzungu house, they typically would have a relative or two who is very into things "technical" just for the heck of it.  On the other extreme, it's rare to find a book(any subject outside of history opression) in an African American home.  This is just my personal experience.

[lelewela]

Somalis, Turkana, and most Northern people have a low  IQ and quick tempered, but are more honest and trust worthy than their well fed Bantu brethren. Lack of proper nutrition at early age is the key factor. Njuri you have seen most of the pastoral communities around Isiolo (Samburu, Somali,Turkana) do eat Posho with little milk from age 2 till 20 , in East Africa I think Somalia has the lowest IQ.

...now generally,so that I cut long stories short, My interactions with Somalis and Boranas in institution like Banking, IT, engineering especially where critical thinking is required my observations are that they really fall short case examples
"I go to bank find a somali official there I ask for some processing of transactions normally this just take 5 minutes with his other colleagues. Down 5 minutes I look up to him I can see he is struggling I keep quiet he tells me system down,I ask him down he says yes? He lives his table go ask for support brings in a very young girl she nods that he calls someone else nothing sorted i leave empty handed.
After a few hours I come back to see if system is resolved I get a young lady looks lie toto so I assume she is a Kalenjin She takes my ID starts processing again system down she is pissed tells me wait on as she meticulously works on her computer then tells me phew done!I ask her what she done she tells me how she hot spot from he job mobile and other stuff I tell her during morning hours i found a Somali guy there but wasn't able to do the same,She smiles and from her wily smile I can make out many things.
In short Plato have seen somalis lack critical thinking when it comes to solving problems they seem not entirely able to think out of the box in my many interactions with them, they are good at straight forward things but not the irregular thinking that happens when an irregular problem arises,I can give many examples but have used the above latest one.
So my question Plato in USA do Somalis thrive in critical thinking sectors where you are confronted with dynamic changing problems that need some deep thinking? So even checked the IQ Of countries and Somalia is down bottom.

[KenyanPlato]

...now generally,so that I cut long stories short, My interactions with Somalis and Boranas in institution like Banking, IT, engineering especially where critical thinking is required my observations are that they really fall short case examples
"I go to bank find a somali official there I ask for some processing of transactions normally this just take 5 minutes with his other colleagues. Down 5 minutes I look up to him I can see he is struggling I keep quiet he tells me system down,I ask him down he says yes? He lives his table go ask for support brings in a very young girl she nods that he calls someone else nothing sorted i leave empty handed.
After a few hours I come back to see if system is resolved I get a young lady looks lie toto so I assume she is a Kalenjin She takes my ID starts processing again system down she is pissed tells me wait on as she meticulously works on her computer then tells me phew done!I ask her what she done she tells me how she hot spot from he job mobile and other stuff I tell her during morning hours i found a Somali guy there but wasn't able to do the same,She smiles and from her wily smile I can make out many things.
In short Plato have seen somalis lack critical thinking when it comes to solving problems they seem not entirely able to think out of the box in my many interactions with them, they are good at straight forward things but not the irregular thinking that happens when an irregular problem arises,I can give many examples but have used the above latest one.
So my question Plato in USA do Somalis thrive in critical thinking sectors where you are confronted with dynamic changing problems that need some deep thinking? So even checked the IQ Of countries and Somalia is down bottom.

It's down to culture.  It's not just Somalis, but black people who generally don't gravitate or show curiosity about certain subjects.  You go to a mzungu house, they typically would have a relative or two who is very into things "technical" just for the heck of it.  On the other extreme, it's rare to find a book(any subject outside of history opression) in an African American home.  This is just my personal experience.

you must be hanging with wrong African Americans. I have met people with all type of interests. a small number of human beings are curious. most of the people want literally to get 3 meals and watch idiot box then their life is complete.

[Kim Jong-Un's Pajama Pants]

...now generally,so that I cut long stories short, My interactions with Somalis and Boranas in institution like Banking, IT, engineering especially where critical thinking is required my observations are that they really fall short case examples
"I go to bank find a somali official there I ask for some processing of transactions normally this just take 5 minutes with his other colleagues. Down 5 minutes I look up to him I can see he is struggling I keep quiet he tells me system down,I ask him down he says yes? He lives his table go ask for support brings in a very young girl she nods that he calls someone else nothing sorted i leave empty handed.
After a few hours I come back to see if system is resolved I get a young lady looks lie toto so I assume she is a Kalenjin She takes my ID starts processing again system down she is pissed tells me wait on as she meticulously works on her computer then tells me phew done!I ask her what she done she tells me how she hot spot from he job mobile and other stuff I tell her during morning hours i found a Somali guy there but wasn't able to do the same,She smiles and from her wily smile I can make out many things.
In short Plato have seen somalis lack critical thinking when it comes to solving problems they seem not entirely able to think out of the box in my many interactions with them, they are good at straight forward things but not the irregular thinking that happens when an irregular problem arises,I can give many examples but have used the above latest one.
So my question Plato in USA do Somalis thrive in critical thinking sectors where you are confronted with dynamic changing problems that need some deep thinking? So even checked the IQ Of countries and Somalia is down bottom.

It's down to culture.  It's not just Somalis, but black people who generally don't gravitate or show curiosity about certain subjects.  You go to a mzungu house, they typically would have a relative or two who is very into things "technical" just for the heck of it.  On the other extreme, it's rare to find a book(any subject outside of history opression) in an African American home.  This is just my personal experience.

you must be hanging with wrong African Americans. I have met people with all type of interests. a small number of human beings are curious. most of the people want literally to get 3 meals and watch idiot box then their life is complete.

That is the experience I personally have.  And no, they are not "wrong" by any other measure.  Blacks are underrepresented(not absent) in most STEM fields.

[Njuri Ncheke]

Somalis, Turkana, and most Northern people have a low  IQ and quick tempered, but are more honest and trust worthy than their well fed Bantu brethren. Lack of proper nutrition at early age is the key factor. Njuri you have seen most of the pastoral communities around Isiolo (Samburu, Somali,Turkana) do eat Posho with little milk from age 2 till 20 , in East Africa I think Somalia has the lowest IQ.

...now generally,so that I cut long stories short, My interactions with Somalis and Boranas in institution like Banking, IT, engineering especially where critical thinking is required my observations are that they really fall short case examples
"I go to bank find a somali official there I ask for some processing of transactions normally this just take 5 minutes with his other colleagues. Down 5 minutes I look up to him I can see he is struggling I keep quiet he tells me system down,I ask him down he says yes? He lives his table go ask for support brings in a very young girl she nods that he calls someone else nothing sorted i leave empty handed.
After a few hours I come back to see if system is resolved I get a young lady looks lie toto so I assume she is a Kalenjin She takes my ID starts processing again system down she is pissed tells me wait on as she meticulously works on her computer then tells me phew done!I ask her what she done she tells me how she hot spot from he job mobile and other stuff I tell her during morning hours i found a Somali guy there but wasn't able to do the same,She smiles and from her wily smile I can make out many things.
In short Plato have seen somalis lack critical thinking when it comes to solving problems they seem not entirely able to think out of the box in my many interactions with them, they are good at straight forward things but not the irregular thinking that happens when an irregular problem arises,I can give many examples but have used the above latest one.
So my question Plato in USA do Somalis thrive in critical thinking sectors where you are confronted with dynamic changing problems that need some deep thinking? So even checked the IQ Of countries and Somalia is down bottom.

Yes you are right, But Samburus used to have a very good diet some many years back but now due too overpulation and climate change they are also falling back on malnutrition, I would say same is happening to Merus on the periphery, But whats  mind boggling is the food diversity has greatly increased from 20 years ago but somehow people in Kenya don't seem to be able to catch up with the trends. For example cerelac sachets just cost 25 shillings this can be used to supplement on baby food as they are well balanced but you will see parents in those rural areas cant buy that and opt for just maize meal and some poor milk. I tend to think our nutrition problem is brought on by ourselves we have failed to embrace food diversity whether GMO or otherwise.

[KenyanPlato]

public Health is where this gap can be bridged. that why local Healthcare centers need proper funding for such interventions. illiteracy plus poverty can lead to very poor decisions. the only remedy is to bring in public health to fix this. these communities can be taught how to raise chickens. A chicken can fix most of the nutrition deficiency especially protein deficiency. also require manufacturers to fortify Unga and other cereals with necessary nutrients

by the way now that I think of it. rarely do you see chickens in asal regions

[RV Pundit]

Pastoralist don't eat chicken or fish. Growing up my grandfather use to call it birds and refused to eat them. Fish was a big taboo in many families..it was equated to snakes...and people couldnt wrap around their smell.

Pastoralists have no problem with animal proteins - they take lots of milk on daily basis - that is why they are tall and have strong.
bones.

"Varying protein intake is known to influence human height growth"

The problem for pastoralist getting them carbs, vegetable and critically minerals.
The problem for bantus is get more animal protein - beans do the job but is not as good as animal proteins.

I remember seeing something like iodine affect brain dev the most. So table salts is required a lot

"Iodine is required for the synthesis of thyroid hormones. These hormones, in turn, are required for brain development, which occurs during fetal and early postnatal life."

public Health is where this gap can be bridged. that why local Healthcare centers need proper funding for such interventions. illiteracy plus poverty can lead to very poor decisions. the only remedy is to bring in public health to fix this. these communities can be taught how to raise chickens. A chicken can fix most of the nutrition deficiency especially protein deficiency. also require manufacturers to fortify Unga and other cereals with necessary nutrients

by the way now that I think of it. rarely do you see chickens in asal regions

[gout]

Made worse by adverse effects of violence on development cognitive abilities. At home, clans, interclans-

Child malnutrition affects brain development. Most somalis were born in tough times. They make it up by being very trustworthy and brave risk takers.

[Njuri Ncheke]

Made worse by adverse effects of violence on development cognitive abilities. At home, clans, interclans-

Child malnutrition affects brain development. Most somalis were born in tough times. They make it up by being very trustworthy and brave risk takers.

I think we have narrowed down to the main causes I wasn't satisfied with malnutrition alone so this actually makes sense alot,I don't know if it applies for Kenyans Somalis who never encountered any such? Very confusing......

[KenyanPlato]

Made worse by adverse effects of violence on development cognitive abilities. At home, clans, interclans-

Child malnutrition affects brain development. Most somalis were born in tough times. They make it up by being very trustworthy and brave risk takers.

I think we have narrowed down to the main causes I wasn't satisfied with malnutrition alone so this actually makes sense alot,I don't know if it applies for Kenyans Somalis who never encountered any such? Very confusing......

violence causes trauma that makes our body produce hormones that are passed to babies. you see this clearly in oppressed groups. Slavery and genocide of native Americans has left a lot of damage to the descendants of these groups both physically and mentally